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Old 10-07-2008, 12:52 PM  
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How could anyone believe that Herm Edwards can deliver a Superbowl to KC?
I don't mean to come off as a troll - at least not in this thread. But this question confounds me, especially in light of the fact that there seem to be quite a few Herm defenders here (Hermines? srsly). What exactly has Herm demonstrated in his career that could lead anybody to believe that he's capable of running the kind of organization that can win a Championship? The guy seems like he would be a FANTASTIC defensive coordinator to me. But I just don't understand what he's ever done to make anyone believe that he can maintain a consistent football team, let alone navigate the playoffs and deliver a championship.
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Old 10-08-2008, 10:47 AM   #91
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As plenty of people have already explained, we don't mind losing. But losing while making ABSOLUTELY NO PROGRESS WHATSOEVER?

Unacceptable.
You are the biggest flip-floper here. It was less than a month ago when you were flashing your Hermines sig.
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Old 10-08-2008, 10:50 AM   #92
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You are the biggest flip-floper here. It was less than a month ago when you were flashing your Hermines sig.
Yes. I reached my breaking point. Enough was enough.
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Old 10-08-2008, 11:08 AM   #93
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You must be trolling TJ. If you have been around here at all for the last month, you would have noticed that Herm has worn out his welcome and the only way he will take a team to the SB is if he buys their airfare, hotel and tickets to watch the game.
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Old 10-08-2008, 11:17 AM   #94
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The case is not that difficult to make. His resume is similar to Belichick's before he got Brady, and to Tony Dungy's before he got Peyton Manning. Look it up. Both of those coaches showed they were very good in Tampa and Cleveland (considering the talent they had), but people were too stupid to notice it.

And no one was making the case for either of those 2 to make a Super Bowl either. In fact, many many many people said that they could not win a Super Bowl because of their approach on offense (Dungy) or their lack of ability to motivate players (Belichick).
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Old 10-08-2008, 01:47 PM   #95
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This is just Taco's "I told you so" thread.
I did tell you so... But I was more looking to get a finger on the pulse of Chiefs fans here to learn whether or not he had any fan support whatsoever. It appears it's completely evaporated...

...which makes me wonder about the locker room. I wonder what guys like Tony and LJ are thinking when they suit up before a game. I wonder what the young players are experiencing. I wonder if Herm can hold onto a job all season long if he's a lame duck by October.

I think that it's dangerous to put young players through a lame duck season. If Herm is going to be fired at the end of the season, there is no reason he shouldn't be canned now, and Gunther promoted to interim HC. At the very least, you know that Gunther will kick some asses and get people's attention. But maybe his check has been cashed to (so to speak), and he no longer has credit with the players.

It's a tough situation, but in my estimation, something should be done sooner rather than later if it's going to be done at all. If Herm isn't fired by mid-November, then my hunch is that Carl is receiving no pressure at the top to do it - and thus, you're looking at another season of Herm's plan.

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All the young players have bought into Herm's bullshit, Taco.

The veterans, not so much.

Based on what I've heard recently, I'm not sure if Herm is going to be fired.

The whole franchise is in a cluster**** at the moment. Too many egos unwilling to take responsibility for their epic failures.

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Old 10-08-2008, 02:05 PM   #97
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My theory has been that one of the reasons Hermoine decided to can key veterans (Trent Green) was precisely because they weren't buying his bull. It makes sense that LJ stuck around ... he got a whole lot of money and Herm's a black coach (LJ's on the record as saying that white coaches don't understand guys like him), but Gonzo is a different deal - I guess he wanted to stick because he wants to retire a Chief. Either that, or it's true that he didn't really realize when he re-signed how this whole "rebuild" thing was going to go down. Really, our only other veteran is Waters and he's a good soldier, it appears.

The troubling thing about this is that our young players have now been infected by deadly, career-jeopardizing Herms. When God smiles on the franchise at long last and we finally get a new HC, he'll basically have to start all over with a lot of these guys because they'll be all messed up.

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Old 10-08-2008, 02:19 PM   #98
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Our punter is pretty good.

He was before he came down with a limp, anyway.

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Old 10-08-2008, 02:54 PM   #100
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I did tell you so... But I was more looking to get a finger on the pulse of Chiefs fans here to learn whether or not he had any fan support whatsoever. It appears it's completely evaporated...

...which makes me wonder about the locker room. I wonder what guys like Tony and LJ are thinking when they suit up before a game. I wonder what the young players are experiencing. I wonder if Herm can hold onto a job all season long if he's a lame duck by October.

I think that it's dangerous to put young players through a lame duck season. If Herm is going to be fired at the end of the season, there is no reason he shouldn't be canned now, and Gunther promoted to interim HC. At the very least, you know that Gunther will kick some asses and get people's attention. But maybe his check has been cashed to (so to speak), and he no longer has credit with the players.

It's a tough situation, but in my estimation, something should be done sooner rather than later if it's going to be done at all. If Herm isn't fired by mid-November, then my hunch is that Carl is receiving no pressure at the top to do it - and thus, you're looking at another season of Herm's plan.

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Yeah, Gunther kicks asses and demands attention.

You apparently haven't watched out defensive unit very much, have you?
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No, I think Taco has a point. It was more like 50/50. There were lots of people willing to give Herm a chance, and even more who were willing to give him a chance after his first season, even despite the playoff game. A lot of people blamed that on the players.

Taco never for once had an ounce of respect for Herm Edwards.
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Look what happened when Herm brought his Jets into Arrowhead ! I remember that game, what an ass kicking we gave old Herm and his sad sack team. But boy did NYJ and Herm get the last laugh......

The only positive thing Herm supporters have left is Herm is supposedly a "good draft guy".

Carl Peterson has been such a TERRIBLE DRAFTER that it makes Herm "appear" to be a good drafter.

In reality Herm is average draft analyzer at best. A monkey would've known to take Dorsey, and where the hell is our QBOTF if Herm is some drafting guru ?

Give me a break. Analyze this ol' see er of see ers, if your O-line is young and inexperienced should you not have a hearty and hard to break QB behind them ? Oh, that's where the unsinkable Croyle comes in, I forgot Herm....
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The best thing Herm's provided this team is the 2008 draft. and it looks like he might not develop those guys appropriately.

The guy can only win with his plan if all players play perfectly and everything goes exactly by the book. He gets killed by other coaches and teams with more creativity.
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The best thing Herm's provided this team is the 2008 draft. and it looks like he might not develop those guys appropriately.

The guy can only win with his plan if all players play perfectly and everything goes exactly by the book. He gets killed by other coaches and teams with more creativity.
If you can't develop your draft picks you are in a "hamster wheel" situation.

Moving forward but not going anywhere....
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