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Old 09-15-2024, 07:15 PM  
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Are we worried about our offense?
Being only marginally better than last season? Worthy likely has a higher ceiling and more potential than Hardman but he is unlikely, at least for now, to be a 6-8 target a game guy as an option on the majority of passing plays. Rice is better than Rice last season so that's good. Kelce is probably worst though.

But mostly what I’m fearful about is that losing Brown is going to be a major impediment to the offense being noticeably better than last season. He was likely big in our schemes and philosophy. I know we typically struggle vs the Bengals but as of right now I'm not sure what would make me confident we dramatically improve over last season.

What does everyone think? How can we ensure the significant improvement over last season that it seems we might need?
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Old 09-16-2024, 06:27 AM   #91
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But it can’t be lost that we’re still missing a big piece. We need to get worthy to Mvs levels real quick. Until then we’re kind of the same as last year except rice is better and kelce is worse. And we have a better version of hardman but no Mvs. If we can get worthy to be Mvs and hardman to be hardman, that at least gets us to last year. But worthy also needs to be better than a guy who was cut because he wasn’t consistent enough

I think we will be a bit better because Rice is better than he was last season, but we ultimately won’t be much different than last season. And with the defense being worst, which I think most expected given how dominant they were last season, I don’t think just being a bit better than last season will ultimately be enough. We were really counting on being a more dynamic, explosive offense that attacked all levels and areas of the field consistently to offset the defense but with LT being a concern and Brown out, we are essentially forced to return to last season’s style of not really being able to dictate much on offense.

The only real change at skill positions that could occur is Worthy taking a huge step. Outside of that I don’t see where they can substantially improve over last season. Last season it basically never got better with yards or points, we just stopped letting bad players completely ruin things. Obviously with Mahomes he can make anything work but that doesn’t mean the offense doesn’t warrant concern.
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Old 09-16-2024, 06:28 AM   #92
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The Bengals run a scheme that seems to frustrate the Chiefs offense. It looked like the same type of defense that frustrated them in the 2021 AFC Championship game. Rushing four and dropping seven. The Chiefs being in the shotgun really limits the run game and the delay runs just seem to allow the Bengals linebackers to recognize and crash down.

The turnovers are concerning and the lack of the midrange routes is puzzling. While we aren't discussing the defense, opposing tight ends are destroying this team.

It's great to be 2-0, this team is an inch and a flag away from being 0-2. While I don't care that fans believe the Chiefs are the next Patriots as far as flags go, something needs to be done with the zebras because they are really bad. But having a true stretch the field option opens up the offense just enough and Mvs actually got a huge target share most times we played cincy.

Oh yeah, LT is a problem. Not giving him help is a worse problem.
As much as I’m glad to get rid of Mvs (nobody could have anticipated Hollywood missing the season), his role is important vs cincy. It was the one matchup where he excelled just because of how cincy plays us. I know it sounds counterintuitive because of how cincy plays us.
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Old 09-16-2024, 06:30 AM   #93
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As bad as this game was at times, KC is still fourth in scoring.
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Old 09-16-2024, 06:35 AM   #94
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I think we will be a bit better because Rice is better than he was last season, but we ultimately won’t be much different than last season. And with the defense being worst, which I think most expected given how dominant they were last season, I don’t think just being a bit better than last season will ultimately be enough. We were really counting on being a more dynamic, explosive offense that attacked all levels and areas of the field consistently to offset the defense but with LT being a concern and Brown out, we are essentially forced to return to last season’s style of not really being able to dictate much on offense.

The only real change at skill positions that could occur is Worthy taking a huge step. Outside of that I don’t see where they can substantially improve over last season. Last season it basically never got better with yards or points, we just stopped letting bad players completely ruin things. Obviously with Mahomes he can make anything work but that doesn’t mean the offense doesn’t warrant concern.
I agree. And we will make less mistakes so mahomes will trust his guys more. We are good enough to slog it out. But it’s gonna be effective but ugly until worthy is able to win downfield. He’s doing exceptionally well as mecole hardman horizontally but he needs a bit of work going vertical. Maybe some plus matchups will help.
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I think we will be a bit better because Rice is better than he was last season, but we ultimately won’t be much different than last season. And with the defense being worst, which I think most expected given how dominant they were last season, I don’t think just being a bit better than last season will ultimately be enough. We were really counting on being a more dynamic, explosive offense that attacked all levels and areas of the field consistently to offset the defense but with LT being a concern and Brown out, we are essentially forced to return to last season’s style of not really being able to dictate much on offense.

The only real change at skill positions that could occur is Worthy taking a huge step. Outside of that I don’t see where they can substantially improve over last season. Last season it basically never got better with yards or points, we just stopped letting bad players completely ruin things. Obviously with Mahomes he can make anything work but that doesn’t mean the offense doesn’t warrant concern.
It blows my mind how we can see numerous times how dangerous Rice is on quick slants and then the next game we don't run one at all. Or if they're playing cover two the whole game, we don't have a play or two of just worthy running down the seam and throwing up a deep ball to him.

There's a lot of things scheme wise and play calling wise that should be easily fixable and would make the offense better but honestly I don't know if we'll see them. Reid and Nagy are so set in their ways and have had so much success with them, I don't think they're going to change unless something is completely broken.
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I'd guess teams are just sitting in "cover 2 or 2 man under" the whole game.
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As bad as this game was at times, KC is still fourth in scoring.
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I'd guess teams are just sitting in "cover 2 or 2 man under" the whole game.
Yup. You can chip away at it with rushing and patience, but you can't blow the top off of it.
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No. Not like other teams should be worrying.

We are still 3 weeks ahead of those that did not play during the preseason.
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It blows my mind how we can see numerous times how dangerous Rice is on quick slants and then the next game we don't run one at all. Or if they're playing cover two the whole game, we don't have a play or two of just worthy running down the seam and throwing up a deep ball to him.

There's a lot of things scheme wise and play calling wise that should be easily fixable and would make the offense better but honestly I don't know if we'll see them. Reid and Nagy are so set in their ways and have had so much success with them, I don't think they're going to change unless something is completely broken.
Sorry bad pun here.

Pacheco's leg. So who knows what can happen now. time to adapt.
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No targets to Gray or Wiley yesterday.

This offense used to be so good at getting multiple TE's involved and now they have the depth to do that again... hopefully that will emerge over the course of this season.
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Old 09-16-2024, 08:18 AM   #102
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Just the LT spot
Yeah I can't deny that I also am super worried about this.

Regular season we can get by, but if we get this type of play from our LT in the playoffs it's big trouble.
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The Chiefs offense is one of the few functioning offenses in the league that's watchable. Outside of a few, it's a terrible unentertaining endeavor.
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Correction, Wiley did have one target/catch yesterday for 7 yards.
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It sounds so dumb, but maybe Andy is playing 5D chess with these other AFC Contenders. Only playing vanilla, never pulling out anything that can be studied on tape, until we get to the playoffs and everything changes.

We also could just be calling really shitty games on offense lol.
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