Royals 2012 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 696

**alnorth** · 10:54 PM

2012 Slogan: Our Time

A better, more accurate 2012 Slogan: It is Finally Next Year
(from Great Expectations)

An alternative slogan if you don't like that one: Someone has to win this crappy division
(from alnorth)

With the beginning of a new year, it is time for the 2012 version of the Royals Repository Thread. We've got Hosmer, we've got a 2011-dominating Gordon, we've got Moose, we've got hopefully a killer bullpen, we've got a stereotypical slow slugging DH, we've got easily one of the best defensive shortstops in the AL, we've got a promising catcher in Salvador Perez. Hell, we've got offense and promising prospects galore.

We do not have starting pitching.

Oh yeah, we've also got this:

Get ready for, (as of January 2012 anyway), one of the most confusing puzzles of a baseball season in recent Royals history. Will they suck? Maybe, I don't know. Will we be given a year of 0.500 baseball? Possibly, I don't know. Will they win the division and go to the playoffs for the first time in 27 years? For the first time in a long time, it could happen, I don't know. 92 losses, 92 wins, or anything in between would not surprise a lot of us.

Everything goes here except Gameday threads and really big news. If a giant story breaks, the Royals achieve some awesome milestone, or we sign/lose a highly significant player/coach/mascot/whatever, then it might also deserve its own thread. This being Chiefs Planet, please do not clutter the board with new threads about trivial Royals news or you will only annoy those who come here for just Chiefs football. If you aren't sure and its not a Gameday thread, it goes here.

What sort of stuff often goes here? SPchief explained it well, so I'll just copy that:

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If you locate something of interest.. ANYTHING.. deals on apparel, best ways in/out of the stadium, giveaways, great stories from this season or from seasons gone by, rumors, trades, anything.... feel free to post it here.

Prison Bitch · 12-10-2012, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Strongside

This fanbase kills me. We beg for these things, and then they happen and we're pissed.

We weren't begging for this trade. What's your point again?

Ceej · 12-10-2012, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

Interesting note -

Jayson Stark said Myers is the only player in MLB to have won Minor League Player of the Year, but never played for the big league club he was with.

If by interesting you mean depressing I agree.

**Reaper16** · 12-10-2012, 12:26 PM

In lieu of typing out a redundant screed, I'll just say that I'm also of the mind that the 2013 Royals have to win the division once in the next two years or DM must be fired. He ought to be fired if they don't earn a playoff spot in each of the next two years, probably.

**SAUTO** · 12-10-2012, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by stevenidol

Listen to Kevin Keitzman or visit any Royals story on KC Star's site and read fan posts.

oh you are going off what a bunch of mentally ill people think...gotcha

Prison Bitch · 12-10-2012, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I think you guys are nuts. Look, we got 2 proven Major league pitchers, one a bona fide staff ace. We gave up two minor league prospects that may or may not pan out at the ML level.

The Royals are literally a competitive ballclub RIGHT NOW. THIS MINUTE.

How so? We won 72 games last year. Shields had a 2.2 WAR. That implies we are now what, 75 wins? Davis was a 1.0 WAR player. So now 76 wins. That's not even close to competitive. We are worse than Detroit at almost every position on the 25-man roster.

**alnorth** · 12-10-2012, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

This is complete bullshit. I'm not giving the Royals a participation ribbon in '13.

The trade was made to win now, and that's what I expect: winning a division now. Not getting to .500. Not getting close to Detroit. I expect to win something tangible and meaningful, and the barometer of this is a divisional championship.

There will be plenty of others who will go out of their way to defend and excuse our moronic GM.

You are going on record as saying winning 87 games and losing to Detroit by a single game would be enough to fire DM, but winning 89 games and the division by a single game is not.

Got it. You are friggin' nuts.

stevenidol · 12-10-2012, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

You are going on record as saying winning 87 games and losing to Detroit by a single game would be enough to fire DM, but winning 89 games and the division by a single game is not.

Got it. You are friggin' nutz.

Gotta have the Z buddy.

Prison Bitch · 12-10-2012, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by stevenidol

Well thought out.

Thanks. I like posts that act like they're an expert on Myers' "flaws" when he just won MiLB player of the year, and has a near uniform acceptance among scouts that he'll be a major league regular. Your "holes in his swing" nonsense is laughable given that he didn't even strike out much his first couple years in the minors anyway.

Mr. Laz · 12-10-2012, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

In lieu of typing out a redundant screed, I'll just say that I'm also of the mind that the 2013 Royals have to win the division once in the next two years or DM must be fired. He ought to be fired if they don't earn a playoff spot in each of the next two years, probably.

Don't you have to win the division to get a playoff spot?

Wildcard is not usually coming from Central

Aren't the wildcard records usually better than the winner of the Central?

**DeezNutz** · 12-10-2012, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

Got it. You are friggin' nuts.

By this logic, you'll make sure that DM's stay clean.

"At least we were close! Fun season!"

stevenidol · 12-10-2012, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Thanks. I like posts that act like they're an expert on Myers' "flaws" when he just won MiLB player of the year, and has a near uniform acceptance among scouts that he'll be a major league regular. Your "holes in his swing" nonsense is laughable given that he didn't even strike out much his first couple years in the minors anyway.

I didn't act like an expert, it's just an opinion. Arguments for or against the trade are all valid, because no one knows the future. It's ok to disagree, the world won't end.

Myers had 522 ABs and 140 Ks last year between AA/AAA, that is significant. If you want to look past that or act like it doesn't matter, that is ok, however I think it means something.

mr. tegu · 12-10-2012, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

Don't you have to win the division to get a playoff spot?

Wildcard is not usually coming from Central

Aren't the wildcard records usually better than the winner of the Central?

Usually, but the Rays seem slightly worse than last year and the Orioles will regress this season. The Yankees and Red Sox are not as dominant as years past. The AL West will probably be pretty tough though, but they tend to beat up on each other a lot.

stevenidol · 12-10-2012, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Usually, but the Rays seem slightly worse than last year and the Orioles will regress this season. The Yankees and Red Sox are not as dominant as years past. The AL West will probably be pretty tough though, but they tend to beat up on each other a lot.

The AL West has the Astros to beat on now though.

Prison Bitch · 12-10-2012, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by stevenidol

I didn't act like an expert, it's just an opinion. Arguments for or against the trade are all valid, because no one knows the future. It's ok to disagree, the world won't end.

Myers had 522 ABs and 140 Ks last year between AA/AAA, that is significant. If you want to look past that or act like it doesn't matter, that is ok, however I think it means something.

He did K a lot but he also cracked 37 HR and hit over .300. So...that comes with the territory. He K 20% of the time which is about the same as Alex Gordon's 19% rate his only year in the minors (.290-29-100 for Wichita when he too won MiLB player of the year)

Gordon Ks a lot in the bigs and I'm sure Myers would too. So what? Gordon was about the 9th most valuable player in the entire AL this year overall.

Great Expectations · 12-10-2012, 12:49 PM

I don't think I'm doing this right, or WAR for pitchers is useless. It looks like Hochevar had a 1.5 WAR last year. http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...943&position=P

And Shields has a 4.3 WAR. Hochevar was 8-16 in 32 starts last year; I think it is reasonable to think that Shields will be better than 11-13 with the Royals if he makes 32 starts and that the Royals will have a better chance to win in the 8 no decision starts that he makes.

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Great Expectations MVP Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Joplin, MO Casino cash: $10892338	I don't think I'm doing this right, or WAR for pitchers is useless. It looks like Hochevar had a 1.5 WAR last year. http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...943&position=P And Shields has a 4.3 WAR. Hochevar was 8-16 in 32 starts last year; I think it is reasonable to think that Shields will be better than 11-13 with the Royals if he makes 32 starts and that the Royals will have a better chance to win in the 8 no decision starts that he makes. __________________
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