New Conference re-alignment thread

[Saulbadguy]

The old one has AIDS.

Anyways, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com reports OU may apply to the Pac-12 by the end of the month.

Oklahoma will apply for membership to the Pac-12 before the end of the month, and Oklahoma State is expected to follow suit, a source close to OU's administration told Orangebloods.com.

Even though Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday the Pac-12 was not interested in expansion at this time, OU's board of regents is fed up with the instability in the Big 12, the source said.

The OU board of regents will meet within two weeks to formalize plans to apply for membership to the Pac-12, the source said.

Messages left Sunday night with OU athletic director Joe Castiglione and Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder were not immediately returned.

If OU follows through with what appears to be a unanimous sentiment on the seven-member Oklahoma board of regents to leave the Big 12, realignment in college athletics could be heating back up. OU's application would be matched by an application from Oklahoma State, the source said, even though OSU president Burns Hargis and mega-booster Boone Pickens both voiced their support for the Big 12 last Thursday.

There is differing sentiment about if the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors are ready to expand again after bringing in Colorado and Utah last year and landing $3 billion TV contracts from Fox and ESPN. Colorado president Bruce Benson told reporters last week CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12.

Currently, there are north and south divisions in the Pac-12. If OU and OSU were to join, Larry Scott would have to get creative.

Scott's orginal plan last summer was to bring in Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and put them in an eastern division with Arizona and Arizona State. The old Pac-8 schools (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) were to be in the west division.

Colorado made the move in June 2010, but when Texas A&M was not on board to go west, the Big 12 came back together with the help of its television partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox).

If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were accepted into the Pac-12, there would undoubtedly be a hope by Larry Scott that Texas would join the league. But Texas sources have indicated UT is determined to hang onto the Longhorn Network, which would not be permissible in the Pac-12 in its current form.

Texas sources continue to indicate to Orangebloods.com that if the Big 12 falls apart, the Longhorns would consider "all options."

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call 10 days ago with league presidents excluding Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M and asked the other league presidents to "work on Texas" because Beebe didn't think the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma without Texas.

Now, it appears OU is willing to take its chances with the Pac-12 with or without Texas.

There seemed to be a temporary pause in any possible shifting of the college athletics' landscape when Baylor led a charge to tie up Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference in legal red tape. BU refused to waive its right to sue the SEC over A&M's departure from the Big 12, and the SEC said it would not admit Texas A&M until it had been cleared of any potential lawsuits.

Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State have indicated they will not waive their right to sue the SEC.

It's unclear if an application by OU to the Pac-12 would draw the same threats of litigation against the Pac-12 from those Big 12 schools.

Stay tuned.

[ArrowheadHawk]

I believe they gave up tier 3 to espn+ with the newest deal.

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[KingPriest2]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Not the Arizona Board of Regents meeting. You are thinking of the Pac12 one headed by George Kliavkoff

No I said specially said Az Board of Regrnts on a Thursday

[KingPriest2]

Originally Posted by KingPriest2

Oregon and Washington are contacting the Bug 12 as we speak

Arizona board of regents are meeting early next week.

Big 10’ is sleeping in expansion

If the B12 picks up these 3 school. They are accross 4 time zones. The control the Pacific time one along with the B10.

Sone are saying if they pick up these 3. The. Football quality they pass the B10 Revenue not as much.

ASU I’m hearing B12 should not go after They’re more concerned about bring a hockey program and over valued as a program

Pac 12 is dead

Here you go BWillie

[displacedinMN]

Originally Posted by BWillie

B1G = $80M+ per school
SEC = $70M
B12 = $31.6M
ACC = $30.6M
P12 = $20.9M estimated (down $9M from current contract)

That is the baseline payouts by conference. Big 12 distributed $44M to its schools last year. Projecting $50M+ under the new deal. Big 12 schools retain Tier 3 rights as well. WVU, as an example receives about $7M via those media and advertising rights in ADDITION to the Tier 1 and Tier 2 rights. Not sure why that is never mentioned in these payout articles.

https://www.si.com/college/oklahoma/...20the%20league

And yet, Notre Dame wants to be an independent in football

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by displacedinMN

And yet, Notre Dame wants to be an independent in football

Will be interesting to see what NBC offers them when their TV deal expires after next season.

That could force them into the Big 10.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by displacedinMN

And yet, Notre Dame wants to be an independent in football

Notre Dame makes 22 million all by themselves just for football plus there cut from the ACC.

[FloridaMan88]

“Welcome to the Big 10”, should be NBC’s response to Notre Dame…

Link: https://frontofficesports.com/notre-...other%20sports.

Notre Dame will be seeking to triple its football rights fees to $65 million to $75 million annually during its next cycle of media negotiations, sources told Front Office Sports. But if the Fighting Irish want that kind of money, they might have to give up their cherished independence — and finally join a power conference.

The Big Ten’s new mid-$7 billion, seven-year deal with NBC, Fox Sports, and CBS Sports will eventually dish out up to $90 million to schools like Ohio State and Michigan. That gives them a big financial advantage over the Irish.

[Hoover]

I think Oregon and Washington still end up in the Big Ten. Notes Dame has always been the natural fit. And they eventually will get there not because of the money but because of the schedule. These super conferences are not going to let ND play five games against their conference. Never going to happen.

So with the Big Ten what’s interesting is what do you pair with ND when they enter. Stanford? Or do they look for something out east?

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by KingPriest2

Here you go BWillie

Seems I was misinformed then by Jason Sheer...some Wildcat Authority writer

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

This would be why.

Details on potential media deal for P12.
20M per school and mostly streaming.
Not ideal https://t.co/KPe4tBIW3R

— Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) July 31, 2023

That's pathetic.

Big12 coming out of realignment looking pretty damn good.

[FloridaMan88]

Initial reports from the Pac 12's meeting today are that an actual/tangible/CONFIRMED new media rights deal still was not presented.

Instead some sort of tentative frame work for an all streaming deal was presented, where the annual payout to member schools would be heavily dependent on the # of streaming subscribers.

Good luck trying to get enough streaming subscribers to watch the Pac 9 + mid major additions which would be needed to get anywhere close to the annual payout per school with the Big 12's media rights deal.

Time to go to the Big 12, Arizona.

[sedated]

All streaming?

Only the NFL knows that fans will flock to buy whatever stream they are on that day. Just ask the MLB what lack of "cable" access does to a fanbase.

[ForeverIowan]

Originally Posted by Hoover

I think Oregon and Washington still end up in the Big Ten. Notes Dame has always been the natural fit. And they eventually will get there not because of the money but because of the schedule. These super conferences are not going to let ND play five games against their conference. Never going to happen.

So with the Big Ten what’s interesting is what do you pair with ND when they enter. Stanford? Or do they look for something out east?

Why aren't the super conferences going to schedule games with Notre Dame? Follow the money. If scheduling games with Notre Dame means more money (and it does) it is going to happen. You think the Big Ten is going to tell ND to go F themselves and pretty much hand deliver them to the SEC? Or vice versa? I can guarantee you the new look Big 12 would KILL to have some sort of arrangement with Notre Dame playing 3 or 4 Big 12 teams a year on a rotating basis.

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by BWillie

B1G = $80M+ per school
SEC = $70M
B12 = $31.6M
ACC = $30.6M
P12 = $20.9M estimated (down $9M from current contract)

That is the baseline payouts by conference. Big 12 distributed $44M to its schools last year. Projecting $50M+ under the new deal. Big 12 schools retain Tier 3 rights as well. WVU, as an example receives about $7M via those media and advertising rights in ADDITION to the Tier 1 and Tier 2 rights. Not sure why that is never mentioned in these payout articles.

https://www.si.com/college/oklahoma/...20the%20league

There’s no T3 rights for the Big12 anymore(when the new contract starts). I think some ESPN+ is just tied into the T1/T2. ESPN gets more football, Fox gets more basketball.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Initial reports from the Pac 12's meeting today are that an actual/tangible/CONFIRMED new media rights deal still was not presented.

Instead some sort of tentative frame work for an all streaming deal was presented, where the annual payout to member schools would be heavily dependent on the # of streaming subscribers.

Good luck trying to get enough streaming subscribers to watch the Pac 9 + mid major additions which would be needed to get anywhere close to the annual payout per school with the Big 12's media rights deal.

Time to go to the Big 12, Arizona.

Yeah, it's not a great option for them. People who don't have a really GOOD option, end up presenting multiple mediocre options.

Not very good for Pac 12.