2018 Free Agents

[Couch-Potato]

Who are you letting walk/cutting/retiring?

http://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2018/...8-free-agents/


Who are you targeting?

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nf...t-tracker?pg=1

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, I get it.

But it's the same thing Dorsey did with these guys to cause the cap to be what it is now and the Chiefs to have to cut guys like they have.

It's not ideal. You don't know what your roster needs will be next year and if you have money tied up it gets tough.

AKA, this offseason.

That's not entirely true...Dorsey had a lot of inherited veteran players needing to get paid. Houston, Charles, Hali and DJ...while having a real QB contract to account for...

Berry is signed...so who else is due for a major contract?

[O.city]

It's definitely a cause for concern that a guy that young is already having scopes and surgeries.

Especially when discussing long term deals.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

That's not entirely true...Dorsey had a lot of inherited veteran players needing to get paid. Houston, Charles, Hali and DJ...while having a real QB contract to account for...

Berry is signed...so who else is due for a major contract?

He kicked the can down the road on alot of deals and now the CHiefs are paying for it. They need to stop doing that.

Hali and DJ were already paid and obviously with hindsight, should have been walked away from instead of paying more for. Houston and Berry were the 2 contracts that were the issue.

Not many of the big deals he gave out worked out very well. Alex is probably the best one and saying that probably wont go over well here.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by O.city

He kicked the can down the road on alot of deals and now the CHiefs are paying for it. They need to stop doing that.

Hali and DJ were already paid and obviously with hindsight, should have been walked away from instead of paying more for. Houston and Berry were the 2 contracts that were the issue.

Not many of the big deals he gave out worked out very well. Alex is probably the best one and saying that probably wont go over well here.

They dont have anyone, now...they are kicking down the road except Houston....and they get out of it in 2 years...right about the time Hill/Hunt need extensions...

I was against the Berry deal...from a pragmatic standpoint as was Dorsey. Now KC has a $13 million dollar safety with a bum Achilles...he lasted all of 3 quarters of football after getting signed. He is a hero in Chiefland...but not a very good investment.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Justin Houston had a serious knee injury which his ACL was “loose” which needed more than a year long treatment and rehab.

Chris Jones MCL injury is a 2 month long recovery. It’s nowhere near as serious.

Guys have scopes and minor surgeries all the time in the NFL. It’s serious long term injuries like ACL/MCL/PCL (Parker Ehinger), Achilles (Eric Berry) and back (Dontari Poe) that should worry you. Those are serious long term rehab injuries.

FFS dude Chris Jones was already running a month after his surgery.

players at 22/23 years old in their 2nd and 3rd year of their NFL career having knee surgeries is not something that happens "all the time" in the NFL.

[kccrow]

I absolutely believed KC should have given Houston the big deal he received. He was only 26 with no real injury history and was the best all-around 3-4 OLB in the NFL. You give that contract to that level of player every single time expecting he will continue that for at least the next 5 seasons.

The contracts I didn't agree with were DJ, Hali, and Berry. DJ was losing a step when he got his last contract extension. Hali lost a step before he got his. Berry was more of a money issue after the previous two dipshit moves than it was anything. However, he had already missed significant portions of 2 seasons and he received a contract as the best safety in the league while several other safeties in the league were outplaying him. I get his leadership, but he's now missed 3 seasons of his 7.

There's a fine line between paying for what a guy has done and what he will do in the future. I'd rather the Chiefs pay back-ended deals to guys with potential that they can get out of than to hand older players their final paydays.

[Buckweath]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

They dont have anyone, now...they are kicking down the road except Houston....and they get out of it in 2 years...right about the time Hill/Hunt need extensions...

I was against the Berry deal...from a pragmatic standpoint as was Dorsey. Now KC has a $13 million dollar safety with a bum Achilles...he lasted all of 3 quarters of football after getting signed. He is a hero in Chiefland...but not a very good investment.

I hated the Berry deal too but if we wanted to keep him, there was no way around paying him that much. I mean it seemed like Dorsey was trying hard to sign him for less that $13M per season but Berry wouldn't budge at all.

Houston was overpaid too but it was always to be if you signed the guy after a 22 sack season. I think tagging him would have been the best thing and then giving him the contract the following year.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I absolutely believed KC should have given Houston the big deal he received. He was only 26 with no real injury history and was the best all-around 3-4 OLB in the NFL. You give that contract to that level of player every single time expecting he will continue that for at least the next 5 seasons.

The contracts I didn't agree with were DJ, Hali, and Berry. DJ was losing a step when he got his last contract extension. Hali lost a step before he got his. Berry was more of a money issue after the previous two dipshit moves than it was anything. However, he had already missed significant portions of 2 seasons and he received a contract as the best safety in the league while several other safeties in the league were outplaying him. I get his leadership, but he's now missed 3 seasons of his 7.

There's a fine line between paying for what a guy has done and what he will do in the future. I'd rather the Chiefs pay back-ended deals to guys with potential that they can get out of than to hand older players their final paydays.

We should have given Berry and Houston their deals before they actually got them. Only thing I reject about the situations.

Nothing they had to prove, but Dorsey was careless.

[Chief Northman]

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[RealSNR]

Not sure how or why Houston is being brought up as this glorious example of being cautious with extensions when it comes to players with an injury history. Houston didn't really have one to speak of before his extension.

The horrific injury that has sidelined him for the better part of 1.5 years can't be chalked up or even correlated to any kind of injury history. And you can say all you want that he's not at all the same player that he once was, but that's only because in the one full season in which he was mostly healthy, Bob ****ing Sutton let the opposing offenses dictate when Houston would rush or when he would drop into coverage.

Was he worth the contract he signed? Of course ****ing not. But if you're going to claim that we should have seen it coming, that's kind of bullshit. Sure, you can claim $100 million wasn't right because he just wasn't going to ever replicate 22 sacks again, but the injury he had was not predictable.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Not sure how or why Houston is being brought up as this glorious example of being cautious with extensions when it comes to players with an injury history. Houston didn't really have one to speak of before his extension.

The horrific injury that has sidelined him for the better part of 1.5 years can't be chalked up or even correlated to any kind of injury history. And you can say all you want that he's not at all the same player that he once was, but that's only because in the one full season in which he was mostly healthy, Bob ****ing Sutton let the opposing offenses dictate when Houston would rush or when he would drop into coverage.

Was he worth the contract he signed? Of course ****ing not. But if you're going to claim that we should have seen it coming, that's kind of bullshit. Sure, you can claim $100 million wasn't right because he just wasn't going to ever replicate 22 sacks again, but the injury he had was not predictable.

thats not at all what the claim was so you wrote a big giant paragraph for nothing

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

thats not at all what the claim was so you wrote a big giant paragraph for nothing

Okay.

Originally Posted by mcaj22

Injuries happen is exactly how they got into the situation they are in with Justin Houston

So are you suggesting that the Chiefs should just never extend any superstar player who will need that much money because injuries happen? I guess I don't really see your point if you're not using Justin Houston as a cautionary tale.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Okay.



So are you suggesting that the Chiefs should just never extend any superstar player who will need that much money because injuries happen? I guess I don't really see your point if you're not using Justin Houston as a cautionary tale.

I am suggesting the Chiefs should use caution when extending Chris Jones or signing Kyle Fuller to 10+ million. Citing Houston and Berry pre-injury isn't the example (though there is an argument for Berry) but citing their injuries during the life of their long term extension is, as the Chiefs are now stuck with them and their contracts provide zero flexibility. I get it they didn't have a choice but for players with injury flags they DO have a choice before giving them 10+ per over 4 or 5 years.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

players at 22/23 years old in their 2nd and 3rd year of their NFL career having knee surgeries is not something that happens "all the time" in the NFL.

Reggie Ragland
Parker Ehinger
Carson Wentz
DeShaun Watson
Jack Mewhort
Allen Robinson
Teddy Bridgewater
Travis Kelce
Dalvin Cook

That’s off the top of my head. Lot more Knee injuries are happening these days, and yes even in college.

I don’t care about this injury unless Jones doesn’t look the same or continues to have injuries every year.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Reggie Ragland
Parker Ehinger
Carson Wentz
DeShaun Watson
Jack Mewhort
Allen Robinson
Teddy Bridgewater
Travis Kelce
Dalvin Cook

That’s off the top of my head. Lot more Knee injuries are happening these days, and yes even in college.

I don’t care about this injury unless Jones doesn’t look the same or continues to have injuries every year.

now how many of them had injuries in back 2 back offseasons like Jones.