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Old 07-16-2019, 05:54 PM  
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The various movies obviously deserve their own threads once things actually start moving on them, but it seems like we should have a place just for general discussion about what they're planning. So here ya go.
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Old 03-21-2024, 03:43 PM   #1021
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It is a terrible allegory for racism that falls apart when you think about it for two seconds. Mutants are actually dangerous and deadly. Fear of them is understandable. Fear of other races is silly. It is just different skin color. It is not like Whites can shoot fire or Asians control lightning.
But the parallels are still there. It's not about the inherent danger. It's about a hatred/anger towards a group of people just because of the way they were born.

Magnetos belief of superiority isn't any better than the humans who are anti mutant because the false belief is that all of the opposite group are inherently bad.
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Old 03-21-2024, 04:04 PM   #1022
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It is a terrible allegory for racism that falls apart when you think about it for two seconds. Mutants are actually dangerous and deadly. Fear of them is understandable. Fear of other races is silly. It is just different skin color. It is not like Whites can shoot fire or Asians control lightning.
We’re talking about a fictional universe where people can shoot laser beams from their eyes and you want a 1:1 analogy lol

In any case, chitown hit the nail on the head. You underestimate the mental gymnastics an oppressor group will make to justify dehumanizing another. Racists don’t believe the only difference is skin color.
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Old 03-21-2024, 04:09 PM   #1023
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And LOL at the dude who was crying about the Jan 6th reference the other day.

This was the most X-Menny X-Men episode that ever X-Menned. I wouldn’t even have linked it to Jan 6th because shit like that’s been happening in this franchise for decades now.

I think homeboy was there at the Capitol on Jan 6th That’s the only explanation as to why you’d be butthurt about that
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Old 03-21-2024, 04:25 PM   #1024
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But the parallels are still there. It's not about the inherent danger. It's about a hatred/anger towards a group of people just because of the way they were born.

Magnetos belief of superiority isn't any better than the humans who are anti mutant because the false belief is that all of the opposite group are inherently bad.
I know that. But it is still hard to buy as a great parallel when mutants do possess otherworldly powers that are a grave danger. And it never fit well in the general Marvel universe. The Avengers are praised and admired yet mutants are reviled.

It is certainly no Edmund Spenser allegory.
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I still think it circles back to the idea that bigotry isn’t reasonable.

At the same time, mutants are a little different. They carry the X-gene and will presumably replace humans. Kind of touches on xenophobia and the Great Replacement Theory.

There aren’t enough cosmic storms or radioactive spiders to cause mutate numbers to rival the general population, but the X-gene is spreading like wildfire. That makes people nervous.
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Old 03-27-2024, 04:34 PM   #1026
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I still think it circles back to the idea that bigotry isn’t reasonable.

At the same time, mutants are a little different. They carry the X-gene and will presumably replace humans. Kind of touches on xenophobia and the Great Replacement Theory.

There aren’t enough cosmic storms or radioactive spiders to cause mutate numbers to rival the general population, but the X-gene is spreading like wildfire. That makes people nervous.
I agree with your first sentence.

Well, that isn't really a theory but becoming a reality.

Fair enough. It still clashes to me when the Avengers are seen as heroes in the same universe when mutants are reviled but that is comic books for you.

I suppose it was my same issue with Bewitched and Zootopia. Minority groups have seen themselves in the witches on Bewitched. But those witches had immense power and were terrifying, even if it was a silly comedy. It would make sense to fear them. I enjoyed Zootopia but the movie wanted the audience to think it was foolish bigotry and a phobia for the prey to fear feral predators. Even though, the prey had no defense against them.

I am not advocating for blind fear but if a sizeable minority in a group is vicious then it becomes precaution. Like the M&M experiment says, would you slip your hand into a bowl of candy if 5% were poisonous?

Maybe I overthink allegories.
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Was this thread we were debating ****, marry, kill between the big 3? Cause after seeing evil Jean I.. uh.. might want to change my answer.
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And this is why there is a hostile takeover be worked at Disney... jfc.

I am not signed up for X so I can't see comments anymore. I would love to hear what people are saying.
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And this is why there is a hostile takeover be worked at Disney... jfc.

I am not signed up for X so I can't see comments anymore. I would love to hear what people are saying.
Well I have bad news. The vote failed big time to allow for people more concerned about entertaining and less about messages. No coincidence after that failed that this nugget dropped.
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There was precedent in the comics with Jane Foster becoming Mighty Thor, but this? This is just gender swapping for the sake of doing it. Surfer is one of Marvel's favorite cosmic characters, and here we go again with studio execs, far removed from what the fans love or want, pulling this shit for DEI/Alphabet People points, I guess? Why else would they do this? And I guess there just won't be a Norrin Radd in the MCU, or will he be Shalla-Bal's love interest (it'll be a chick, just watch) that she can never go back to see because she's the herald of Galactus?

When did it become fashionable for movie studios to just set money on fire, anyway? ****ing hell, lol.

And I LIKE Julia Garner, but not in a role that should never have been created in the first place. Christ on a stick.
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Let her play Frankie Raye - Nova. That'd be perfectly fine. That'd allow Surfer to actually roam free in the MCU universe and still give Galactus a herald.

I'm just screaming into the MCU void at this point, lol.
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