Chiefs The fate of Chris Jones 2023 edition - Page 68

**TribalElder** · 07-22-2023, 06:08 PM

Appears the Chiefs and Chris Jones are at the beginning of a contract dispute

Speculation has been that the two sides are "far apart" on a deal

So Chiefs Planet.... how do we think this will play out (poll coming)

Will the Chiefs pay up and meet Chris Jones demands? If so, how much will it end up costing?

Will the Chiefs not be able to meet Chris Jones demands and end up trading him? If so, what kind of haul can we expect?

I've really loved watching Chris Jones wreck shit for the Chiefs, it always sucks when the business side of the NFL forces teams into tough decisions.

-King- · 08-09-2023, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

we can't win a superbowl without chris jones

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Originally Posted by O.city

The Chiefs need him to win a SB this year.

Could they win it without him? Sure.

Is it alot harder? Yes.

THat's what I'm arguing. Taking Chris JOnes off this defense makes it alot harder for everyone else in the front 7.

Again, if you're in the belief that our Superbowl chances don't change with or without him, then you shouldn't want to re-sign him at all. Should have traded him earlier in the off-season and got cheaper/younger since apparently, whoever is playing that position doesn't change the teams outcome at all.

Skyy God · 08-09-2023, 11:36 AM

Would you rather have the following:

1) A possibly disgruntled and more injury prone (due to his holdout and resulting lack of camp reps) Chris Jones and $.5M in cap space or

2) Several premium picks, maybe a developmental player back, and $12M in cap space, with which the Chiefs could sign Dunlap (like 1/$4M), a vet DT for like $3M, and $5M more in case of an in-season injury. Plus flip CEH or a pick for a developmental 3-tech.

Im in the second camp at this point.

-King- · 08-09-2023, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Skyy God

Would you rather have the following:

1) A malcontent (and probably more injury prone due to his holdout) Jones and $.5M in cap space or

2) Picks, $12Min cap space, with which you could use to sign Dunlap (like 1/$4M), a vet DT for like $3M, and $5M more in case of an in-season injury.

Im in the second camp at this point.

Malcontent

And I'll take the elite DT who was the best at his position last year and is the heart beat and energy of the defense.

Chief Pagan · 08-09-2023, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Jones will sign a deal in the range between Donald and the second highest paid DT. That’s what he’s said all along. These things take time and this is all posturing. He’s not going to sit out regular season games and I couldn’t care less about him being at camp or playing in the PS.

That result benefits both sides.

Yes, these things take time but will work out. Just like Hill and Orlando Brown contract took time to work themselves out because both sides were just posturing and of course wanted to get a fair deal done to stay on a SB contender.

TwistedChief · 08-09-2023, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

we can't win a superbowl without chris jones

If Kelce went down with a torn Achilles next week, I'd comfortably argue we're not going to win a Super Bowl this season.

That doesn't mean that Kelce is as important as Mahomes.

Y'all are being disingenuous by equating the 2 things.

DRM08 · 08-09-2023, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

The Bengals don't have a single all-pro on their defense and yet there they are still one of the best. I'd imagine losing Chris would put us in a similar situation.

The Chiefs defense has solid talent everywhere and finally at DL.

For years the Chiefs put limited talent next to Chris. Frank Clark apparently sucks, Alex Okafor wasn't good, Melvin Ingram and Terrell Suggs were old. Hell Kpass and Speaks didn't cut it all all. I like Mike Danna but he is a great off the bench role player but not a true starter.

The Chiefs didn't truly invest in the DL until recently. That's a big reason why it was "Chris Jones is all we have!"....well he kinda was.

Bengals have the best DC in the league. They do a good job finding guys for cheap that seem to get the job done within Lou's scheme. Cincy has not given up more than 24 points in any playoff game the last 2 seasons. The Chiefs defense (with Jones) gave up 36 to Buffalo and 35 to Philly.

ToxSocks · 08-09-2023, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyy God

Would you rather have the following:

1) A malcontent (and probably more injury prone due to his holdout) Jones and $.5M in cap space or

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Skyy God · 08-09-2023, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief

If Kelce went down with a torn Achilles next week, I'd comfortably argue we're not going to win a Super Bowl this season.

That doesn't mean that Kelce is as important as Mahomes.

Y'all are being disingenuous by equating the 2 things.

Bad juju, yo.

raybec 4 · 08-09-2023, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

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Skyy God · 08-09-2023, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Malcontent

And I'll take the elite DT who was the best at his position last year and is the heart beat and energy of the defense.

I edited my post to more clearly reflect my opinion.

**RealSNR** · 08-09-2023, 12:47 PM

Khalen Saunders got 3 years 12 million from the Saints.

Really wish we could have done that deal right about now. Would have gladly sacrificed signing Tranquil for that

Skyy God · 08-09-2023, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

Khalen Saunders got 3 years 12 million from the Saints.

Really wish we could have done that deal right about now. Would have gladly sacrificed signing Tranquil for that

Hindsight is 50/50.

tredadda · 08-09-2023, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg

So? He got big money to his job and he did it. That's the past.

Correct. Is there any remote possibility that he might in the future impact an important game? Still the most important part of the defense and someone that has to be accounted for. Also he is still not even remotely close to Tyreek.

Saying that he's not a major reason why KC won a SB is silly.

tredadda · 08-09-2023, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyy God

Would you rather have the following:

1) A possibly disgruntled and more injury prone (due to his holdout and resulting lack of camp reps) Chris Jones and $.5M in cap space or

2) Several premium picks, maybe a developmental player back, and $12M in cap space, with which the Chiefs could sign Dunlap (like 1/$4M), a vet DT for like $3M, and $5M more in case of an in-season injury. Plus flip CEH or a pick for a developmental 3-tech.

Im in the second camp at this point.

Lotta holes in argument 2.

1. KC does not appear to want to give Jones what he is asking primarily due to age. You think another team is going to give up premium picks for the right to give him that? I don't. Chicago might have the cap space, but that doesn't mean they want to blow it for the sake of blowing it.

2. Jones is an elite pass rusher at the DT spot. Not many of those in the league at his position. Pass rushers aren't cheap for a reason. You can't just plug and play and replace their production.

3. No one wants CEH and even the dumber GMs know that in all likelihood this is his final season in KC. Why give up anything for him? RBs are already being devalued, so what team does he move the needle for that would be willing to give up a developmental DT for?

Not saying give in to Jones' demands, just I think his value to the defense is more than some might think. Here's hoping the two sides come to a reasonable agreement.

poolboy · 08-09-2023, 01:09 PM

message to Chris, sign the frekin deal
dont squab over a couple million...

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