THE COUNTDOWN to the NFL TRADE DEADLINE THREAD - Tues. Oct. 29th @ 4:00p Eastern Time

[arrowheadnation]

I figured I would create one location to house all of the breaking news, rumors, pessimism, despair, helplessness, frustration, and of course optimism leading up to the 2019 NFL Trade Deadline on:

Tuesday, October 29th @ 4:00p Eastern Time

3 weeks from today! We all have ideas of what the Chiefs need so I won't go into that, but hopefully this day will come and go with better results than last year for us.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

It’s probably a big ask but if your full arsenal of offensive weapons is healthy come playoff time, they’re good enough to get you back to the title game.

An improving defense (which we’ve been seeing) is good enough to win it, IMO.

This season is nothing close to over.

But with every week they're making their slog just a little tougher come January. Combined probability alone says that winning 3 games is a hell of a lot harder than winning 2 and that's probably the best we can hope for at this point. Worse still, higher stress games down the stretch yield MORE injuries at those critical junctions and less of an ability to manage workloads and get guys healthy and/or keep them fresh.

We're using up rope here that we'd sure like to have available in December. The degree of difficulty is getting higher. It's not impossible (nothing is with Mahomes under center) but you hate to see a franchise known for post-season dick-stepping put themselves in a harder position going forward.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The fact that offenses have gotten so good at attacking your weaknesses is exactly why the stars and scrubs model that Veach seems to favor is so flawed.

If you have a weak point on your defense, opponents WILL exploit it. All the money in the world spent on our D-Line doesn't mean shit when you can barbecue our LBs in coverage pretty routinely. And teams won't do it every play or every drive (it isn't Madden), but you KNOW that when they need it, they'll have it.

Give me 3 above average players over 1 'difference maker' and 2 JAGs every time. Especially on defense.

It is more critical than ever that your defense simply be sound across the board than it is that you have stars on it. Without Clark or Jones last week we saw Ogbah and Okafor play better. Saunders has stepped up his game. Go run with simply decent guys at EVERY spot on the field and you'll be in good shape.

But we're playing 9 on 11 on too many plays given the god-awful condition of this linebacker group. Cannot have that.

Look across the league though. It's just damn near impossible to have 11 above average defenders and when you do, it's gonna be extremely short lived because those guys will get overpaid in free agency and leave.

Theoretically, when you've got guys like Khalil Mack or whoever, they can cover some of that stuff by just ****ing shit up.

The Chiefs guys that are supposed to do that, don't or haven't.

I'm all for building a d that is just solid everywhere. But that takes so much luck and I don't know that it's really feasible.

[oldman]

The only off season miss I see this year is with Clark. That may change as the season goes on, but you have to admit he did pretty well in this year's draft and picking up some top-flight backups (Ogbah).

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

This season is nothing close to over.

But with every week they're making their slog just a little tougher come January. Combined probability alone says that winning 3 games is a hell of a lot harder than winning 2 and that's probably the best we can hope for at this point. Worse still, higher stress games down the stretch yield MORE injuries at those critical junctions and less of an ability to manage workloads and get guys healthy and/or keep them fresh.

We're using up rope here that we'd sure like to have available in December. The degree of difficulty is getting higher. It's not impossible (nothing is with Mahomes under center) but you hate to see a franchise known for post-season dick-stepping put themselves in a harder position going forward.

Looking at the schedule, I really see a path to 12 wins. Really, the only 'tough" win you'll have to have is beating either New England or Minny.

Sure, you have to finish 7-1. But you're telling me they shouldn't beat Denver, LACx2, Oakland, Chicago (by then they'll be on Chase Daniel or some other shit bird), and the Titans?

Sure you've had some games they should have won this year, but they should be getting healthy and as you said, with Mahomes and the offense healthy, they should wreck.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by oldman

The only off season miss I see this year is with Clark. That may change as the season goes on, but you have to admit he did pretty well in this year's draft and picking up some top-flight backups (Ogbah).

Okafor's looking pretty not great (by some measures he's been among the worst DEs in the league this year). And Lee, while low cost, seems to have been overly relied upon. He may not have cost much to acquire, but he also seems to have been Veach's answer to the Will position and that's damning in its own way.

And the lack of depth on the OL or serious efforts to replace Morse isn't something you hand-waive either.

Veach had, at best, a middling off-season and because of that he finds his hands largely tied at the deadline, IMO.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The fact that offenses have gotten so good at attacking your weaknesses is exactly why the stars and scrubs model that Veach seems to favor is so flawed.

If you have a weak point on your defense, opponents WILL exploit it. All the money in the world spent on our D-Line doesn't mean shit when you can barbecue our LBs in coverage pretty routinely. And teams won't do it every play or every drive (it isn't Madden), but you KNOW that when they need it, they'll have it.

Give me 3 above average players over 1 'difference maker' and 2 JAGs every time. Especially on defense.

It is more critical than ever that your defense simply be sound across the board than it is that you have stars on it. Without Clark or Jones last week we saw Ogbah and Okafor play better. Saunders has stepped up his game. Go run with simply decent guys at EVERY spot on the field and you'll be in good shape.

But we're playing 9 on 11 on too many plays given the god-awful condition of this linebacker group. Cannot have that.

This is exactly why I think it’s better to trade Chris Jones for a draft pick and use that money on adding more decent players to the defense.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Okafor's looking pretty not great (by some measures he's been among the worst DEs in the league this year). And Lee, while low cost, seems to have been overly relied upon. He may not have cost much to acquire, but he also seems to have been Veach's answer to the Will position and that's damning in its own way.

And the lack of depth on the OL or serious efforts to replace Morse isn't something you hand-waive either.

Veach had, at best, a middling off-season and because of that he finds his hands largely tied at the deadline, IMO.

I just don't know what you could or should have done on the OL. When you have that many guys go down, it just kind of is what it is. Erving has been passable at LT and Rankin has been good at LG.

I'd have liked to have seen them do something at C, but you're gonna have to go cheap and developmental somewhere.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Looking at the schedule, I really see a path to 12 wins. Really, the only 'tough" win you'll have to have is beating either New England or Minny.

Sure, you have to finish 7-1. But you're telling me they shouldn't beat Denver, LACx2, Oakland, Chicago (by then they'll be on Chase Daniel or some other shit bird), and the Titans?

Sure you've had some games they should have won this year, but they should be getting healthy and as you said, with Mahomes and the offense healthy, they should wreck.

And they haven't lost to a bad team yet. Their schedule has been SAVAGE.

But at some point you have to stop making excuses for losing to good teams and !@#$ing start beating them. We heard some of the same stuff last year when we almost beat 4 playoff teams and instead...didn't. Then the same reasons we lost to those teams showed up in the AFCCG.

The time for moral victories is well in our rearview. This is a contender that's 1-3 at home and has clearly definable and exploitable weaknesses. That shit needs to get resolved and the Vikings game is a significant litmus test, IMO.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by arrowheadnation

I've always been in the "go for it" crowd as well....I use the Packers as the #1 reason. They have had a HOF QB every year since the mid 90's and only have 2 Super Bowls to show for it. This tells me you need to strike while the iron is hot.

but that's a LOT of shitty drafting. It doesn't mean you need to go completely the opposite direction.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

This is exactly why I think it’s better to trade Chris Jones for a draft pick and use that money on adding more decent players to the defense.

That's exactly why I didn't want Clark.

I'll take Jones over Clark 10 times out of 10. But with the Clark move, our hands may well be tied and moving Jones may be the only available option.

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

10 #TradeDeadline Predictions..

Melvin Gordon ➡️ Bills
Alex Erickson ➡️ Packers
Eifert ➡️ Seahawks
Mike Gesicki ➡️ Saints
Trent Williams ➡️ Browns
Dalvin Tomlinson ➡️ Chiefs
Vic Beasley ➡️ Raiders
De’Vondre Campbell ➡️ Colts
LeShaun Sims ➡️ Raiders
Chris Harris ➡️ Eagles

— Chad Forbes (@NFLDraftBites) October 29, 2019

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And they haven't lost to a bad team yet. Their schedule has been SAVAGE.

But at some point you have to stop making excuses for losing to good teams and !@#$ing start beating them. We heard some of the same stuff last year when we almost beat 4 playoff teams and instead...didn't. Then the same reasons we lost to those teams showed up in the AFCCG.

The time for moral victories is well in our rearview. This is a contender that's 1-3 at home and has clearly definable and exploitable weaknesses. That shit needs to get resolved.

It's just a different excuse this year. A hurt QB.

The defense has been more than good enough IMO. If you have the offense of the Jags game or even the Ravens game, they win atleast 2 of those.

They're built to be an offensive juggernaut. When they aren't that, they just can't beat good teams. I tend to think that's how most teams are though to. We've seen what happens to the Texans when they can't play the way they are built.

Now you're never gonna be at full strength, I get it. But they just seemed to hit the threshold for injuries about a month ago.

[O.city]

Man I would take Tomlinson.

[DJ's left nut]

Tomlinson would be a nice replacement for Jones going forward. Not nearly the same caliber player but one of those 'solid' and cost-effective replacements we're looking for.

You'd have him for this year and next at a 2nd rounders contract, so a relative pittance. Is that worth a 4th? Probably - he's a nice player. Not sure I'd go beyond that though.

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

.@AdamSchefter on #ESPN: Eagles are "making calls" and have "been trying" to land "top-flight cornerbacks." #TradeDeadline

— Cody Benjamin (@CodyJBenjamin) October 29, 2019