New Conference re-alignment thread

[Saulbadguy]

The old one has AIDS.

Anyways, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com reports OU may apply to the Pac-12 by the end of the month.

Oklahoma will apply for membership to the Pac-12 before the end of the month, and Oklahoma State is expected to follow suit, a source close to OU's administration told Orangebloods.com.

Even though Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday the Pac-12 was not interested in expansion at this time, OU's board of regents is fed up with the instability in the Big 12, the source said.

The OU board of regents will meet within two weeks to formalize plans to apply for membership to the Pac-12, the source said.

Messages left Sunday night with OU athletic director Joe Castiglione and Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder were not immediately returned.

If OU follows through with what appears to be a unanimous sentiment on the seven-member Oklahoma board of regents to leave the Big 12, realignment in college athletics could be heating back up. OU's application would be matched by an application from Oklahoma State, the source said, even though OSU president Burns Hargis and mega-booster Boone Pickens both voiced their support for the Big 12 last Thursday.

There is differing sentiment about if the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors are ready to expand again after bringing in Colorado and Utah last year and landing $3 billion TV contracts from Fox and ESPN. Colorado president Bruce Benson told reporters last week CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12.

Currently, there are north and south divisions in the Pac-12. If OU and OSU were to join, Larry Scott would have to get creative.

Scott's orginal plan last summer was to bring in Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and put them in an eastern division with Arizona and Arizona State. The old Pac-8 schools (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) were to be in the west division.

Colorado made the move in June 2010, but when Texas A&M was not on board to go west, the Big 12 came back together with the help of its television partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox).

If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were accepted into the Pac-12, there would undoubtedly be a hope by Larry Scott that Texas would join the league. But Texas sources have indicated UT is determined to hang onto the Longhorn Network, which would not be permissible in the Pac-12 in its current form.

Texas sources continue to indicate to Orangebloods.com that if the Big 12 falls apart, the Longhorns would consider "all options."

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call 10 days ago with league presidents excluding Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M and asked the other league presidents to "work on Texas" because Beebe didn't think the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma without Texas.

Now, it appears OU is willing to take its chances with the Pac-12 with or without Texas.

There seemed to be a temporary pause in any possible shifting of the college athletics' landscape when Baylor led a charge to tie up Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference in legal red tape. BU refused to waive its right to sue the SEC over A&M's departure from the Big 12, and the SEC said it would not admit Texas A&M until it had been cleared of any potential lawsuits.

Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State have indicated they will not waive their right to sue the SEC.

It's unclear if an application by OU to the Pac-12 would draw the same threats of litigation against the Pac-12 from those Big 12 schools.

Stay tuned.

[Archie Bunker]

Pretty smart actually

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Cocks selling tix at Costco for their red hot SEC! matchups

Interesting. Have not seen this before.

Gamecocks football tickets at Costco in West Ashley. pic.twitter.com/EfMIKs3RQr

— Scott Eisberg (@SEisbergWCIV) August 3, 2022

I think I saw Rutgers was going the same thing last week.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Cocks selling tix at Costco for their red hot SEC! matchups

Interesting. Have not seen this before.

Gamecocks football tickets at Costco in West Ashley. pic.twitter.com/EfMIKs3RQr

— Scott Eisberg (@SEisbergWCIV) August 3, 2022

Thats honestly a fantastic idea

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Cocks selling tix at Costco for their red hot SEC! matchups

Interesting. Have not seen this before.

Gamecocks football tickets at Costco in West Ashley. pic.twitter.com/EfMIKs3RQr

— Scott Eisberg (@SEisbergWCIV) August 3, 2022

A lot of shit talking from a program that was begging fans to buy ticket for pennies on Groupon.

[KChiefs1]

Canzano: The price for Notre Dame to turn its back on the Big Ten is set

How much do the Irish need to stay independent?

Spoiler!

Notre Dame loves its independence. But we’ll soon find out what that autonomy is worth when it comes to college football media rights and NBC.

The Irish have been with NBC since 1991. The current deal pays the university an average of $15 million a year. It expires in 2025. The Big Ten Conference would love to include Notre Dame as a member.

Fox’s deal with the Big Ten is expected to result in distributions to conference members in the $75 million to $80 million range.

So what happens with Notre Dame and NBC?

I turned to Fox Sports Networks president Bob Thompson for the answer. He’s negotiated a number of big-time media rights deals with a variety of sports conferences over the years.

“They have always taken a bit less TV money than others to retain their independence,” Thompson said. “As the gap widens, though, I have to think that they will have to get a significant increase to make it worthwhile to continue as an independent.”

Notre Dame’s current deal with NBC is backloaded. The Irish receive $22 million this year and will get $24.75 million from NBC in the final year of the deal. Notre Dame also receives $12 million-a-year in distributions from the ACC, where it’s a member in all sports except football and ice hockey.

Total take in the final year of the deal: $36.75 million

The Big Ten may covet Notre Dame and its golden brand, but as long as the Irish have access to the football playoff and a competitive pile of media rights revenue, they don’t need the conference affiliation. But what does Notre Dame need in total annual distributions to justify being independent?

Thompson’s estimate: $78 million in 2026.

Plus, four percent annual increases.

That’s the bar the Big Ten’s $1.25 billion deal with Fox is setting. If you assume the ACC distributions continue to rise in a way that is consistent with the market (3-4 percent annually), then NBC needs to increase its payment to a minimum of $65.7 million in 2026 to keep Notre Dame happy.

Dennis Dodd, of CBS Sports, recently reported that Notre Dame is “targeting” $75 million a year in payouts. Thompson’s estimates dovetail nicely with that figure. But there’s another wrinkle to consider.

Said Thompson: “Notre Dame does very well in the College Football Playoff payout area, especially considering that they don't have to share any payouts with other conference members.”

The payouts for an expanded playoff are expected to increase dramatically. Navigate, a Chicago-based data and consulting firm, demonstrated that an expanded, 12-team playoff would serve as a windfall.

It modeled what a 12-team event would have distributed annually had it existed from the inception of the playoff. Notre Dame was projected to reach the playoff 30 percent of the time and receive an average annual payout of $44 million, per Navigate. Best of all, the Irish wouldn’t have to split its playoff distributions like other conferences do.



Notre Dame could join the expanded Big Ten, sure. But it would have to compete with Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan and others for playoff spots. Or it could just stay independent, rake in media rights money, and have an easier path to the playoff.

I’m hoping Notre Dame turns its back on the Big Ten. Not because I don’t think it could compete, but because I think it would further destabilize college football. The Irish, operating as an independent, help leave the door open for outsiders. They’re an interesting part of the ecosystem. Moving to the Big Ten would tip the scales. (For that reason, I suspect the SEC would secretly like the Irish to stay independent as well.)

What does Thompson expect to happen?

“So as long as Notre Dame can get NBC and ACC payouts that get it in the mid-$78 million per year and they have a continued, guaranteed path to College Football Playoff I really expect them to sit out this round of realignment,” he said.

That’s the number.

I’ll bet NBC and the Big Ten know it, too.

PAYOUT PIE: I studied Navigate’s 12-team playoff payout chart. The Pac-12 was estimated to put 1.7 teams in the playoff and receive $269 million in annual distributions.

Keep this in mind when it comes to two factors:

• The Pac-12 currently splits the playoff and bowl-game distributions equally. It does the same with “units” earned from the men’s and women’s NCAA Tournaments. I’m told by multiple sources that the Pac-12 has discussed rewarding teams that qualify for the football playoff and basketball postseason by giving them bonus shares of those distributions. Keep an eye on that. It’s merit based and would serve as an enticement to keep Oregon, Washington and potentially some others from getting restless.

• After the defections of USC and UCLA, the Pac-12 is left with only 10 members to share media revenue and bowl-game payouts. There’s been lots of speculation about whether the conference will expand and add San Diego State, UNLV, Fresno State, SMU or maybe poach Houston or some others from the Big 12.

The number of television households matters. So does brand. Consider that when you’re expanding, you’re dividing the postseason-payout pie in more slices, too. If the Pac-12’s annual distribution to an expanded playoff is projected to be $269 million — or $26.9 million to every member, if split evenly.

Add two teams?

That payout drops to $22.6 million.

It’s why the conference has to go slow and only make a no-brainer move when it comes to expansion. I think some form of unequal revenue sharing is going to happen. If I’m Oregon, for example, I don’t want to invest heavily in football, make the playoff and have to share that playoff distribution equally with others.

We’ve all been caught up on the necessity for the Pac-12 to add two members. Why two? It’s an even number of teams for scheduling purposes. But the more I think about it, I’m wondering if the Pac-12 might replace UCLA/USC with only one team — San Diego State? Someone else? It would leave one fewer mouth to feed.

CLOSING WINDOWS: The Pac-12’s exclusive, 30-day negotiating window with ESPN and Fox expired quietly last week.

No news.

No deal.

No nothing.

This sparked some to believe the 30-day period might have been extended. But that doesn’t make sense. The early and exclusive negotiating window doesn’t benefit the conference, it benefits the network partners.

The Pac-12 would never go for that.

Remember, the Pac-12 accelerated the negotiating window by holding an emergency meeting of the Pac-12 CEO Group in early July. The conference voted and announced it was “immediately” opening that 30-day period. Not so it could wait and then extend the window, but because the Pac-12 wanted to get through the 30-day period and get its media rights to the open market and other bidders ASAP.

It’s possible that ESPN and the Pac-12 are involved in a deep, complex negotiation involving a loose partnership with the ACC. It’s also possible that the Pac-12 is selling its in-house network to ESPN for use on ESPN+. That stuff would take time. But you don’t need to be in an exclusive negotiating window to have those conversations.

The more likely scenario is that the 30-day window expired and that the Pac-12 is now legally shopping itself to other media partners. Also, it’s probably waiting for the Big Ten to finish eating and set the market.

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[Bearcat]

Costco >>>>>>> TicketMaster




(wouldn't be surprised if TM still somehow profits from that though)

[KChiefs1]

Canzano: ESPN shut out of Big Ten? If true, great for the Pac-12

Report: ESPN will be without Big Ten football and basketball

Spoiler!

The Sports Business Journal posted an interesting story on the Big Ten’s media rights negotiations. John Ourand, a very good reporter, had the goods:

Barring a last-minute change of direction in the Big Ten’s media rights negotiations, ESPN will be without the conference’s football and basketball games for the first time in 40 years. With Big Ten negotiations nearing an end -- I’m told agreements could be reached by the end of this week or push into next -- CBS and NBC have emerged as the clear front runners to pick up Big Ten rights alongside Fox Sports.

Some rapid-fire thoughts:

• This could be a leak, designed to tweak ESPN for a few bucks. A couple of industry insiders that I communicated with wondered if the news was the Big Ten doing some public negotiating. Keep an eye on that.

• Does the Big Ten think NBC can help steer Notre Dame into its arms down the road? I wondered when I read the story. So did some others. The Big Ten would love Notre Dame in the fold. The Irish covet their independence. I took a deep dive on that on Sunday.

• NBC might want to position Notre Dame as a lead-in to the Big Ten’s weekly primetime game. Or it could flip flop the two products, week to week. Doing so would give the network a consistent Saturday football schedule.

• I also wondered if the Big Ten was trying to cannibalize some of the revenue that would have potentially gone to Notre Dame in its next deal. There is only so much money to spend and every dollar that the Big Ten eats is one less for the Irish, right?

• I floated that idea to Bob Thompson, the former president of Fox Sports Networks, on Monday evening. He said, “Problem with that is Notre Dame could walk down to ESPN and get a deal done in about 10 minutes.”

• Thompson also added, “If ESPN is on the outside that’s very good news for the Pac 12.”

• Pac-12 Commissioner George Kliavkoff told me on media day that the conference would wait to see what the Big Ten with its deal before acting. Meaning, the Pac-12 will allow the Big Ten to set the market and, also, see which networks are left on the outside, looking in. If ESPN is really not getting any Big Ten games, it’s not just good for the Pac-12, but also the Big 12, which will need to eat, too.

• I’ve written a lot about a “loose partnership” between the Pac-12 and ACC. I continue to hear this is a real possibility. ESPN may lean hard into making that happen if they don’t spend any money on the Big Ten.

• Imagine non-conference crossover football and basketball games between the ACC and Pac-12 on ABC/ESPN. Also, imagine conference championship week in the college football season where the ACC champion is pitted vs. the Pac-12 champion in Las Vegas. No. 2 vs. No. 2? No. 3 vs. No. 3? Basically, a late-season festival, presented by ESPN?

• If ESPN’s relationship with the Big Ten is indeed over, it would signal the end of a long-running partnership. Ourand pointed out in his piece that ABC started carrying Big Ten games in 1966. ESPN cut its first deal with the conference in 1982. But this era of college football appears to be the place where traditions go to die.

• USC and UCLA know what I’m talking about.

• CBS lost the SEC games in the last round of negotiations. It needs inventory in the 3:30 p.m. Eastern Time Zone window on Saturdays. So CBS makes a lot of sense as a partner for the Big Ten.

• This whole thing is being positioned by some as an ESPN vs. Fox battle. Industry experts don’t see it that way. During the NFL season, does anyone see it as a Fox (NFC) vs. CBS (AFC) battle? Or do we just watch football?

Thompson, the former head of Fox Sports Networks told me:

“Saturdays are just gonna look like Sundays.”

“Why is everyone making this about Fox vs ESPN. Nobody says that about Fox vs CBS as it relates to NFL! This is just business and placing your network in the best position for a piece of the next iteration of the CFP playoffs.”

It’s just business, folks.

I’ll have more as this develops…

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[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

Canzano: ESPN shut out of Big Ten? If true, great for the Pac-12

Report: ESPN will be without Big Ten football and basketball

Spoiler!

The Sports Business Journal posted an interesting story on the Big Ten’s media rights negotiations. John Ourand, a very good reporter, had the goods:

Barring a last-minute change of direction in the Big Ten’s media rights negotiations, ESPN will be without the conference’s football and basketball games for the first time in 40 years. With Big Ten negotiations nearing an end -- I’m told agreements could be reached by the end of this week or push into next -- CBS and NBC have emerged as the clear front runners to pick up Big Ten rights alongside Fox Sports.

Some rapid-fire thoughts:

• This could be a leak, designed to tweak ESPN for a few bucks. A couple of industry insiders that I communicated with wondered if the news was the Big Ten doing some public negotiating. Keep an eye on that.

• Does the Big Ten think NBC can help steer Notre Dame into its arms down the road? I wondered when I read the story. So did some others. The Big Ten would love Notre Dame in the fold. The Irish covet their independence. I took a deep dive on that on Sunday.

• NBC might want to position Notre Dame as a lead-in to the Big Ten’s weekly primetime game. Or it could flip flop the two products, week to week. Doing so would give the network a consistent Saturday football schedule.

• I also wondered if the Big Ten was trying to cannibalize some of the revenue that would have potentially gone to Notre Dame in its next deal. There is only so much money to spend and every dollar that the Big Ten eats is one less for the Irish, right?

• I floated that idea to Bob Thompson, the former president of Fox Sports Networks, on Monday evening. He said, “Problem with that is Notre Dame could walk down to ESPN and get a deal done in about 10 minutes.”

• Thompson also added, “If ESPN is on the outside that’s very good news for the Pac 12.”

• Pac-12 Commissioner George Kliavkoff told me on media day that the conference would wait to see what the Big Ten with its deal before acting. Meaning, the Pac-12 will allow the Big Ten to set the market and, also, see which networks are left on the outside, looking in. If ESPN is really not getting any Big Ten games, it’s not just good for the Pac-12, but also the Big 12, which will need to eat, too.

• I’ve written a lot about a “loose partnership” between the Pac-12 and ACC. I continue to hear this is a real possibility. ESPN may lean hard into making that happen if they don’t spend any money on the Big Ten.

• Imagine non-conference crossover football and basketball games between the ACC and Pac-12 on ABC/ESPN. Also, imagine conference championship week in the college football season where the ACC champion is pitted vs. the Pac-12 champion in Las Vegas. No. 2 vs. No. 2? No. 3 vs. No. 3? Basically, a late-season festival, presented by ESPN?

• If ESPN’s relationship with the Big Ten is indeed over, it would signal the end of a long-running partnership. Ourand pointed out in his piece that ABC started carrying Big Ten games in 1966. ESPN cut its first deal with the conference in 1982. But this era of college football appears to be the place where traditions go to die.

• USC and UCLA know what I’m talking about.

• CBS lost the SEC games in the last round of negotiations. It needs inventory in the 3:30 p.m. Eastern Time Zone window on Saturdays. So CBS makes a lot of sense as a partner for the Big Ten.

• This whole thing is being positioned by some as an ESPN vs. Fox battle. Industry experts don’t see it that way. During the NFL season, does anyone see it as a Fox (NFC) vs. CBS (AFC) battle? Or do we just watch football?

Thompson, the former head of Fox Sports Networks told me:

“Saturdays are just gonna look like Sundays.”

“Why is everyone making this about Fox vs ESPN. Nobody says that about Fox vs CBS as it relates to NFL! This is just business and placing your network in the best position for a piece of the next iteration of the CFP playoffs.”

It’s just business, folks.

I’ll have more as this develops…

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You a paid sunshine pumper for Canzano?

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

You a paid sunshine pumper for Canzano?

I think he’s just one of the few living PAC fans left.

[Al Bundy]

This #Kansas fan believes that the #B1G and the #SEC are going to be fighting over the #Jayhawks. #RockChalk pic.twitter.com/rRcIYTaCSB

— Message Board Geniuses (@BoardGeniuses) August 8, 2022

[KChiefs1]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

You a paid sunshine pumper for Canzano?

I just like the guy & he is pretty in tune with the realignment stuff.


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[KChiefs1]

Originally Posted by Al Bundy

This #Kansas fan believes that the #B1G and the #SEC are going to be fighting over the #Jayhawks. #RockChalk pic.twitter.com/rRcIYTaCSB

— Message Board Geniuses (@BoardGeniuses) August 8, 2022

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[Prison Bitch]

Yeah that’s dumb. Kansas and Dook are terrible fits for the sec and neither side would benefit. Some folks are bored

[Bearcat]

WTF is he talking about with "P2 gets the tourney" over and over and over?

Is he just saying the "power 2" gets a bunch of teams into March Madness?

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

I just like the guy & he is pretty in tune with the realignment stuff.


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By in touch, you mean just repeats anything/everything that gets spammed around and hopes something sticks?