New Conference re-alignment thread

[Saulbadguy]

The old one has AIDS.

Anyways, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com reports OU may apply to the Pac-12 by the end of the month.

Oklahoma will apply for membership to the Pac-12 before the end of the month, and Oklahoma State is expected to follow suit, a source close to OU's administration told Orangebloods.com.

Even though Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday the Pac-12 was not interested in expansion at this time, OU's board of regents is fed up with the instability in the Big 12, the source said.

The OU board of regents will meet within two weeks to formalize plans to apply for membership to the Pac-12, the source said.

Messages left Sunday night with OU athletic director Joe Castiglione and Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder were not immediately returned.

If OU follows through with what appears to be a unanimous sentiment on the seven-member Oklahoma board of regents to leave the Big 12, realignment in college athletics could be heating back up. OU's application would be matched by an application from Oklahoma State, the source said, even though OSU president Burns Hargis and mega-booster Boone Pickens both voiced their support for the Big 12 last Thursday.

There is differing sentiment about if the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors are ready to expand again after bringing in Colorado and Utah last year and landing $3 billion TV contracts from Fox and ESPN. Colorado president Bruce Benson told reporters last week CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12.

Currently, there are north and south divisions in the Pac-12. If OU and OSU were to join, Larry Scott would have to get creative.

Scott's orginal plan last summer was to bring in Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and put them in an eastern division with Arizona and Arizona State. The old Pac-8 schools (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) were to be in the west division.

Colorado made the move in June 2010, but when Texas A&M was not on board to go west, the Big 12 came back together with the help of its television partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox).

If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were accepted into the Pac-12, there would undoubtedly be a hope by Larry Scott that Texas would join the league. But Texas sources have indicated UT is determined to hang onto the Longhorn Network, which would not be permissible in the Pac-12 in its current form.

Texas sources continue to indicate to Orangebloods.com that if the Big 12 falls apart, the Longhorns would consider "all options."

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call 10 days ago with league presidents excluding Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M and asked the other league presidents to "work on Texas" because Beebe didn't think the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma without Texas.

Now, it appears OU is willing to take its chances with the Pac-12 with or without Texas.

There seemed to be a temporary pause in any possible shifting of the college athletics' landscape when Baylor led a charge to tie up Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference in legal red tape. BU refused to waive its right to sue the SEC over A&M's departure from the Big 12, and the SEC said it would not admit Texas A&M until it had been cleared of any potential lawsuits.

Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State have indicated they will not waive their right to sue the SEC.

It's unclear if an application by OU to the Pac-12 would draw the same threats of litigation against the Pac-12 from those Big 12 schools.

Stay tuned.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

All 4 of them are > athletic programs than Mizzouche

Fairly low bar.

[POND_OF_RED]

Originally Posted by ROYC75

I knew/know ND will not do it, but be aggressive, show the country that the B12 is here to stay. I agree that B10 can't do it, why the B12? The only reason is , a ticket to the playoffs! They could, for the most part run thru this conference and have their ticket to the playoffs.

Same for Colorado, PAC 12 is vulnerable now. If the B12 got BYU, Boise State and Utah, they would have closer traveling with KU,KSU for budgeting and a chance to win the B12/err B16 for playoff football. Plus to have have an increased recruiting into some more bigger markets than just the West Coast, Orlando, Miami ( USF ) Houston, etc a greater exposure across the country? It's not far fetched to think about!

Now if Colorado did not jump back, sure a Co.State would help maximize the BYU, Boise St., Utah, western part of states of scheduling schools.

Just grabbing big name schools is not enough, there has to have some logistics involved within traveling in schools budgets.

Aggressive! B12 has to get aggressive to get things rolling or else, the the pickings will be gone and no one left to jump ship as conferences will get get creative with figuring out how to keep schools from jumping ship to other conferences.

Lol at the Big 12 getting ND or any big schools right now. When your ship is sinking you don’t try and net a whale, you just try to keep the thing afloat for as long as you can.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Fairly low bar.

Fair point.

Your comment got me to thinking: how do the 4 adds stack up against locals like MU, KSU, and the Rust Shacks? Quite well in fact. If you look at their revenues (2019) and subtract out the conf payouts, they’re all the same.


MU: 106M. Less 45M SEC payout = 61M stand-alone
ISU: 95M. Less 37M B12 = 58M
KSU; 89M. Less 37M B12 = 52M


Four Adds all ~70M less $7M league payouts. So each is $60M stand-alone, or identical to the 3 local schools (far below Kansas obv)

[Dante84]

I wonder if the remaining 8 will come out ahead in some capacity since they aren't having to give such a huge chunk of the pie to the OU/TX overlords?

Clearly not as strong a brand with the two huge programs leaving and four mid-tier programs joining, but what will the net outcome be financially for the remaining 8?

[Prison Bitch]

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[BWillie]

Why did Colorado leave anyway? To go make less money in the Pac 12? Nebby, MU and AtM make sense but why would u want to go to the Pac 12 with Oregon States of the world.

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Why did Colorado leave anyway? To go make less money in the Pac 12? Nebby, MU and AtM make sense but why would u want to go to the Pac 12 with Oregon States of the world.

It had more to do with cultural fit with the PAC than anything else. Athletically, it’s been a horrible move.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Why did Colorado leave anyway? To go make less money in the Pac 12? Nebby, MU and AtM make sense but why would u want to go to the Pac 12 with Oregon States of the world.

They were in that group of 6 the PAC 10 was after to make it the PAC 16 back in 2010. Accepted the invite regardless of the fact the other 5 didn't end up coming.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by ROYC75

I knew/know ND will not do it, but be aggressive, show the country that the B12 is here to stay. I agree that B10 can't do it, why the B12? The only reason is , a ticket to the playoffs! They could, for the most part run thru this conference and have their ticket to the playoffs.

Same for Colorado, PAC 12 is vulnerable now. If the B12 got BYU, Boise State and Utah, they would have closer traveling with KU,KSU for budgeting and a chance to win the B12/err B16 for playoff football. Plus to have have an increased recruiting into some more bigger markets than just the West Coast, Orlando, Miami ( USF ) Houston, etc a greater exposure across the country? It's not far fetched to think about!

Now if Colorado did not jump back, sure a Co.State would help maximize the BYU, Boise St., Utah, western part of states of scheduling schools.

Just grabbing big name schools is not enough, there has to have some logistics involved within traveling in schools budgets.

Aggressive! B12 has to get aggressive to get things rolling or else, the the pickings will be gone and no one left to jump ship as conferences will get get creative with figuring out how to keep schools from jumping ship to other conferences.

Yeah, I see your argument but Colorado jumped ship due to cultural fit more than anything. Can't see them changing on that. It's best for the Big 12 to expand east to support WVU versus going farther west, unless they can snag a bigger fish like BYU which they were able to do.

[TribalElder]

Mizzou is in the best college conference in the world and the KU folks keep trying to take shots at them

hilarious

BIG12 gonna extend an offer to Johnson County Community College next

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

All 4 of them are > athletic programs than Mizzouche

Remember when you had inside info ku to the acc lol

[Stewie]

After thinking about this for a while I like the additions. Good mix with interesting dynamics.

Heck, our head coach and best players on offense are from schools in the new Big 12.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by TribalElder

Mizzou is in the best college conference in the world and the KU folks keep trying to take shots at them

hilarious

BIG12 gonna extend an offer to Johnson County Community College next

You have it backwards. It’s MU fans mocking the B12 and the additions. We are simply pointing out that you’re no better athletically, nor do you generate any more income on your own, than these schools.


It’s great to get a fat check from the SEC. but you haven’t explained how MU itself is better.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by TribalElder

Mizzou is a doormat in the best college conference in the world and the KU folks keep trying to take shots at them

hilarious

BIG12 gonna extend an offer to Johnson County Community College next

FYP.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

You have it backwards. It’s MU fans mocking the B13 and the additions. We are simply pointing out that you’re no better athletically, nor do you generate any more income on your own, than these schools.


It’s great to get a fat check from the SEC. but you haven’t explained how MU itself is better.

When all your school has is SEC, SEC, SEC, it is an admission of having given up on the actual school and living vicariously through the better teams in the SEC.