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Old 04-28-2023, 06:41 PM  
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Old 05-09-2023, 08:44 AM   #916
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I think you look at his 10 and his 20 and then you say okay well if that 40 is accurate he would have to really hit the wall in the last 20 and you watch his 40 and that doesn't happen and you say okay this math doesn't add up.
Yeah I get it, and maybe it's just that, I can definitely see a 4.4 something guy above a 4.5 one. I'm just not sure it's going to be that far off looking at his tape. I know some guys saw good long speed but I didn't if I'm honest. I don't think that's his game. Next year is when we go back to the well on speed when teams adapt this year to the shorter stuff.
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I think you look at his 10 and his 20 and then you say okay well if that 40 is accurate he would have to really hit the wall in the last 20 and you watch his 40 and that doesn't happen and you say okay this math doesn't add up.
Interesting.

I was chatting him up with someone in the draft forum probably a month or so ago and made a specific note to say that I was really surprised by that 40 time because it just didn't match up with what I thought I saw from him.

He played faster than that.

Well - maybe his time was off?

yeah - this is my favorite pick of the draft. I went into that last week of the pre-draft process and literally said at one point "Man, i don't really care who they take in the 1st - I just really want Rice in the 2nd..."

I think he's gonna be awfully good. Not a superstar, just a damn steady player for a long time.
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Old 05-09-2023, 09:05 AM   #918
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Interesting.

I was chatting him up with someone in the draft forum probably a month or so ago and made a specific note to say that I was really surprised by that 40 time because it just didn't match up with what I thought I saw from him.

He played faster than that.

Well - maybe his time was off?

yeah - this is my favorite pick of the draft. I went into that last week of the pre-draft process and literally said at one point "Man, i don't really care who they take in the 1st - I just really want Rice in the 2nd..."

I think he's gonna be awfully good. Not a superstar, just a damn steady player for a long time.
If you add the "Mahomes multiplier" here I think we end up in a really good spot with him. If he's Aiyuk light, that plays all the way to the bank.
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Interesting.

I was chatting him up with someone in the draft forum probably a month or so ago and made a specific note to say that I was really surprised by that 40 time because it just didn't match up with what I thought I saw from him.

He played faster than that.

Well - maybe his time was off?

yeah - this is my favorite pick of the draft. I went into that last week of the pre-draft process and literally said at one point "Man, i don't really care who they take in the 1st - I just really want Rice in the 2nd..."

I think he's gonna be awfully good. Not a superstar, just a damn steady player for a long time.
Think this was me perhaps? I saw him as slower than you thought. That said, like Duncan I thought I was watching quite a different player dependent on what year I was watching. His earlier tape seemed to show more separation, imo. Maybe it's the toe, the usage, the opposition, or my eyes are s***t. Probably the latter.
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If you add the "Mahomes multiplier" here I think we end up in a really good spot with him. If he's Aiyuk light, that plays all the way to the bank.
I don't quite see the comp, but this would be a great outcome no doubt. I liked him, I couldn't quite put my finger on it because there was lots when watching him I wasn't sure of, but there's something there.
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Think this was me perhaps? I saw him as slower than you thought. That said, like Duncan I thought I was watching quite a different player dependent on what year I was watching. His earlier tape seemed to show more separation, imo. Maybe it's the toe, the usage, the opposition, or my eyes are s***t. Probably the latter.
Yeah, pretty sure it was.

And ultimately the stopwatch did make me question what I was seeing a bit. But in the end it was the physicality and body control. And he was just so good in space.

I just think he's perfect for the X role here. And maybe next year we're aggressive in trying to address the Z w/ Moore eventually being used primarily as a Y out of the slot. The timelines work, especially if you continue to commit to backfilling the position w/ 1st or 2nd day picks.
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Yeah, pretty sure it was.

And ultimately the stopwatch did make me question what I was seeing a bit. But in the end it was the physicality and body control. And he was just so good in space.

I just think he's perfect for the X role here. And maybe next year we're aggressive in trying to address the Z w/ Moore eventually being used primarily as a Y out of the slot. The timelines work, especially if you continue to commit to backfilling the position w/ 1st or 2nd day picks.
I'm thinking they see Toney in that Z role.
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ESPN was giving him quite a bit of love after the rookie mini camp.
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Yeah, pretty sure it was.

And ultimately the stopwatch did make me question what I was seeing a bit. But in the end it was the physicality and body control. And he was just so good in space.

I just think he's perfect for the X role here. And maybe next year we're aggressive in trying to address the Z w/ Moore eventually being used primarily as a Y out of the slot. The timelines work, especially if you continue to commit to backfilling the position w/ 1st or 2nd day picks.
Yeah, I think he's just a great fit for KC. I see Brandon Aiyuk. Ultimate, maxed out upside is Stafon Diggs.
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Nate Taylor basically said Rice was the only guy at rookie mini camp who really flashed. Said he looked exactly the part.
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Well to be fair lineman don't do much without pads and FAU isn't doing anything cause of thumb surgery.
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I'm thinking they see Toney in that Z role.
Gotta stay on the field.

But yeah, he has the talent for it and he'll never have a better opportunity to seize that kind of role/target share.
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Well to be fair lineman don't do much without pads and FAU isn't doing anything cause of thumb surgery.
It wasn't a knock on anyone else. It's rookie freaking mini-camp.

But it's always nice when the early pick whom you'd hope would stand out does just that because we're gonna need his production.
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