Royals 2012 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 609

**alnorth** · 10:54 PM

2012 Slogan: Our Time

A better, more accurate 2012 Slogan: It is Finally Next Year
(from Great Expectations)

An alternative slogan if you don't like that one: Someone has to win this crappy division
(from alnorth)

With the beginning of a new year, it is time for the 2012 version of the Royals Repository Thread. We've got Hosmer, we've got a 2011-dominating Gordon, we've got Moose, we've got hopefully a killer bullpen, we've got a stereotypical slow slugging DH, we've got easily one of the best defensive shortstops in the AL, we've got a promising catcher in Salvador Perez. Hell, we've got offense and promising prospects galore.

We do not have starting pitching.

Oh yeah, we've also got this:

Get ready for, (as of January 2012 anyway), one of the most confusing puzzles of a baseball season in recent Royals history. Will they suck? Maybe, I don't know. Will we be given a year of 0.500 baseball? Possibly, I don't know. Will they win the division and go to the playoffs for the first time in 27 years? For the first time in a long time, it could happen, I don't know. 92 losses, 92 wins, or anything in between would not surprise a lot of us.

Everything goes here except Gameday threads and really big news. If a giant story breaks, the Royals achieve some awesome milestone, or we sign/lose a highly significant player/coach/mascot/whatever, then it might also deserve its own thread. This being Chiefs Planet, please do not clutter the board with new threads about trivial Royals news or you will only annoy those who come here for just Chiefs football. If you aren't sure and its not a Gameday thread, it goes here.

What sort of stuff often goes here? SPchief explained it well, so I'll just copy that:

Quote:

If you locate something of interest.. ANYTHING.. deals on apparel, best ways in/out of the stadium, giveaways, great stories from this season or from seasons gone by, rumors, trades, anything.... feel free to post it here.

CaliforniaChief · 12-03-2012, 10:34 PM

I just wish that we were the "surprise" team at the Winter Meetings this year. I know, rooting for the Royals precludes that.

Mortgage a few Walmarts for Josh Hamilton.
Trade LoCain and Bonifacio for Dickey. (even without an extension)
Dump Francouer.
Move Myers to Center.

BOOM.

**SAUTO** · 12-03-2012, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

I just wish that we were the "surprise" team at the Winter Meetings this year. I know, rooting for the Royals precludes that.

Mortgage a few Walmarts for Josh Hamilton.
Trade LoCain and Bonifacio for Dickey. (even without an extension)
Dump Francouer.
Move Myers to Center.

BOOM.

hell while we are at it why not sign greinke and Sanchez too?

Or even Sanchez
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CaliforniaChief · 12-03-2012, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

hell while we are at it why not sign greinke and Sanchez too?

Or even Sanchez
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Actually, only the Hamilton deal is over our "soft ceiling."

**SAUTO** · 12-03-2012, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

Actually, only the Hamilton deal is over our "soft ceiling."

Yeah, but w couldn't easily trade Cain and get rid of Frenchy SMS move Myers to center without signing Hamilton.

But think about what a ****ing splash it would be to sign all three.
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CaliforniaChief · 12-03-2012, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Yeah, but w couldn't easily trade Cain and get rid of Frenchy SMS move Myers to center without signing Hamilton.

But think about what a ****ing splash it would be to sign all three.
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Yeah, Glass has dinner with Mark Cuban and decides to become "that guy."

Royals nation rejoices.

Oh wait, nevermind. We've got HOCHEVAR.

**SAUTO** · 12-03-2012, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

Yeah, Glass has dinner with Mark Cuban and decides to become "that guy."

Royals nation rejoices.

Oh wait, nevermind. We've got HOCHEVAR.

everyone would be going nuts.
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Deberg_1990 · 12-04-2012, 10:04 AM

and here we go.........Yost believes Hochevar can "turn the corner"

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/12/03...-can-turn.html

That impact addition the Royals are seeking for their rotation, manager Ned Yost suggests, could already be in hand.

“I look for Luke Hochevar to bounce back,” Yost declared Monday in his news conference at the Winter Meetings. “I really do. I think Luke has great stuff, and I feel good every time he steps on the mound.

“The optimist in me thinks he’s going to have a great year.”
The Royals reinforced their rotation in recent weeks by obtaining Ervin Santana in a trade from the Los Angeles Angels and retaining free-agent Jeremy Guthrie. They continue to push hard on trade possibilities for a front-of-the-rotation addition.

That quest – and a willingness to surrender prospects — is one of the major storylines this week while baseball convenes as an industry
for its annual meetings at the Gaylord Opryland Resort and Convention Center.

“Would I like to have another starting pitcher?” Yost parried. “Would I like to have two more starting pitchers? Sure. I think every major-league manager would … but at what cost?”

Yost is adamant the Royals continue to see Hochevar as a potential cornerstone despite all indications to the contrary through seven professional seasons. Hochevar was 8-16 last season with a 5.73 ERA in 32 starts.

Ask Yost to explain his conviction, and he rapidly ticks off a series of points.
“One, he’s got great stuff,” Yost said. “Two, he’s a great competitor. Three, he’s not afraid …”
Pause.

“You can pinpoint why a guy doesn’t have success more times than not,” Yost said. “You can look at a pitcher and see makeup flaws. Or maybe it’s stuff. Or maybe he doesn’t throw enough strikes. Or maybe the quality of his pitches isn’t really good.
“I don’t see any of that with Hoch.

“I like his pitches. I like the quality of his pitches. I like his stuff. I like the way he competes on the mound. I like his makeup. He’s not scared. He goes right after hitters. He does his homework. The intangibles are there to have success. He just hasn’t had it.”
Hochevar was the first overall pick in the 2006 draft and reached the majors late in the 2007 season. While he has flashed dominant potential on occasion, he is also a combined 38-59 with a 5.39 ERA in 132 career games.

Even so, general manager Dayton Moore said the club never considered non-tendering Hochevar prior to last Friday’s deadline, which means the Royals are probably looking at, roughly, a $4.4 million outlay for next season.

Yost acknowledged Hochevar’s lack of success is puzzling.
“I’ve never really had a player,” he said, “who I couldn’t figure out why he hasn’t been successful. Again, you can, generally, identify one thing for why a player isn’t successful With Hoch, I can’t.

“I think, at the blink of an eye, it can turn around for him. I just think it’s a matter of time before he is successful. I think this year, with the addition of Santana and having Guthrie from the beginning of the year, I think it’s really going to help Hoch.”

BlackHelicopters · 12-04-2012, 10:08 AM

"It can turn around in the blink of eye." Like to thank my father for raising me a Royals fan.

**Reaper16** · 12-04-2012, 10:10 AM

Deberg_1990 · 12-04-2012, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Bundy

Well... I think I am done with the Royals.

Same......i already said this past season if he was back, then im done. Well, im gonna hold up my end. This was the final straw for me.

Fansy the Famous Bard · 12-04-2012, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

I think, at the blink of an eye, it can turn around for him

Obviously "blink of an eye" means year 6 of the abortion.

Think about this... we're going to be in Luke's 6th year of total sucktitude. It reminds me why this organization has sucked for SO ****ING LONG.

Jenson71 · 12-04-2012, 10:20 AM

Anyone see what Ned Yost said about Hoch?

Fansy the Famous Bard · 12-04-2012, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Literature

Anyone see what Ned Yost said about Hoch?

nope, could you please post a link? Or post what was said into the thread. I think we need to go over it, since this hasn't happened yet.

Deberg_1990 · 12-04-2012, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

“You can pinpoint why a guy doesn’t have success more times than not,” Yost said. “You can look at a pitcher and see makeup flaws. Or maybe it’s stuff. Or maybe he doesn’t throw enough strikes. Or maybe the quality of his pitches isn’t really good.
“I don’t see any of that with Hoch.

Our manager really said that....incredible.

There is no hope for this franchise.

KevB · 12-04-2012, 10:23 AM

Can someone post the Hochever article? I haven't had a chance to read it.

Meanwhile, the Nats just signed Dan Haren for 1 year/$13M (he also got $3.5M from Angels buyout). $16.5M for a down year and a bad back? Nicely done Dan. And the Nats move right back to the top of the National League with that staff. THAT's how you build a rotation. Three draft picks (Stras, Zimmerman, Detwiler), traded prospects for another stud (Gio) and signed a vet to fill things out. Impressive.

12-03-2012, 10:34 PM	#9121
CaliforniaChief #RIPAce Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: So Cal Casino cash: $10705899	I just wish that we were the "surprise" team at the Winter Meetings this year. I know, rooting for the Royals precludes that. Mortgage a few Walmarts for Josh Hamilton. Trade LoCain and Bonifacio for Dickey. (even without an extension) Dump Francouer. Move Myers to Center. BOOM.
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12-04-2012, 10:04 AM	#9127
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $334454	and here we go.........Yost believes Hochevar can "turn the corner" http://www.kansascity.com/2012/12/03...-can-turn.html That impact addition the Royals are seeking for their rotation, manager Ned Yost suggests, could already be in hand. “I look for Luke Hochevar to bounce back,” Yost declared Monday in his news conference at the Winter Meetings. “I really do. I think Luke has great stuff, and I feel good every time he steps on the mound. “The optimist in me thinks he’s going to have a great year.” The Royals reinforced their rotation in recent weeks by obtaining Ervin Santana in a trade from the Los Angeles Angels and retaining free-agent Jeremy Guthrie. They continue to push hard on trade possibilities for a front-of-the-rotation addition. That quest – and a willingness to surrender prospects — is one of the major storylines this week while baseball convenes as an industry for its annual meetings at the Gaylord Opryland Resort and Convention Center. “Would I like to have another starting pitcher?” Yost parried. “Would I like to have two more starting pitchers? Sure. I think every major-league manager would … but at what cost?” Yost is adamant the Royals continue to see Hochevar as a potential cornerstone despite all indications to the contrary through seven professional seasons. Hochevar was 8-16 last season with a 5.73 ERA in 32 starts. Ask Yost to explain his conviction, and he rapidly ticks off a series of points. “One, he’s got great stuff,” Yost said. “Two, he’s a great competitor. Three, he’s not afraid …” Pause. “You can pinpoint why a guy doesn’t have success more times than not,” Yost said. “You can look at a pitcher and see makeup flaws. Or maybe it’s stuff. Or maybe he doesn’t throw enough strikes. Or maybe the quality of his pitches isn’t really good. “I don’t see any of that with Hoch. “I like his pitches. I like the quality of his pitches. I like his stuff. I like the way he competes on the mound. I like his makeup. He’s not scared. He goes right after hitters. He does his homework. The intangibles are there to have success. He just hasn’t had it.” Hochevar was the first overall pick in the 2006 draft and reached the majors late in the 2007 season. While he has flashed dominant potential on occasion, he is also a combined 38-59 with a 5.39 ERA in 132 career games. Even so, general manager Dayton Moore said the club never considered non-tendering Hochevar prior to last Friday’s deadline, which means the Royals are probably looking at, roughly, a $4.4 million outlay for next season. Yost acknowledged Hochevar’s lack of success is puzzling. “I’ve never really had a player,” he said, “who I couldn’t figure out why he hasn’t been successful. Again, you can, generally, identify one thing for why a player isn’t successful With Hoch, I can’t. “I think, at the blink of an eye, it can turn around for him. I just think it’s a matter of time before he is successful. I think this year, with the addition of Santana and having Guthrie from the beginning of the year, I think it’s really going to help Hoch.” __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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BlackHelicopters Spiraling down the Drain Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Dante's Ninth Circle Casino cash: $-679412	"It can turn around in the blink of eye." Like to thank my father for raising me a Royals fan. __________________ "We're both part of the same hypocrisy, Senator, but never think it applies to my family." "Fredo. You are my brother, and I love you. But never take sides against the Family again. Ever." 2019 Adopt a Chief - Travis Kelce #87
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Jenson71 fides quaerens intellectum Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: United States Casino cash: $8330900	Anyone see what Ned Yost said about Hoch?
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KevB Agree to Disagree Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The State of Euphoria Casino cash: $10026612	Can someone post the Hochever article? I haven't had a chance to read it. Meanwhile, the Nats just signed Dan Haren for 1 year/$13M (he also got $3.5M from Angels buyout). $16.5M for a down year and a bad back? Nicely done Dan. And the Nats move right back to the top of the National League with that staff. THAT's how you build a rotation. Three draft picks (Stras, Zimmerman, Detwiler), traded prospects for another stud (Gio) and signed a vet to fill things out. Impressive.
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