Let's talk 2025 roster build (12/7) - Page 6

pugsnotdrugs19 · 12:34 PM

I know we got a threepeat to complete, but I'm thinking ahead today... let's take this position by position:

QB: I'd bring Wentz back. Perfect backup and IDK where else he can go and find a better job unless (God forbid) he plays this year.

RB: I'd bring Hunt back on a minimum deal. Go into the draft with Pacheco and Hunt, find a speed back in the draft who is capable of taking the job post-2025.

WR: If not for Rice's impending suspension, I'd feel good here. I'd look to bring Hopkins and Hollywood both back on 1-2 year deals. If the group will stay healthy, I think we will find they're really good. Rice and Worthy will be perfect complements to one another as WR 1 and 2. But you need to get by while Rice is out and you need depth for injury. I'd be fine with Hardman and Watson as WR 5 & 6.

TE: Does Kelce retire? If he doesn't, this can be left alone probably unless they think Wiley sucks. If Kelce does retire... I'd think you need to at least slap a solid vet bandaid on and see if Gray can take the TE1 reigns. I think he can simply because he's so steady. Not Kelce, but damn solid.

OT: Biggest need obviously. We will see if Humphries earns a new deal. Scares me with his injury history but if he looks good... we can't let a good LT walk away. Hopefully Kingsley can become a legit swing tackle at minimum with a shot to take over a starting job in 2026. Taylor is here another year, perhaps two more.

IOL: I'd give Thuney a short extension to alleviate his cap hit if he plans to play much longer. Let Wanya, Nourzad, and Hanson compete for the RG job. If someone falls to you in the draft, take it and run. Protecting Pat is always priority #1.

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DL: Need another legit pass rusher with juice. I'd hope that also retaining Omenihu is a priority. I'd prefer that over Trey Smith and maybe even Bolton at this point, especially if it can be a one-year deal that he takes to try and get paid in 2026. Need to bring our big run stuffers back on 1-year deals per usual.

LB: Tranquill hasn't been as good this year, which makes keeping Bolton seem a bit more important. I hope he can be retained at a reasonable cost, and if he can, we can roll with the same trio into 2025.

CB: Have to get another slot corner who can be there in case Trent can't -- which only takes a single injury to the room. Get another young guy or two in the room for in the inevitable departures of some of our 2022 Fab Five guys. Preferrably mid rounds.

S: I think Hicks is ready to take over Reid's role by next year. Not an urgent need at the position, especially if you add another viable slot corner that lets Conner stay at safety.

Specialists: Bring Araiza back on RFA deal, everything should stay the same there.

Rough stab at what a 53-man could look like in '25:

QB - Mahomes, Wentz
RB - Pacheco, Hunt, draft pick
WR - Rice, Worthy, Hopkins, Hollywood, Hardman, Watson
TE - Kelce, Gray, Wiley
LT - Vet (Humphries?), Morris
LG - Thuney, Nourzad
C - Humphrey, Nourzad
RG - Kingsley, Hanson
RT - Taylor, Driscoll

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DE - Karlaftis, Danna
DT - Jones, Wharton or an early draft pick
NT - A couple cheap fatties, vets or rookies
DE - Omenihu, FAU, draft pick (first two days)
LB - Bolton, Tranquill, Leo
CB - Trent, Watson, Williams, vet slot corner, draft pick
S - Hicks, Cook, Conner

Feel like I'm probably leaving out a fairly nice FA signing or two but hard to project there until we see what the market will be.

JPH83 · 12-19-2024, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Kind of a terrible year for WR FA’s tbh. If not Hollywood then Elijah Moore is my preference with Dyami Brown as a lesser option.

Hollywood was cheap this year and fits this offense perfectly. Bring him back. He’s cheap

It's possibly even worse for LTs, and I don't think the draft is great. Suspect we'll have to overpay a vet for insurance AND draft another developmental OT for insurance policy. Lot of capital we've got to sink into that position.

Makes sense to move on from Smith. I like Omenihu but I don't think I'd.pay him what he wants. Would live Holywood back on a similar deal

O.city · 12-19-2024, 08:18 AM

We're in the spot where the positions we need aren't usually in FA and or are expensive and get drafted early.

I think we need to be bold again this offseason. If that means trading a guy or letting some guys walk etc. so be it.

smithandrew051 · 12-19-2024, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

We're in the spot where the positions we need aren't usually in FA and or are expensive and get drafted early.

I think we need to be bold again this offseason. If that means trading a guy or letting some guys walk etc. so be it.

If the Chiefs pull off the 3-peat, they’ve officially hit the highest peak of any team in NFL history. A record that won’t likely be broken any time soon, as you’d need 4 straight to surpass that.

I’m all for a significant reset if that happens. I wouldn’t oppose letting just about everyone walk in FA and trading away some guys.

It’s time to load up on picks and clear cap. Next season may be a good step back, but it’s for the best long term.

Couch-Potato · 12-19-2024, 07:54 PM

Hypothetically, what would you suspect Noah Gray’s stats would be like next year without Kelce?

JimNasium · 12-20-2024, 06:53 AM

I put this in another thread and my comment was largely panned by the collective genious [sic] of ChiefsPlanet. I truly believe that next year should be a mini-reset. Let’s get some roster churn going and get some young talent in here. It makes me nervous to think about bringing back/extending guys like Trey Smith, Bolton, Reid, Dhop. I don’t mind a few one year vet deals, but let’s take a breath after making NFL history and set this team up for another run with young players on first contracts.

smithandrew051 · 12-20-2024, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JimNasium

I put this in another thread and my comment was largely panned by the collective genious [sic] of ChiefsPlanet. I truly believe that next year should be a mini-reset. Let’s get some roster churn going and get some young talent in here. It makes me nervous to think about bringing back/extending guys like Trey Smith, Bolton, Reid, Dhop. I don’t mind a few one year vet deals, but let’s take a breath after making NFL history and set this team up for another run with young players on first contracts.

100% agree.

If you 3-peat, you’ve essential beaten the game at that point.

Nothing wrong with starting a new play through.

OKchiefs · 12-20-2024, 01:51 PM

They can do a reset, but do it at the expense of the defense. A reset cannot involve not immediately addressing the offense enough so that Mahomes continues his downward trajectory. Fix the tackle position, find a good running back, continue to add talent at receiver.

RunKC · 12-20-2024, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

They can do a reset, but do it at the expense of the defense. A reset cannot involve not immediately addressing the offense enough so that Mahomes continues his downward trajectory. Fix the tackle position, find a good running back, continue to add talent at receiver.

They did though. Unfortunately Rashee, Hollywood and Pacheco all got hurt.

OL has been bad at LT but the underlying problem is all of our explosion but Worthy was sitting on IR and replaced with older, slower declining veterans.

Really sucks that we never got to see Rice, Hollywood and Worthy together. Offense would look drastically different

smithandrew051 · 12-20-2024, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

They did though. Unfortunately Rashee, Hollywood and Pacheco all got hurt.

OL has been bad at LT but the underlying problem is all of our explosion but Worthy was sitting on IR and replaced with older, slower declining veterans.

Really sucks that we never got to see Rice, Hollywood and Worthy together. Offense would look drastically different

Which is why I don’t understand some of the Veach blame. He can’t control injuries. Especially, the freak Rice injury.

Maybe some blame for LT. I guess the Cam Robinson trade would’ve been the better move.

Couch-Potato · 12-21-2024, 11:15 AM

I’m growing increasingly concerned about the future of our OL. Thuney has 1 season left on his deal, Taylor has a team option after next season and isn’t the longterm answer, Trey Smith is the top FA in the league this offseason despite a down year, and LT has been a turnstile with no clear answer.

Feels like we might need another rebuild on the OL soon. We need answers at LT, at least one but maybe two guard spots, and could benefit from a RT upgrade. We have some guys developing but the uncertainty around these guys leaves room to bring in additional competition.

I’m thinking resign Trey Smith and draft OT in the 1st.

kccrow · 12-21-2024, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

I’m growing increasingly concerned about the future of our OL. Thuney has 1 season left on his deal, Taylor has a team option after next season and isn’t the longterm answer, Trey Smith is the top FA in the league this offseason despite a down year, and LT has been a turnstile with no clear answer.

Feels like we might need another rebuild on the OL soon. We need answers at LT, at least one but maybe two guard spots, and could benefit from a RT upgrade. We have some guys developing but the uncertainty around these guys leaves room to bring in additional competition.

I’m thinking resign Trey Smith and draft OT in the 1st.

We just drafted two OGs in Nourzad and Hanson, have an UDFA OG with some promise in Mettauer, and can bring back Caliendo at OG who has been very solid. That's not even considering that Morris is probably best served moving inside. I'd say OG is not an issue. We do need to address OT. I do think that Suamataia develops and handles one of those spots, he has all the tools. Like his cousin, that may come at RT but we'll see.

Couch-Potato · 12-21-2024, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

We just drafted two OGs in Nourzad and Hanson, have an UDFA OG with some promise in Mettauer, and can bring back Caliendo at OG who has been very solid. That's not even considering that Morris is probably best served moving inside. I'd say OG is not an issue. We do need to address OT. I do think that Suamataia develops and handles one of those spots, he has all the tools. Like his cousin, that may come at RT but we'll see.

Feeling better, thank you lol

A rock solid LT would really make me feel better though.

Chris Meck · 12-21-2024, 05:14 PM

You have to solve LT for at least a couple of years. You need a plus pass rusher to add to Jones/Karlaftis.

You need to build the secondary around Mcduffie, who will not be cheap.

You've got two young talented WR's in Rice and Worthy. You have some weaponry.

I think you have to figure out what the next era is going to be built around, and if it were me, I'd be building the offensive and defensive lines. Thing is, where we draft, we're going to have to pay for it in free agency.

Couch-Potato · 12-22-2024, 11:40 AM

Depending on where you look it seems like we’ll get a chance to draft one of the following OTs @ #32: Jones Jr, Milum, Williams, Ersery, Simmons, Savaiinaea, or Conley Jr.

Curious on CPs opinion of the above names? Are they developmental or bookend LTs? Who fits our offense best? Which will be out of reach and who’s most likely to fall to us?

Feels like we should target LT or Edge in the first.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 12-23-2024, 08:49 AM

With McDuffie as cornerstone of the secondary plus Rice and Worthy here cheap for at least the next three or four years, yeah, I’d keep prioritizing the lines above all.

If the lines are good, with Mahomes you’re always gonna be in that mix of 4-5 legit SB contenders late in the year.

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pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $7689447	Let's talk 2025 roster build (12/7) I know we got a threepeat to complete, but I'm thinking ahead today... let's take this position by position: QB: I'd bring Wentz back. Perfect backup and IDK where else he can go and find a better job unless (God forbid) he plays this year. RB: I'd bring Hunt back on a minimum deal. Go into the draft with Pacheco and Hunt, find a speed back in the draft who is capable of taking the job post-2025. WR: If not for Rice's impending suspension, I'd feel good here. I'd look to bring Hopkins and Hollywood both back on 1-2 year deals. If the group will stay healthy, I think we will find they're really good. Rice and Worthy will be perfect complements to one another as WR 1 and 2. But you need to get by while Rice is out and you need depth for injury. I'd be fine with Hardman and Watson as WR 5 & 6. TE: Does Kelce retire? If he doesn't, this can be left alone probably unless they think Wiley sucks. If Kelce does retire... I'd think you need to at least slap a solid vet bandaid on and see if Gray can take the TE1 reigns. I think he can simply because he's so steady. Not Kelce, but damn solid. OT: Biggest need obviously. We will see if Humphries earns a new deal. Scares me with his injury history but if he looks good... we can't let a good LT walk away. Hopefully Kingsley can become a legit swing tackle at minimum with a shot to take over a starting job in 2026. Taylor is here another year, perhaps two more. IOL: I'd give Thuney a short extension to alleviate his cap hit if he plans to play much longer. Let Wanya, Nourzad, and Hanson compete for the RG job. If someone falls to you in the draft, take it and run. Protecting Pat is always priority #1. --- DL: Need another legit pass rusher with juice. I'd hope that also retaining Omenihu is a priority. I'd prefer that over Trey Smith and maybe even Bolton at this point, especially if it can be a one-year deal that he takes to try and get paid in 2026. Need to bring our big run stuffers back on 1-year deals per usual. LB: Tranquill hasn't been as good this year, which makes keeping Bolton seem a bit more important. I hope he can be retained at a reasonable cost, and if he can, we can roll with the same trio into 2025. CB: Have to get another slot corner who can be there in case Trent can't -- which only takes a single injury to the room. Get another young guy or two in the room for in the inevitable departures of some of our 2022 Fab Five guys. Preferrably mid rounds. S: I think Hicks is ready to take over Reid's role by next year. Not an urgent need at the position, especially if you add another viable slot corner that lets Conner stay at safety. Specialists: Bring Araiza back on RFA deal, everything should stay the same there. Rough stab at what a 53-man could look like in '25: QB - Mahomes, Wentz RB - Pacheco, Hunt, draft pick WR - Rice, Worthy, Hopkins, Hollywood, Hardman, Watson TE - Kelce, Gray, Wiley LT - Vet (Humphries?), Morris LG - Thuney, Nourzad C - Humphrey, Nourzad RG - Kingsley, Hanson RT - Taylor, Driscoll - DE - Karlaftis, Danna DT - Jones, Wharton or an early draft pick NT - A couple cheap fatties, vets or rookies DE - Omenihu, FAU, draft pick (first two days) LB - Bolton, Tranquill, Leo CB - Trent, Watson, Williams, vet slot corner, draft pick S - Hicks, Cook, Conner Feel like I'm probably leaving out a fairly nice FA signing or two but hard to project there until we see what the market will be. Last edited by pugsnotdrugs19; 12-07-2024 at 12:34 PM..
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Couch-Potato MVP Join Date: Jan 2015 Casino cash: $1333065	I’m growing increasingly concerned about the future of our OL. Thuney has 1 season left on his deal, Taylor has a team option after next season and isn’t the longterm answer, Trey Smith is the top FA in the league this offseason despite a down year, and LT has been a turnstile with no clear answer. Feels like we might need another rebuild on the OL soon. We need answers at LT, at least one but maybe two guard spots, and could benefit from a RT upgrade. We have some guys developing but the uncertainty around these guys leaves room to bring in additional competition. I’m thinking resign Trey Smith and draft OT in the 1st.
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Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-15090	You have to solve LT for at least a couple of years. You need a plus pass rusher to add to Jones/Karlaftis. You need to build the secondary around Mcduffie, who will not be cheap. You've got two young talented WR's in Rice and Worthy. You have some weaponry. I think you have to figure out what the next era is going to be built around, and if it were me, I'd be building the offensive and defensive lines. Thing is, where we draft, we're going to have to pay for it in free agency.
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pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $7689447	With McDuffie as cornerstone of the secondary plus Rice and Worthy here cheap for at least the next three or four years, yeah, I’d keep prioritizing the lines above all. If the lines are good, with Mahomes you’re always gonna be in that mix of 4-5 legit SB contenders late in the year.
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