Mock (11/14) - Page 6

Direckshun · 11-14-2014, 12:05 PM

Assumptions:

1. The Chiefs finish 9-7, make the playoffs, and get drummed out of the first round by the Pittsburgh Steelers. Because we are the Chiefs. We end up picking #23. All staff is retained.

2. The team fails to extend OLB Justin Houston and has to franchise tag him. They do, however, extend S Eric Berry at some point over the next 12 months for about $8-9m a year. Tamba Hali, who for some reason fell off hardcore and only musters 7 sacks by the end of the year, agrees to a three-year extension for $22m ($10m guaranteed), getting a gigantic signing bonus but technically only playing for the vet minimum in 2015.

3. The Chiefs re-sign C Rodney Hudson to a 4 year, $20m deal ($6m guaranteed), DE Kevin Vickerson to a 2 year, $2m deal, and S Ron Parker to a 3 year, $5m deal ($1m guaranteed).

4. The Chiefs cut WR Donnie Avery, WR A.J. Jenkins, TE Anthony Fasano, DE Mike DeVito, ILB Derrick Johnson, CB Jamell Fleming.

5. The Chiefs tender OLB Josh Martin.

6. The Chiefs let walk RB Joe McKnight, WR Junior Hemingway, WR Frankie Hammond, TE Demetrius Harris, OT Ryan Harris, OG Jeff Linkenbach, OG Mike McGlynn, DE Allen Bailey, S Kurt Coleman, and S Kelcie McCray.

7. The Chiefs re-sign ILB Josh Mauga, CB Chris Owens, and LS Thomas Gafford to minimal deals.

8. The Chiefs sign WR Cecil Shorts (Jaguars) to a 4 year, $20m ($6m guaranteed) deal, WR Jermaine Kearse (Seahawks) to a 3 year, $9m ($1m guaranteed) deal, TE Lance Kendricks (Rams) to a 2 year, $4m deal.

9. They receive four compensatory picks: a 3rd (Albert), two 5ths (Asamoah + Jackson), and a 7th (McCluster).

On with the show:

1.23. DE Mario Edwards, Jr., Florida State

The Chiefs are in Super Bowl contention in 2015. They've put together an offense that will give Alex Smith tons of options on every down, and should stay together in its entirety for at least two years: Charles, Davis, DAT, Bowe, Shorts, Kearse, Kelce, and Kendricks. They've also retained Hali for a few more years, to allow Dee Ford more time to develop, and they've got enough options at both corner and safety.

The biggest loss of this hypothetical offseason is Allen Bailey. DJ has at least been adequately replaced by Mauga (and my 2nd round pick), but there is no substitution for the heat that Bailey could bring.

Edwards, however, is a perfect example of a Dorsey selection. At 6'3", 295 lbs, he was illfitted at rushbacker for the Seminoles, but he did show tons of explosion and power rushing the passer. The Chiefs have Kevin Vickerson, Jaye Howard, and Mike Catapano at DE, but the more time the coaches get with Super Mario, he's going to have ridiculous upside.

2.55. ILB Eric Kendricks, UCLA

The Chiefs need a leader who can hit hard, penetrate the pocket, and drop into coverage at the ILB position. Mauga can do all three decently. JMJ can only really cover. And Joe Mays can only really hit hard. Kendricks is the best talent they've drafted at the position since DJ himself.

3.87. OG Josue Matias, Florida State

Matias is a powerful run blocker at the point of attack, and would immediately compete to start against Jeff Allen at LG. Surrounded by Fisher, Hudson, and Fulton, all of whom will have another year under their belts, Matias could honestly plug-and-play just fine.

3.96. CB Jalen Collins, LSU

A guy who times poorly, but plays face, the 6'2" Collins can provide a lot more length and lockdown ability for the Chiefs' secondary.

4.124. CB/S Byron Jones, Connecticut

Jones is a 6'0" corner with safety experience. Due to his season-ending shoulder surgery, it's hard to tell where exactly he'll fall, but if Sutton wants to commit more to this off-man zone he's been running, Jones is a perfect candidate.

5.163. NT Phillip Dukes, South Carolina

Vance Walker costs a lot for a guy that plays 10 snaps a game. We're probably going to have to keep him for another year, but Dukes will give us some options if we want to part ways in 2016.

5.174. TE Tyler Kroft, Rutgers

Dorsey, for ONCE in his life, takes a step outside his prototype for the TE position. Demetrius Harris was barely panning out, and the Chiefs need a 3rd TE for their 3 TE sets. Kroft is an athletic receiving TE who can benefit from some coaching on his blocking abilities -- if they could teach a basketball player to do it, they can teach a lifelong TE to do it.

5.175. WR Malcolm Mitchell, Georgia

An incredible receiving talent that the Chiefs can afford to gamble on since, including DAT, the Chiefs are now four-deep at WR. Mitchell is just a fantastic player, but has struggled with multiple injures in his legs at Georgia.

6.193. RB Josh Robinson, Mississippi State

A thick bowling ball that give the Chiefs a little more muscle.

7.238. K Spencer Roth, Baylor

An excellent kicker under pressure, and it's honestly time we challenge Cairo Santos again. We get it, Dave Toub, you can turn anybody into an effect special teamer. Please replace the midget.

7.254. OT Rob Havenstein, Wisconsin

A large, powerful runblocker, the Chiefs can bench Havenstein to get his pass protection up to snuff for a year or two.

Direckshun · 11-17-2014, 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Parker will cost less than Berry and there was no discernible drop off while Berry was injured.

At this point in time, I can see Dorsey retaining Parker and cutting Berry.

I am growing more and more convinced that this will be the case.

I think it's just as likely the Chiefs trade Berry for a receiver or talented ILB.

Direckshun · 11-17-2014, 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Commings may not have an NFL body but the NFL has been littered with guys that were unable to play their first or second season that later became good, if not great, NFL players.

Case in point today: Tony Moeaki scored his first TD since 2012 against the Chiefs.

Is there anyone in this forum that wouldn't want him on this roster opposite Kelce right now?

I would rather have Fasano over Moeaki. I am very pleased I don't have to think about Moeaki on our roster anymore.

Honestly I'd rather have Lance Kendricks over either.

Direckshun · 11-17-2014, 01:50 AM

If I were Dorsey, I'd probably get Parker inked right now. This early, you can probably get him around $2m/year, and probably cheaper.

I think Dane is overselling him -- Parker's only produced for less than one season. He's only played CB effectively for two games. Nobody's shelling out $4m/year for him yet.

I also extend Berry at about $8m/year. He has played well coming back from injury, and played very well in Buffalo and this week.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-17-2014, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

If I were Dorsey, I'd probably get Parker inked right now. This early, you can probably get him around $2m/year, and probably cheaper.

I think Dane is overselling him -- Parker's only produced for less than one season. He's only played CB effectively for two games. Nobody's shelling out $4m/year for him yet.

I also extend Berry at about $8m/year. He has played well coming back from injury, and played very well in Buffalo and this week.

$2 million? For a starting CB/Safety that's a bonafide playmaker?

There would be 32 teams lined up to sign that guy for $2 million.

Saccopoo · 11-17-2014, 08:56 PM

Rubblebucket sucks, btw.

Where are you finding these hellaciously bad bands?

Are they like the opening band for your mock? So that, by comparison, it looks half-way decent?

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-17-2014, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I would rather have Fasano over Moeaki. I am very pleased I don't have to think about Moeaki on our roster anymore.

Honestly I'd rather have Lance Kendricks over either.

Fasano has been paid around $8 million dollars for 43 catches, 5 TD's and 18 games.

Weak.

Direckshun · 11-18-2014, 08:45 AM

I don't disagree.

Direckshun · 11-18-2014, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Rubblebucket sucks, btw.

Where are you finding these hellaciously bad bands?

Are they like the opening band for your mock? So that, by comparison, it looks half-way decent?

Outstanding.

Direckshun · 11-18-2014, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

$2 million? For a starting CB/Safety that's a bonafide playmaker?

There would be 32 teams lined up to sign that guy for $2 million.

Again, he's only showed he's a starting caliber CB for less than a month's worth of play. Although he's been a good starting safety all year.

I think if he hits the free market, his price shoots up to what you're suggesting.

If the Chiefs ink him now, you get him at a significant discount.

Abdullah was a starting caliber safety last year too, but because there wasn't that much of a sample size, the Chiefs locked him in for a superbly cheap deal.

KC native · 11-18-2014, 10:27 AM

I hate this draft because it has us taking a player from baylor.

Direckshun · 11-18-2014, 11:24 AM

The kicker at the top of my board (in November) is Notre Dame's Kyle Brindza.

The more I look at him, though, the earlier he's going to go in the Draft.

11-14-2014, 12:05 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2143447	Mock (11/14) Assumptions: 1. The Chiefs finish 9-7, make the playoffs, and get drummed out of the first round by the Pittsburgh Steelers. Because we are the Chiefs. We end up picking #23. All staff is retained. 2. The team fails to extend OLB Justin Houston and has to franchise tag him. They do, however, extend S Eric Berry at some point over the next 12 months for about $8-9m a year. Tamba Hali, who for some reason fell off hardcore and only musters 7 sacks by the end of the year, agrees to a three-year extension for $22m ($10m guaranteed), getting a gigantic signing bonus but technically only playing for the vet minimum in 2015. 3. The Chiefs re-sign C Rodney Hudson to a 4 year, $20m deal ($6m guaranteed), DE Kevin Vickerson to a 2 year, $2m deal, and S Ron Parker to a 3 year, $5m deal ($1m guaranteed). 4. The Chiefs cut WR Donnie Avery, WR A.J. Jenkins, TE Anthony Fasano, DE Mike DeVito, ILB Derrick Johnson, CB Jamell Fleming. 5. The Chiefs tender OLB Josh Martin. 6. The Chiefs let walk RB Joe McKnight, WR Junior Hemingway, WR Frankie Hammond, TE Demetrius Harris, OT Ryan Harris, OG Jeff Linkenbach, OG Mike McGlynn, DE Allen Bailey, S Kurt Coleman, and S Kelcie McCray. 7. The Chiefs re-sign ILB Josh Mauga, CB Chris Owens, and LS Thomas Gafford to minimal deals. 8. The Chiefs sign WR Cecil Shorts (Jaguars) to a 4 year, $20m ($6m guaranteed) deal, WR Jermaine Kearse (Seahawks) to a 3 year, $9m ($1m guaranteed) deal, TE Lance Kendricks (Rams) to a 2 year, $4m deal. 9. They receive four compensatory picks: a 3rd (Albert), two 5ths (Asamoah + Jackson), and a 7th (McCluster). On with the show: 1.23. DE Mario Edwards, Jr., Florida State The Chiefs are in Super Bowl contention in 2015. They've put together an offense that will give Alex Smith tons of options on every down, and should stay together in its entirety for at least two years: Charles, Davis, DAT, Bowe, Shorts, Kearse, Kelce, and Kendricks. They've also retained Hali for a few more years, to allow Dee Ford more time to develop, and they've got enough options at both corner and safety. The biggest loss of this hypothetical offseason is Allen Bailey. DJ has at least been adequately replaced by Mauga (and my 2nd round pick), but there is no substitution for the heat that Bailey could bring. Edwards, however, is a perfect example of a Dorsey selection. At 6'3", 295 lbs, he was illfitted at rushbacker for the Seminoles, but he did show tons of explosion and power rushing the passer. The Chiefs have Kevin Vickerson, Jaye Howard, and Mike Catapano at DE, but the more time the coaches get with Super Mario, he's going to have ridiculous upside. 2.55. ILB Eric Kendricks, UCLA The Chiefs need a leader who can hit hard, penetrate the pocket, and drop into coverage at the ILB position. Mauga can do all three decently. JMJ can only really cover. And Joe Mays can only really hit hard. Kendricks is the best talent they've drafted at the position since DJ himself. 3.87. OG Josue Matias, Florida State Matias is a powerful run blocker at the point of attack, and would immediately compete to start against Jeff Allen at LG. Surrounded by Fisher, Hudson, and Fulton, all of whom will have another year under their belts, Matias could honestly plug-and-play just fine. 3.96. CB Jalen Collins, LSU A guy who times poorly, but plays face, the 6'2" Collins can provide a lot more length and lockdown ability for the Chiefs' secondary. 4.124. CB/S Byron Jones, Connecticut Jones is a 6'0" corner with safety experience. Due to his season-ending shoulder surgery, it's hard to tell where exactly he'll fall, but if Sutton wants to commit more to this off-man zone he's been running, Jones is a perfect candidate. 5.163. NT Phillip Dukes, South Carolina Vance Walker costs a lot for a guy that plays 10 snaps a game. We're probably going to have to keep him for another year, but Dukes will give us some options if we want to part ways in 2016. 5.174. TE Tyler Kroft, Rutgers Dorsey, for ONCE in his life, takes a step outside his prototype for the TE position. Demetrius Harris was barely panning out, and the Chiefs need a 3rd TE for their 3 TE sets. Kroft is an athletic receiving TE who can benefit from some coaching on his blocking abilities -- if they could teach a basketball player to do it, they can teach a lifelong TE to do it. 5.175. WR Malcolm Mitchell, Georgia An incredible receiving talent that the Chiefs can afford to gamble on since, including DAT, the Chiefs are now four-deep at WR. Mitchell is just a fantastic player, but has struggled with multiple injures in his legs at Georgia. 6.193. RB Josh Robinson, Mississippi State A thick bowling ball that give the Chiefs a little more muscle. 7.238. K Spencer Roth, Baylor An excellent kicker under pressure, and it's honestly time we challenge Cairo Santos again. We get it, Dave Toub, you can turn anybody into an effect special teamer. Please replace the midget. 7.254. OT Rob Havenstein, Wisconsin A large, powerful runblocker, the Chiefs can bench Havenstein to get his pass protection up to snuff for a year or two.
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11-17-2014, 01:50 AM	#78
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2143447	If I were Dorsey, I'd probably get Parker inked right now. This early, you can probably get him around $2m/year, and probably cheaper. I think Dane is overselling him -- Parker's only produced for less than one season. He's only played CB effectively for two games. Nobody's shelling out $4m/year for him yet. I also extend Berry at about $8m/year. He has played well coming back from injury, and played very well in Buffalo and this week.
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11-17-2014, 08:56 PM	#80
Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	Rubblebucket sucks, btw. Where are you finding these hellaciously bad bands? Are they like the opening band for your mock? So that, by comparison, it looks half-way decent?
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11-18-2014, 08:45 AM	#82
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2143447	I don't disagree.
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11-18-2014, 11:24 AM	#86
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2143447	The kicker at the top of my board (in November) is Notre Dame's Kyle Brindza. The more I look at him, though, the earlier he's going to go in the Draft.
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