Chiefs Phillip Gaines - Page 6

Chiefshrink · 09-01-2014, 01:52 PM

I haven't had a chance to thoroughly watch the first 3 pre-season games but did watch all of the GB game. Gaines played horrible against 2nd and 3rd string offenses of GB. Has he played this bad all pre-season ? What is your take on the kid so far ?

**MahiMike** · 09-02-2014, 08:02 AM

He's a kid. Give him some time.

Saccopoo · 09-02-2014, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

In the third round, your option is to go for underwear champs or to go for either good players at less important positions or safe picks who are average but have no ceiling. I'm glad we're finally taking gambles. This was a good pick. I don't care if he pans out or not.

There was a lot of guys still on the board that could have been had with our fourth round pick that I personally felt were better than Gaines.

Dontae Johnson, Nevin Lawson, Pierre Desir.

I think it was a reach. Not a huge one, but there were a lot of guys who people had rated higher still on the board.

Revisionist history, but how the draft and our free agency ended up, I would have had the following as my draft picks:

1. Darqueze Dennard, CB; Michigan State
3. Donte Moncrief, WR; Ole Miss
4. Cyril Richardson, OL; Baylor
5. Ryan Carrethers, DT; Arkansas State
6. Jeff Janis, WR; Saginaw State
6. Trevor Reilly, LB; Utah

And Albert Wilson and Dan Sorensen would have been my priority UDFA's. So at least Dorsey and I agreed on that.

I never expected Dennard to be on the board when we picked as I felt he was actually the best shut down corner in the draft.

Sandy Vagina · 09-02-2014, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

There was a lot of guys still on the board that could have been had with our fourth round pick that I personally felt were better than Gaines.

Dontae Johnson, Nevin Lawson, Pierre Desir.

I think it was a reach. Not a huge one, but there were a lot of guys who people had rated higher still on the board.

Revisionist history, but how the draft and our free agency ended up, I would have had the following as my draft picks:

1. Darqueze Dennard, CB; Michigan State
3. Donte Moncrief, WR; Ole Miss
4. Cyril Richardson, OL; Baylor
5. Ryan Carrethers, DT; Arkansas State
6. Jeff Janis, WR; Saginaw State
6. Trevor Reilly, LB; Utah

And Albert Wilson and Dan Sorensen would have been my priority UDFA's. So at least Dorsey and I agreed on that.

I never expected Dennard to be on the board when we picked as I felt he was actually the best shut down corner in the draft.

I'd have really liked your draft... but I don't think those 3 above were as good as Gaines... and I'd be more worried about the pass rush if Hali and/or Houston got injured again.

Direckshun · 09-02-2014, 09:05 AM

The way the board fell, I would have taken Bridgewater at 23.

I would have thought reeeeeally hard about Ra'Shede Hageman.

In the third, I probably would have gone WR Donte Moncrief or WR Bruce Ellington. Maaaaaaaaybe a corner. But probably WR.

In the 4th, I would probably have taken OG Dakota Dozier or CB Pierre Desir.

In the 5th, I would have taken CB/S Antone Exum or WR Jared Abbrederis.

In the 6th, I would have taken DT Daniel McCullers and RB Marion Grice.

You tell me:

1. QB Teddy Bridgewater
3. WR Donte Moncrief
4. OG Dakota Dozier
5. CB/S Antone Exum
6. NT Daniel McCullers
6. RB Marion Grice

RunKC · 09-02-2014, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

There was a lot of guys still on the board that could have been had with our fourth round pick that I personally felt were better than Gaines.

Dontae Johnson, Nevin Lawson, Pierre Desir.

I think it was a reach. Not a huge one, but there were a lot of guys who people had rated higher still on the board.

Revisionist history, but how the draft and our free agency ended up, I would have had the following as my draft picks:

1. Darqueze Dennard, CB; Michigan State
3. Donte Moncrief, WR; Ole Miss
4. Cyril Richardson, OL; Baylor
5. Ryan Carrethers, DT; Arkansas State
6. Jeff Janis, WR; Saginaw State
6. Trevor Reilly, LB; Utah

And Albert Wilson and Dan Sorensen would have been my priority UDFA's. So at least Dorsey and I agreed on that.

I never expected Dennard to be on the board when we picked as I felt he was actually the best shut down corner in the draft.

Not a chance. In this new league I'm not taking slow CB's like Dennard and Desir. Gaines was among the fastest/quickest players at the draft.
He's got the long frame to help get his hands in the path of the ball and the athletic ability to stay with the fastest receivers.

Gaines struggled against the Packers bc of his size. He needs to add at least 10 lbs of strength next offseason. He's learning the position well, but needs that strength at the LOS.

RunKC · 09-02-2014, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

The way the board fell, I would have taken Bridgewater at 23.

I would have thought reeeeeally hard about Ra'Shede Hageman.

In the third, I probably would have gone WR Donte Moncrief or WR Bruce Ellington. Maaaaaaaaybe a corner. But probably WR.

In the 4th, I would probably have taken OG Dakota Dozier or CB Pierre Desir.

In the 5th, I would have taken CB/S Antone Exum or WR Jared Abbrederis.

In the 6th, I would have taken DT Daniel McCullers and RB Marion Grice.

You tell me:

1. QB Teddy Bridgewater
3. WR Donte Moncrief
4. OG Dakota Dozier
5. CB/S Antone Exum
6. NT Daniel McCullers
6. RB Marion Grice

I was thinking Avant and Cason in free agency then..

1. S Jimmie Ward
3. G Chris Watt
4. KR DAT
5. Trade our 6th to move up and get Aaron Lynch
6. LDT ( I like his potential)

**The Franchise** · 09-02-2014, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

There was a lot of guys still on the board that could have been had with our fourth round pick that I personally felt were better than Gaines.

Dontae Johnson, Nevin Lawson, Pierre Desir.

I think it was a reach. Not a huge one, but there were a lot of guys who people had rated higher still on the board.

Revisionist history, but how the draft and our free agency ended up, I would have had the following as my draft picks:

1. Darqueze Dennard, CB; Michigan State
3. Donte Moncrief, WR; Ole Miss
4. Cyril Richardson, OL; Baylor
5. Ryan Carrethers, DT; Arkansas State
6. Jeff Janis, WR; Saginaw State
6. Trevor Reilly, LB; Utah

And Albert Wilson and Dan Sorensen would have been my priority UDFA's. So at least Dorsey and I agreed on that.

I never expected Dennard to be on the board when we picked as I felt he was actually the best shut down corner in the draft.

I'll play.

1. Jimmie Ward, FS, Northern Illinois
3. Donte Moncrief, WR, Ole Miss
4. Dakota Dozier, OG/OT, Furman
5. Zach Mettenberger, QB, LSU
6. Jeff Janis, WR, Saginaw State
6. Dan McCullers, NT, Tennessee

RunKC · 09-02-2014, 09:26 AM

Seriously how much better would this secondary be right now with Cason and Ward in it? My God.

And Cason was very affordable for us.

Sandy Vagina · 09-02-2014, 09:31 AM

Some very nice drafts above, gents... Ward was definitely one of my favorite picks for KC....

Direckshun · 09-02-2014, 09:35 AM

You guys taking Dennard or Ward over Bridgewater are high on shrooms.

**The Franchise** · 09-02-2014, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

You guys taking Dennard or Ward over Bridgewater are high on shrooms.

To sit around for another 4 years behind Smith?

Chiefnj2 · 09-02-2014, 09:38 AM

Andy is sticking with Smith. Drafting a QB in the first does nothing to help this team in the next three years. Heck, even if Alex gets hurt, no rookie is going to develop with this OL and limited receiving group.

RunKC · 09-02-2014, 09:39 AM

Direkshun have you been watching Hardknocks? I have and I'm glad we didn't take Hageman. He just doesn't seem like a first rd pick to me. He doesn't appear to be very tough either in his personality. More of a class clown type.

Direckshun · 09-02-2014, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Direkshun have you been watching Hardknocks? I have and I'm glad we didn't take Hageman. He just doesn't seem like a first rd pick to me. He doesn't appear to be very tough either in his personality. More of a class clown type.

I made my selections in my post a few posts back ignoring hindsight.

I was hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh as a mother****er on Hageman going into the Draft.

Direckshun · 09-02-2014, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

To sit around for another 4 years behind Smith?

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Andy is sticking with Smith. Drafting a QB in the first does nothing to help this team in the next three years. Heck, even if Alex gets hurt, no rookie is going to develop with this OL and limited receiving group.

And yet, Andy Reid was almost certainly going to draft Johnny Football if he had lasted another pick.

09-01-2014, 01:52 PM
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09-02-2014, 09:05 AM	#79
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2143447	The way the board fell, I would have taken Bridgewater at 23. I would have thought reeeeeally hard about Ra'Shede Hageman. In the third, I probably would have gone WR Donte Moncrief or WR Bruce Ellington. Maaaaaaaaybe a corner. But probably WR. In the 4th, I would probably have taken OG Dakota Dozier or CB Pierre Desir. In the 5th, I would have taken CB/S Antone Exum or WR Jared Abbrederis. In the 6th, I would have taken DT Daniel McCullers and RB Marion Grice. You tell me: 1. QB Teddy Bridgewater 3. WR Donte Moncrief 4. OG Dakota Dozier 5. CB/S Antone Exum 6. NT Daniel McCullers 6. RB Marion Grice
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09-02-2014, 09:26 AM	#83
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1390389	Seriously how much better would this secondary be right now with Cason and Ward in it? My God. And Cason was very affordable for us. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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09-02-2014, 09:35 AM	#85
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2143447	You guys taking Dennard or Ward over Bridgewater are high on shrooms.
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09-02-2014, 09:38 AM	#87
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6674388	Andy is sticking with Smith. Drafting a QB in the first does nothing to help this team in the next three years. Heck, even if Alex gets hurt, no rookie is going to develop with this OL and limited receiving group. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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09-02-2014, 09:39 AM	#88
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1390389	Direkshun have you been watching Hardknocks? I have and I'm glad we didn't take Hageman. He just doesn't seem like a first rd pick to me. He doesn't appear to be very tough either in his personality. More of a class clown type. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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