Dirty Politics - 24 year old Drunk Driving "Breaking News" on Bush - Page 6

milkman · 11-02-2000, 11:03 PM

I'm surprised none of our resident political types have started this, but its a slow night, so what the hell.

On the eve of the election, a Portland, Maine reporter broke the story that GW was arrested for drunk driving in 1976. This is, of course, the political equivalent of a brand new Ferrari for the liberal press, and they've got it red-lined already.

Thoughts on this:

1. Funny how this broke four days before the election. I'm sure the Gore camp had nothing to do with it... [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif[/img]

2. IT WAS 24 YEARS AGO! It's not like the guy got crocked and plowed into a school bus last week.

3. The libs are painting this as a character issue, labeling GW a hypocrit for not disclosing this incident, yet railing on the moral indiscretions of Gore and Clinton. GW says he kept it quiet because he didn't want his kids to know about it. Hmm... it seems to me that the President of the United States lying under oath is a bit more damning that not disclosing that GW once got a DUI decades ago. Perhaps that's just me.

4. GW says he quit drinking 14 years ago.

5. Like the guy drives himself anywhere, anyway!

I hope the American public can see this for what it so obviously is - a timebomb Gore has known about, probably for months, that is dropped at the 11th hour in an attempt to salvage his mercifully-failing campaign. This is dirty politics at its worst. As a result of this, I support GW more strongly than ever now.

**alanm** · 11-03-2000, 01:38 PM

BroncoFan-

Yep, it was a big deal, just like any Dick is a big deal. He should be ashamed that he was Dick. The same criteria obtains whether Dick is a Broncos QB, a Presidential candidate or a once and future Engineer.

Did you expect that I would suddenly reverse my stand on drunk driving because I find out that a politician was Dick over two decades ago? Sorry, BF, my moral foundation is more solid than that.

I still consider Bush the lesser of two evils. A 24-year old Dick episode doesn't change that.

xoxo~
gaz
Dick for a Day about 28 years ago.

11-03-2000, 01:43 PM

There are absolutely no facts to support a charge of cocaine use. No corraborating testimony from any of his friends who would have known. Nothing. Nada.

This was, again, a rumor started by the Democratic party, not based on facts, to scorch and burn the Bush camp. The only "witness" was a convicted drug dealer, sitting in jail, with a reputation for being "loose" with the truth...

Now why would a convicted drug dealer cooperate? Hmmmm.... I can think of lots of reasons...

Gracie Dean · 11-03-2000, 01:45 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Bush admits to using cocaine when he was young. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Three words for you Disco - SHOW ME WHERE.

Bush has consistently refused to confirm or deny any drug use other than alcohol at any point in his life. Positions of issues of governance aside, I applaud this tact as possibly the only way to wean the media of its bloodthirsty quest for drama in a political campaign. You can believe that his refusal to answer is an admission. You can believe it is a principled stand. But you cannot know anything.

[This message has been edited by JC-Johnny (edited 11-03-2000).]

TCB · 11-03-2000, 01:46 PM

Only shallow and hateful people will make an issue of this OUI thing. I feel sorry for George Bush that he has to deal with this so close to Election day.

One thing I do find interesting is that in '94 Ross Perot endorsed Ann Richards(D) for Governor of Texas. I suppose Ross wants GWB for President so he can keep a few million in his pocket come tax day.

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11-03-2000, 01:52 PM

Here are my predictions for the Chiefs and the election:

- Chiefs romp Raiders (40-21)
- Bush stampedes to White House (300 Electoral votes)

The reasoning?
The Chiefs are motivated, baby!
The polls, depending on the wording of the questions, do NOT reflect the likely voter turnout, but are being used to make the race closer than it actually is...

chiefsnathan · 11-03-2000, 01:58 PM

Titus:

Sorry, but your missing my point. I don't give a damn about Bush's DUI. In fact, I think its silly BS that its even being brought up. If you can't be forgiven for your mistakes, what the hell is the use of even trying to self improve?

I just love the hypocrisy. The Republicans set the precedent for this sort of irrelevance with Dukakis and continued on through Clinton. Now, the worm turns and they're all screaming bloody murder. The thing is, if its relevant to some of you when a Democrat shows a lack of judgement, why not when one of your beloved Republicans does the same?

Thats my point.

[This message has been edited by Donkey Drew (edited 11-03-2000).]

Raiderhater · 11-03-2000, 02:03 PM

No, didnt miss the point. Thanks, however, for proving mine.

It's obvious you love hypocrisy, you practice it nicely.

[This message has been edited by KCTitus (edited 11-03-2000).]

11-03-2000, 02:05 PM

I still think it's funny that it was the Republican witchhunt, and not Clinton's blatant disregard for the law, that is at issue in this hypocrisy debate.

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Gracie Dean · 11-03-2000, 02:08 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> One thing I do find interesting is that in '94 Ross Perot endorsed Ann Richards(D) for Governor of Texas. I suppose Ross wants GWB for President so he can keep a few million in his pocket come tax day. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually, this WAS one of the most interesting parts of the interview. Pee-row said he endorsed Ann Richards because he had the same questions of experience and ability regarding Bush that some are having now on a national level. He though Ann's job experience gave her an edge. However, in the past 6 years, Ross has observed that Bush has done a much better job than he imagined Bush could. More enticing for Ross, was that Bush accomplished his success in government in much the same way Ross did in the private sector, by admitting that he cannot be the smartest guy in the room on every issue and finding, placed, and trusting competent and principled advisors from a broad range of backgrounds and expertise.

chiefsnathan · 11-03-2000, 02:08 PM

Titus:

You are an absolute kick in the rear!!!

By the way, are you changing your vote now?

diz · 11-03-2000, 02:13 PM

Thanks to all who have replied to my post re Bush and the coke. I don't remember EXACTLY where I first read about it, and it was quite a long time ago (towards the beginning of this whole campaign deal), but I will try to do some research and see what I find one way or the other. If he didn't do it, I will have more respect for him. If he did do it and admitted it, I will have more respect for him. Now, if he did do it, but hasn't admitted it, I don't think any conclusion can be drawn - I don't even know how anyone could truely know. Fair enough?

Raiderhater · 11-03-2000, 02:15 PM

Thanks. Why would I change my vote?

Gracie Dean · 11-03-2000, 02:22 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Ha!!!! I just saw another DUI arrest report for Austin, Texas!!! Same year!!! W. got the Duece!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The only mention of Austin is as below;
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The Dallas Morning News on Friday reported that Bush was called for jury service in a 1996 drunken driving case in Austin, but was dismissed from the panel before potential jurors were questioned about their histories of drinking and driving. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Donkeyboy - admit you can't read, or admit you're lying, or SHOW US something different to corroborate your childish snarking.

chiefsnathan · 11-03-2000, 02:25 PM

Titus:

All these character issues. The man wasn't forthright about his past. He snorted cocaine!!! He made a $1,000,000 on a stock deal one week before the company announced unexpected poor earnings, and the stock dove!!! He's been using verbal trickery to exaggerate his record in Texas!!!

The guy doesn't have anymore character than Clinton. Why doesn't the standard apply across the board?

Raiderhater · 11-03-2000, 02:27 PM

Drew: but you convinced me earlier that Clinton's character didnt matter so I assume, like you say, the standard applies to Bush as well.

11-03-2000, 01:38 PM	#76
alanm Feeling Victorian Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Nebraska/Wyoming/Colorado Casino cash: $-113564	BroncoFan- Yep, it was a big deal, just like any Dick is a big deal. He should be ashamed that he was Dick. The same criteria obtains whether Dick is a Broncos QB, a Presidential candidate or a once and future Engineer. Did you expect that I would suddenly reverse my stand on drunk driving because I find out that a politician was Dick over two decades ago? Sorry, BF, my moral foundation is more solid than that. I still consider Bush the lesser of two evils. A 24-year old Dick episode doesn't change that. xoxo~ gaz Dick for a Day about 28 years ago.<BR>
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11-03-2000, 01:43 PM	#77
AustinChief Guest Casino cash: $	There are absolutely no facts to support a charge of cocaine use. No corraborating testimony from any of his friends who would have known. Nothing. Nada. This was, again, a rumor started by the Democratic party, not based on facts, to scorch and burn the Bush camp. The only "witness" was a convicted drug dealer, sitting in jail, with a reputation for being "loose" with the truth... Now why would a convicted drug dealer cooperate? Hmmmm.... I can think of lots of reasons...
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11-03-2000, 01:45 PM	#78
Gracie Dean MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Helvetica, verdana, ariel">quote:</font><HR> Bush admits to using cocaine when he was young. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Three words for you Disco - SHOW ME WHERE. Bush has consistently refused to confirm or deny any drug use other than alcohol at any point in his life. Positions of issues of governance aside, I applaud this tact as possibly the only way to wean the media of its bloodthirsty quest for drama in a political campaign. You can believe that his refusal to answer is an admission. You can believe it is a principled stand. But you cannot know anything. [This message has been edited by JC-Johnny (edited 11-03-2000).]
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11-03-2000, 01:46 PM	#79
TCB confused Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Springfild, Mo. Casino cash: $10004900	Only shallow and hateful people will make an issue of this OUI thing. I feel sorry for George Bush that he has to deal with this so close to Election day. One thing I do find interesting is that in '94 Ross Perot endorsed Ann Richards(D) for Governor of Texas. I suppose Ross wants GWB for President so he can keep a few million in his pocket come tax day. ------------------ C.R. Pants (The Resident Liberal)
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11-03-2000, 01:52 PM	#80
AustinChief Guest Casino cash: $	Here are my predictions for the Chiefs and the election: - Chiefs romp Raiders (40-21) - Bush stampedes to White House (300 Electoral votes) The reasoning? The Chiefs are motivated, baby! The polls, depending on the wording of the questions, do NOT reflect the likely voter turnout, but are being used to make the race closer than it actually is...<BR>
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11-02-2000, 11:03 PM
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	I'm surprised none of our resident political types have started this, but its a slow night, so what the hell. On the eve of the election, a Portland, Maine reporter broke the story that GW was arrested for drunk driving in 1976. This is, of course, the political equivalent of a brand new Ferrari for the liberal press, and they've got it red-lined already. Thoughts on this: 1. Funny how this broke four days before the election. I'm sure the Gore camp had nothing to do with it... [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif[/img] 2. IT WAS 24 YEARS AGO! It's not like the guy got crocked and plowed into a school bus last week. 3. The libs are painting this as a character issue, labeling GW a hypocrit for not disclosing this incident, yet railing on the moral indiscretions of Gore and Clinton. GW says he kept it quiet because he didn't want his kids to know about it. Hmm... it seems to me that the President of the United States lying under oath is a bit more damning that not disclosing that GW once got a DUI decades ago. Perhaps that's just me. 4. GW says he quit drinking 14 years ago. 5. Like the guy drives himself anywhere, anyway! I hope the American public can see this for what it so obviously is - a timebomb Gore has known about, probably for months, that is dropped at the 11th hour in an attempt to salvage his mercifully-failing campaign. This is dirty politics at its worst. As a result of this, I support GW more strongly than ever now.
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11-03-2000, 01:58 PM	#81
chiefsnathan Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	Titus: Sorry, but your missing my point. I don't give a damn about Bush's DUI. In fact, I think its silly BS that its even being brought up. If you can't be forgiven for your mistakes, what the hell is the use of even trying to self improve? I just love the hypocrisy. The Republicans set the precedent for this sort of irrelevance with Dukakis and continued on through Clinton. Now, the worm turns and they're all screaming bloody murder. The thing is, if its relevant to some of you when a Democrat shows a lack of judgement, why not when one of your beloved Republicans does the same? Thats my point. [This message has been edited by Donkey Drew (edited 11-03-2000).]
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11-03-2000, 02:03 PM	#82
Raiderhater Tried it on and it fit Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: A Webb of chaos Casino cash: $-1387979	No, didnt miss the point. Thanks, however, for proving mine. It's obvious you love hypocrisy, you practice it nicely. [This message has been edited by KCTitus (edited 11-03-2000).]
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11-03-2000, 02:05 PM	#83
AustinChief Guest Casino cash: $	I still think it's funny that it was the Republican witchhunt, and not Clinton's blatant disregard for the law, that is at issue in this hypocrisy debate. ------------------ Parker [b]ChiefsPlanet Administrator</B>
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11-03-2000, 02:08 PM	#84
Gracie Dean MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Helvetica, verdana, ariel">quote:</font><HR> One thing I do find interesting is that in '94 Ross Perot endorsed Ann Richards(D) for Governor of Texas. I suppose Ross wants GWB for President so he can keep a few million in his pocket come tax day. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Actually, this WAS one of the most interesting parts of the interview. Pee-row said he endorsed Ann Richards because he had the same questions of experience and ability regarding Bush that some are having now on a national level. He though Ann's job experience gave her an edge. However, in the past 6 years, Ross has observed that Bush has done a much better job than he imagined Bush could. More enticing for Ross, was that Bush accomplished his success in government in much the same way Ross did in the private sector, by admitting that he cannot be the smartest guy in the room on every issue and finding, placed, and trusting competent and principled advisors from a broad range of backgrounds and expertise.
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11-03-2000, 02:13 PM	#86
diz Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Thanks to all who have replied to my post re Bush and the coke. I don't remember EXACTLY where I first read about it, and it was quite a long time ago (towards the beginning of this whole campaign deal), but I will try to do some research and see what I find one way or the other. If he didn't do it, I will have more respect for him. If he did do it and admitted it, I will have more respect for him. Now, if he did do it, but hasn't admitted it, I don't think any conclusion can be drawn - I don't even know how anyone could truely know. Fair enough?
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11-03-2000, 02:15 PM	#87
Raiderhater Tried it on and it fit Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: A Webb of chaos Casino cash: $-1387979	Thanks. Why would I change my vote?
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11-03-2000, 02:22 PM	#88
Gracie Dean MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Helvetica, verdana, ariel">quote:</font><HR> Ha!!!! I just saw another DUI arrest report for Austin, Texas!!! Same year!!! W. got the Duece!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> The only mention of Austin is as below; <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Helvetica, verdana, ariel">quote:</font><HR> The Dallas Morning News on Friday reported that Bush was called for jury service in a 1996 drunken driving case in Austin, but was dismissed from the panel before potential jurors were questioned about their histories of drinking and driving. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Donkeyboy - admit you can't read, or admit you're lying, or SHOW US something different to corroborate your childish snarking.
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11-03-2000, 02:25 PM	#89
chiefsnathan Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	Titus: All these character issues. The man wasn't forthright about his past. He snorted cocaine!!! He made a $1,000,000 on a stock deal one week before the company announced unexpected poor earnings, and the stock dove!!! He's been using verbal trickery to exaggerate his record in Texas!!! The guy doesn't have anymore character than Clinton. Why doesn't the standard apply across the board?<P>
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11-03-2000, 02:27 PM	#90
Raiderhater Tried it on and it fit Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: A Webb of chaos Casino cash: $-1387979	Drew: but you convinced me earlier that Clinton's character didnt matter so I assume, like you say, the standard applies to Bush as well.
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