Chiefs Glenn Dorsey: From Tradable Asset To Key To The Defense - Page 6

T-post Tom · 08-08-2009, 12:15 AM

A few months ago, when Scott Pioli and the Chiefs first decided they would run the 3-4 defense this year, Glenn Dorsey seemed destined for one of two things: a trade, or failure.

Dorsey's skill set and body type just do not fit what most people think about typical 3-4 defensive lineman; he is not heavy or squat enough to play nose tackle, and he is not tall and athletic enough to play defensive end.

3-4 linemen are supposed to take up blocks and let the linebackers do the work, not penetrate and blow things up in the backfield, and that is exactly what Dorsey is best at doing.

We weren't the only one's who made this connection—that Dorsey's unique skill set would go to waste in the 3-4—the Chiefs realized this too, and made adjustments.

“A lot of people are thinking this is a straight 3-4 defense and it’s not,” said Dorsey. “Being at an end is a new place for me, but it’s not going to be a classic 3-4 end on every snap."

"There's a place for me on this defense."

So here's the plan, the Chiefs will be implementing some sort of 3-4/4-3 hybrid that was run in Arizona last year by defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast that was called the "4-3 Under" by the Cardinals linebacker coach, Bill Davis.

Glenn Dorsey won't be lining up heads up over the offensive tackle, in the five-technique, on most downs. Instead, he will be shaded slightly inside, between the guard and tackle.

Lining up in this manner will allow Dorsey to play a more typical 4-3 defensive tackle role and shoot the gap when the ball is snapped. Disrupting the offense in this way allows Dorsey to utilize his unique skill set to the fullest extent.

Playing outside of him in the DE/OLB role will most likely be Tamba Hali, who on most snaps will solely be rushing the passer. He mainly will be left one-on-one with the left tackle and is expected to be able to beat him on most snaps, especially given he will start from a two point stance most of the time.
With Hali occupying the left tackle, and nose tackle Tank Tyler most likely double teamed by the center and right guard, Dorsey will be left one on one with the left guard. Dorsey left one-on-one with a guard is a match up I will take any day of the week.

This combination of rare positions side by side will not only confuse the defenses, but will apply pressure on the quarterback's blindside from two different positions, causing even more chaos.

Getting this kind of pressure from a defensive end in a 3-4(ish) scheme is very unique, and is sure to cause confusion for the opposing offensive line. Only the Cardinals have run this scheme before, and is still very new to the NFL.

Hopefully the Chiefs will be able to exploit this new fad to the fullest, much like the "Wildcat" formation has done thus far.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...fense#comments

milkman · 08-09-2009, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX

I don't think Dorsey or Hali will be on this team in the near future.
Have fun at camp!

From what I've read, both Dorsey and Hali have really stepped up and impressed in the last couple of days.

Pasta Little Brioni · 08-09-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

From what I've read, both Dorsey and Hali have really stepped up and impressed in the last couple of days.

It is really good to hear that it sounds like Dorsey does have a place in this defense. Hali it seems is just going to be asked to go after the QB and spend very little time in coverage. Very encouraging that he's dropped weight and apparently looks quicker.

B_Ambuehl · 08-09-2009, 03:13 PM

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Actually, no. The Predator is primarily a pass rusher with very limited coverage responsibility.

First it was said that Hali was playing over the left tackle and rushing the QB. That's fine. If he lines up there he will be fulfilling that pass rushing role. But then someone came out and said that they'd switched Hali and Vrabel and now Vrabel was lining up over LT and Hali was on the other side.

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TRR:Vrabel and Hali have recently switched spots in the 3-4. Vrabel is now over the Left Tackle, and Hali is over the Right Tackle

Whoevers playing that other side will be in coverage more often then not.

Coverage is not the strong suit for either of those guys but I shudder at the thought of Tamba covering guys out of the backfield.

Hammock Parties · 08-09-2009, 03:34 PM

If Hali can't beat left tackles you might see them flop in obvious passing situations.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-09-2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

If Hali can't beat left tackles you might see them flop in obvious passing situations.

The one thing to consider about Hali, though, and it's something I'll be really interested in watching is... keep in mind that Hali has always been asked to max out his weight. Because he always seemed to be a tweener between an every-down DE like Mario Williams and an edge rusher like Berry.

Maybe if he plays 10 lbs lighter, he can move a little faster. I have no idea.

Fairplay · 08-09-2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Krab

Yes, it would.

Tyson Jackson is a stud DE the likes of Reggie White. Since that is about how is he was drafted and is getting paid.

Tank Tyler is a solid NT that holds the middle

Glenn Dorsey comes on in his 2nd year to live in opponents backfield.

Tamba Hali regains his quickness at the lighter weight and turns into a quality pass rusher

Derrick Johnson finally pulls his head of his ass and becomes a tackling machine

Put these together with our quality young cover guys and BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!!

That post has me all jacked up!

smittysbar · 08-09-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Where have you been dude?

Summertime, golf tourney's, family, and going out, doesn't leave much time. Ready for football season.

Chiefs=Champions · 08-09-2009, 08:15 PM

Could it be that we are overestimating Herm Edwards' coaching ablilities?? Thats a scary thought that all these player we have grown to consider busts may actually come good...

Sweet Daddy Hate · 08-09-2009, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs=Good

Could it be that we are overestimating Herm Edwards' coaching ablilities?? Thats a scary thought that all these player we have grown to consider busts may actually come good...

On the D-side I would say yes.
(so far anyway)

googlegoogle · 08-09-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

I don't think Dorsey or Hali will be on this team in the near future.
Have fun at camp!

did you wipe your ass today?

chiefzilla1501 · 08-09-2009, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs=Good

Could it be that we are overestimating Herm Edwards' coaching ablilities?? Thats a scary thought that all these player we have grown to consider busts may actually come good...

A lot of these players will be just fine. It's moreso because idiots think that players are useless if they're not pro bowlers within 3 seasons.

cwhocares · 09-09-2009, 06:29 AM

It's working out fine. If you watch, dorsey is getting double teamed which allows pressure from the outside. Our run defense seems to be better than last year.

Pasta Little Brioni · 09-09-2009, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by cwhocares

It's working out fine. If you watch, dorsey is getting double teamed which allows pressure from the outside. Our run defense seems to be better than last year.

They only gave up a little over 3 yards a carry in the preseason, so yes it does seem better.

We'll see what happens when the real games start.

**HemiEd** · 09-09-2009, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by cwhocares

It's working out fine. If you watch, dorsey is getting double teamed which allows pressure from the outside. Our run defense seems to be better than last year.

Good post, and welcome to the Planet.

TEX · 09-09-2009, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by googlegoogle

did you wipe your ass today?

Yep. But then you ate it for breakfast along with your reerun omlet...

Look up sarcasm in the dictionary. You might learn something other than how to eat wiped ass...

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T-post Tom Busy in a Kohl's restroom Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Milk/Honey/Gazland Casino cash: $1967293	Glenn Dorsey: From Tradable Asset To Key To The Defense A few months ago, when Scott Pioli and the Chiefs first decided they would run the 3-4 defense this year, Glenn Dorsey seemed destined for one of two things: a trade, or failure. Dorsey's skill set and body type just do not fit what most people think about typical 3-4 defensive lineman; he is not heavy or squat enough to play nose tackle, and he is not tall and athletic enough to play defensive end. 3-4 linemen are supposed to take up blocks and let the linebackers do the work, not penetrate and blow things up in the backfield, and that is exactly what Dorsey is best at doing. We weren't the only one's who made this connection—that Dorsey's unique skill set would go to waste in the 3-4—the Chiefs realized this too, and made adjustments. “A lot of people are thinking this is a straight 3-4 defense and it’s not,” said Dorsey. “Being at an end is a new place for me, but it’s not going to be a classic 3-4 end on every snap." "There's a place for me on this defense." So here's the plan, the Chiefs will be implementing some sort of 3-4/4-3 hybrid that was run in Arizona last year by defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast that was called the "4-3 Under" by the Cardinals linebacker coach, Bill Davis. Glenn Dorsey won't be lining up heads up over the offensive tackle, in the five-technique, on most downs. Instead, he will be shaded slightly inside, between the guard and tackle. Lining up in this manner will allow Dorsey to play a more typical 4-3 defensive tackle role and shoot the gap when the ball is snapped. Disrupting the offense in this way allows Dorsey to utilize his unique skill set to the fullest extent. Playing outside of him in the DE/OLB role will most likely be Tamba Hali, who on most snaps will solely be rushing the passer. He mainly will be left one-on-one with the left tackle and is expected to be able to beat him on most snaps, especially given he will start from a two point stance most of the time. With Hali occupying the left tackle, and nose tackle Tank Tyler most likely double teamed by the center and right guard, Dorsey will be left one on one with the left guard. Dorsey left one-on-one with a guard is a match up I will take any day of the week. This combination of rare positions side by side will not only confuse the defenses, but will apply pressure on the quarterback's blindside from two different positions, causing even more chaos. Getting this kind of pressure from a defensive end in a 3-4(ish) scheme is very unique, and is sure to cause confusion for the opposing offensive line. Only the Cardinals have run this scheme before, and is still very new to the NFL. Hopefully the Chiefs will be able to exploit this new fad to the fullest, much like the "Wildcat" formation has done thus far. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...fense#comments
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