Jeezuz folks get some perspective - Page 6

Dr. Johnny Fever · 08-25-2007, 05:35 PM

It isn't the end of the world that an unproven, inexperience QB didn't win the starting job right now. Earlier today I looked up at the sky and it is definately still up there. Hasn't fallen a bit.

Brodie isn't ready. It's that simple. He doesn't even have his mechanics down. He rushes things. He makes bad descisons. And he's got his whole career ahead of him. Don't you think maybe this will be a bit of a wake up call to him to get his shit together? Don't you think it will make him work even harder to be the guy we all hope he can be when the time comes? Isn't it better to let a guy who obviously isn't ready, sit back, get some perspective himself and come in once the O-line is (hopefully) a little more stable and LJ has found his stride?

Huard isn't great but he was solid last year and anyone who disputes that isn't looking at the big picture. Yes he had some issues. He was also the second rated passer in the NFL and lead us to the playoffs. It certainly wasn't his fault we didn't win once we were there. We know he can handle being the starter. Croyle.... not so much.

Excuse Herm and Carl and the whole organization for trying to put the best players on the field to start a season and maybe... just maybe trying to win a game or two. Many of us have little hope for a good season... no matter who plays QB. I'm glad the people who run the team don't have that same degree of low or no expectations. I mean how dare they try to compete with players who've proven they can.

Brodie will get his chance...probably even this year. I for one thank Herm and Carl for not handing the team over to a guy who may just get his ass and his confidence broken in two right from the start. Brodie will be a better QB later... when he's ready... for not having to try to sail a potentially sinkng ship now.

And who knows... we may not even be that bad.

**the Talking Can** · 08-26-2007, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Short? Croyle is 6'3".

he thinks we're talking about Madden 07....you know, the players are only a few inches high on the screen...

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-26-2007, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by beer me

It'll be 7-9 at best anyway.

EVEN MORE REASON to start Croyle.

TEX · 08-26-2007, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

That was ONE throw. You act like this is a regular occurance. It's not.

You're looking for something that isn't there.

He's made 2 bad throws off his back foot.

Otherwise, he's stepping into the throw and firing it.

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Dude, I've seen it. Furthermore, so have you. It's you that won't acknowledge something that IS there. It IS a regular occurance. Go back and watch all his picks - you'll see. Also, go back to last year and see if his "fling" - motiion isn't the same. (Preseason game 1 I believe - his only action before he hurt his arm/shoulder) It is - it's very obvious. I trust my eyes.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 08-26-2007, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

That was one pass and that is the only one anyone has named when they say he "throws off his back foot". One pass.

Misreading the defense caused that INT. He should not have even thrown that ball in that direction. It was a bad decision more than bad mechanics. If the read was right (man to man where the WR had beaten his man) that is a TD, even off his back foot.

If he'd thrown it to the back pilon that is a TD... but he bricked it because he had no forward momentum throwing off his back foot and he's no Brett Favre so he can't compensate for it.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 08-26-2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

EVEN MORE REASON to start Croyle.

Oh OK... 3-13 then

**cdcox** · 08-26-2007, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

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Dude, I've seen it. Furthermore, so have you. It's you that won't acknowledge something that IS there. It IS a regular occurance. Go back and watch all his picks - you'll see. Also, go back to last year and see if his "fling" - motiion isn't the same. (Preseason game 1 I believe - his only action before he hurt his arm/shoulder) It is - it's very obvious. I trust my eyes.

I can't wait for the first 20 times Huard throws off his back foot this year.

TEX · 08-26-2007, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

That was one pass and that is the only one anyone has named when they say he "throws off his back foot". One pass.

Misreading the defense caused that INT. He should not have even thrown that ball in that direction. It was a bad decision more than bad mechanics. If the read was right (man to man where the WR had beaten his man) that is a TD, even off his back foot.

Sorry, I disagree. It was man to man and it's a pick every time with a throw like that.

TEX · 08-26-2007, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

I can't wait for the first 20 times Huard throws off his back foot this year.

When he does, he'll throw over the top - and not just fling it.

KCChiefsMan · 08-26-2007, 02:18 PM

Huard will be the next Rich Gannon. Journeyman backup to NFL MVP

TEX · 08-26-2007, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hydrae

Don't even get me started on Medlock. I see nothing to show me that he is any better than Tynes.

Speaking of Tynes, the Chiefs sent him packing when he was first coming up for kicking like Medlock is now. They decided to keep Anderson instead. They traded him this time for kicking better than Medlock is now. I'm beginning to think he's a "prove-my-point" pick no matter how many kicks he blows. He flat out $UCKS! I can't believe that Herm won't bring anyone else in. I know he doesn't want to put pressure on the kid, but isn't a kicker supposed to learn how to handle PRESSURE?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-26-2007, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

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Dude, I've seen it. Furthermore, so have you. It's you that won't acknowledge something that IS there. It IS a regular occurance. Go back and watch all his picks - you'll see. Also, go back to last year and see if his "fling" - motiion isn't the same. (Preseason game 1 I believe - his only action before he hurt his arm/shoulder) It is - it's very obvious. I trust my eyes.

Now it's just on his picks?

A second ago, every throw he made was off his back foot. Make up your mind.

The INT in the Cleveland game was a bad decision REGARDLESS of his "mechanics." The play was to throw the ball away, and he could have done it from his ASS for all I care.

The INT in the Miami game was a bad decision and a bad throw. But I can't count how many QB's I've seen throw the fade from their back foot. If Croyle had gotten the ball to the back pylon, where it belonged, this wouldn't even be under discussion.

Croyle stepped into the throw in the Saints game perfectly. He made the right read. He just made the throw LATE.

Which is something that will be corrected with PLAYING TIME. As mentioned before, the speed of the game cannot be learned on the practice field or in film study.

TEX · 08-26-2007, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by beer me

If he'd thrown it to the back pilon that is a TD... but he bricked it because he had no forward momentum throwing off his back foot and he's no Brett Favre so he can't compensate for it.

THANK GOODNESS someone saw it as I did! It's there for EVERYONE to see if they just open their eyes. Man, the Emperor has no clothes around here...

TEX · 08-26-2007, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Now it's just on his picks?

A second ago, every throw he made was off his back foot. Make up your mind.

The INT in the Cleveland game was a bad decision REGARDLESS of his "mechanics." The play was to throw the ball away, and he could have done it from his ASS for all I care.

The INT in the Miami game was a bad decision and a bad throw. But I can't count how many QB's I've seen throw the fade from their back foot. If Croyle had gotten the ball to the back pylon, where it belonged, this wouldn't even be under discussion.

Croyle stepped into the throw in the Saints game perfectly. He made the right read. He just made the throw LATE.

Which is something that will be corrected with PLAYING TIME. As mentioned before, the speed of the game cannot be learned on the practice field or in film study.

You're hopless. You're so intent on proving your point that you're seeing what you want to see. That's why you think Croyle's ready. Glad you brought up Cleveland - what foot did he throw off there in addition to making a bone-headed-decesion? It's all on tape...

**cdcox** · 08-26-2007, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Sorry, I disagree. It was man to man and it's a pick every time with a throw like that.

Not man coverage go to the 1:25 mark of this video.

The corner who makes the INT is lined up across from our WR. The corner goes into his drop from the snap, despite the fact that the WR runs a shallow slant. Wilson runs an out and up. The LB over him blitzes. Looks like Wilson is running free, except the corner is already in that zone. Even it Croyle throws to the pylon, the CB is going to be in a better position than Wilson, because he his aready back deep in that zone. Just a bad read.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-26-2007, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

You're hopless. You're so intent on proving your point that you're seeing what you want to see. That's why you think Croyle's ready. Glad you brought up Cleveland - what foot did he throw off there in addition to making a bone-headed-decesion? It's all on tape...

READ THE POST, JACKASS.

I said he threw off his back foot. I also said that had he made the right decision, and threw the ball into the 3rd row, he couldhave thrown from his ass and accompished the goal: Throwing the ball away.

He's thrown off his back foot 2 TIMES IN 3 GAMES.

And I've NEVER said Croyle was READY.

I said we'll never know if he's READY if he doesn't PLAY in a game that COUNTS.

WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE WITH OR WITHOUT CROYLE THIS YEAR.

KNOWING THAT, THERE IS NO REASON TO DELAY FINDING OUT WHAT WE HAVE IN CROYLE.

YOU CANNOT GAIN EXPERIENCE BY SITTING ON THE BENCH.

THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR GAME EXPERIENCE.

THOSE are my words. Don't put any in my mouth.

08-25-2007, 05:35 PM
Dr. Johnny Fever stax of wax Join Date: Feb 2004 Casino cash: $10004900	Jeezuz folks get some perspective It isn't the end of the world that an unproven, inexperience QB didn't win the starting job right now. Earlier today I looked up at the sky and it is definately still up there. Hasn't fallen a bit. Brodie isn't ready. It's that simple. He doesn't even have his mechanics down. He rushes things. He makes bad descisons. And he's got his whole career ahead of him. Don't you think maybe this will be a bit of a wake up call to him to get his shit together? Don't you think it will make him work even harder to be the guy we all hope he can be when the time comes? Isn't it better to let a guy who obviously isn't ready, sit back, get some perspective himself and come in once the O-line is (hopefully) a little more stable and LJ has found his stride? Huard isn't great but he was solid last year and anyone who disputes that isn't looking at the big picture. Yes he had some issues. He was also the second rated passer in the NFL and lead us to the playoffs. It certainly wasn't his fault we didn't win once we were there. We know he can handle being the starter. Croyle.... not so much. Excuse Herm and Carl and the whole organization for trying to put the best players on the field to start a season and maybe... just maybe trying to win a game or two. Many of us have little hope for a good season... no matter who plays QB. I'm glad the people who run the team don't have that same degree of low or no expectations. I mean how dare they try to compete with players who've proven they can. Brodie will get his chance...probably even this year. I for one thank Herm and Carl for not handing the team over to a guy who may just get his ass and his confidence broken in two right from the start. Brodie will be a better QB later... when he's ready... for not having to try to sail a potentially sinkng ship now. And who knows... we may not even be that bad.
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