49ers LT Trent Williams is holding out

[wazu]

3 years left on his deal, scheduled to make $20M in 2024.

More about San Francisco 49ers All-Pro left tackle Trent Williams holding out in an attempt to get his contract adjusted:https://t.co/mnlFZ4bXH2

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) July 24, 2024

[O.city]

Keep my name out of your mouth.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

Keep my name out of your mouth.

Says the guy that is constantly shoving shit in people's mouths #hypocrite

[dlphg9]

Brock Purdy gets so much disrespect it's crazy. He had a 69.4% completion rate - 4300 yds - 31 TDs - 11 ints with only 444 pass attempts and took his team to the Super Bowl in his 2nd year in the league. He has a 4-1 record in the playoffs and his only loss was to the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. He's thrown 6 TDs to only 1 int in the playoffs.

Last year he led the league in QBR, QB rating, TD%, yards per attempt, and yards per completion. He also doesn't have a very good OL, but only managed to get sacked 28 times.

Despite all of that people want to act like he's a game manager that is only successful because of the talent around him and his HC.

He's a top 5-10 QB in the league and I would most certainly put him above Herbert.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Brock Purdy gets so much disrespect it's crazy. He had a 69.4% completion rate - 4300 yds - 31 TDs - 11 ints with only 444 pass attempts and took his team to the Super Bowl in his 2nd year in the league. He has a 4-1 record in the playoffs and his only loss was to the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. He's thrown 6 TDs to only 1 int in the playoffs.

Last year he led the league in QBR, QB rating, TD%, yards per attempt, and yards per completion. He also doesn't have a very good OL, but only managed to get sacked 28 times.

Despite all of that people want to act like he's a game manager that is only successful because of the talent around him and his HC.

He's a top 5-10 QB in the league and I would most certainly put him above Herbert.

Fun exercise - Which QBs in the following list would you rank ABOVE Brock Purdy?

Patrick Mahomes
Joe Burrow
Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
C.J. Stroud
Jalen Hurts
Dak Prescott
Justin Herbert
Jordan Love
Matthew Stafford
Jared Goff
Kirk Cousins

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Brock Purdy gets so much disrespect it's crazy. He had a 69.4% completion rate - 4300 yds - 31 TDs - 11 ints with only 444 pass attempts and took his team to the Super Bowl in his 2nd year in the league. He has a 4-1 record in the playoffs and his only loss was to the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. He's thrown 6 TDs to only 1 int in the playoffs.

Last year he led the league in QBR, QB rating, TD%, yards per attempt, and yards per completion. He also doesn't have a very good OL, but only managed to get sacked 28 times.

Despite all of that people want to act like he's a game manager that is only successful because of the talent around him and his HC.

He's a top 5-10 QB in the league and I would most certainly put him above Herbert.

I think he's a high end game manager. Alex Smith without the early career yips. But you'll have to pay him like the top Qb's and when he doesn't have Deebo, CMC, Aiyuk and Kittle he's going to look a lot different. I think most would agree. The Chiefs navigated the cap and weapons perfectly until last year and had the only guy who can over come lack luster weapons.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by wazu

Fun exercise - Which QBs in the following list would you rank ABOVE Brock Purdy?

Patrick Mahomes - Above
Joe Burrow - Burrow has just as good of weapons if not better, but I'd rather have Burrow if I was down at the end of a game. Above
Josh Allen - Above
Lamar Jackson - He's a 2 time MVP, but I think I'd rather have Purdy in a high leverage situation. Toss up
C.J. Stroud - Below
Jalen Hurts - toss up
Dak Prescott - toss up
Justin Herbert - Below
Jordan Love - Below
Matthew Stafford - Below
Jared Goff - Below
Kirk Cousins - Below

I have Mahomes, Burrow, and Allen for sure in front of him and a toss up between Hurts, Jackson, Prescott.

I have him anywhere from 4th to 7th best in the league.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

I think he's a high end game manager. Alex Smith without the early career yips. But you'll have to pay him like the top Qb's and when he doesn't have Deebo, CMC, Aiyuk and Kittle he's going to look a lot different. I think most would agree. The Chiefs navigated the cap and weapons perfectly until last year and had the only guy who can over come lack luster weapons.

Purdy isn't a game manager. Alex Smith only had one season remotely close to Purdy's first full year as a starter. Smith isn't anywhere near Purdy. Purdy can win a SB and Smith never even got close.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

They came within a **** hair of winning the SB with Purdy. He's good enough to win the SB if they're going to surround him with all world talent again. Question is, how long can they continue doing that?

Their front office has done a great job of acquiring and developing players. Outside of the Chiefs, they're the best franchise in the league over the last six seasons.

I agree, and CMC being surprisingly healthy has done a ton to help that. Remember how close they were to beating KC the first time before the 21 point explosion ended it for them. If the pay Purdy, they’re gonna struggle mightily trying to keep him surrounded with all world talent. Money can be moved around, but at some point the bills will need to be paid.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by wazu

Fun exercise - Which QBs in the following list would you rank ABOVE Brock Purdy?

Patrick Mahomes
Joe Burrow
Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
C.J. Stroud
Jalen Hurts
Dak Prescott
Justin Herbert
Jordan Love
Matthew Stafford
Jared Goff
Kirk Cousins

Above (this is also my ranking of NFL QBs)
Mahomes
Allen
Burrow
Stroud
Herbert
Love
Stafford
Jackson

Roughly the same
Hurts
Cousins
Goff
Prescott

Purdy is a product of the Shanahan system and the talent around him.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Above (this is also my ranking of NFL QBs)
Mahomes
Allen
Burrow
Stroud
Herbert
Love
Stafford
Jackson

Roughly the same
Hurts
Cousins
Goff
Prescott

Purdy is a product of the Shanahan system and the talent around him.

I'm about here. Would probably drop Love and Stafford into the "about the same" category just based on where Stafford is in his career. That would put 6 clearly ahead of Purdy, and another 6 that are about the same. I think that's a decent amount of respect. He isn't getting the Jimmy G treatment and rightfully so.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by wazu

I'm about here. Would probably drop Love and Stafford into the "about the same" category just based on where Stafford is in his career. That would put 6 clearly ahead of Purdy, and another 6 that are about the same. I think that's a decent amount of respect. He isn't getting the Jimmy G treatment and rightfully so.

Stafford, even at this stage of his career, is still very clearly a more talented passer than Purdy. Dude still makes some insane throws.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by wazu

Fun exercise - Which QBs in the following list would you rank ABOVE Brock Purdy?

Patrick Mahomes
Joe Burrow
Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
C.J. Stroud
Jalen Hurts
Dak Prescott
Justin Herbert
Jordan Love
Matthew Stafford
Jared Goff
Kirk Cousins

All of them except Cousins.


Significant degree of error due to the fact that SF has been so loaded with elite talent, especially on offense. Can’t forget SF dropped three games in a row when Deebo got hurt. They also struggled when CMC got hurt the year before.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Says the guy that is constantly shoving shit in people's mouths #hypocrite

They sign the release form

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Above (this is also my ranking of NFL QBs)
Mahomes
Allen
Burrow
Stroud
Herbert
Love
Stafford
Jackson

Roughly the same
Hurts
Cousins
Goff
Prescott

Purdy is a product of the Shanahan system and the talent around him.

I'd largely echo this list but I'd also say I'd put Tua and Lawrence on par with him as well. Hell, I'd put Baker with him as as overrated as I thought Watson was for the first several years of his career, I think he's right there with Purdy as well.

Which his how I usually get to around 13-15 with him. 8 clear guys and then a handful of dudes I put with him, most of which are just a little above him.

Because ANY of those guys would succeed in the Shanahan system and most of them can be effective outside of it. Purdy? He's Derek Carr at best outside of SF, IMO.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

All of them except Cousins.


Significant degree of error due to the fact that SF has been so loaded with elite talent, especially on offense. Can’t forget SF dropped three games in a row when Deebo got hurt. They also struggled when CMC got hurt the year before.

Holy cow - Cousins is WAY better than Purdy. I mean substantially better.

Cousins is a friggen outstanding pure thrower. One of the most underrated QBs of the last 20 years. He's tough as nails, generally smart with the ball and very accurate with an above average arm.

He's not an improviser. That's his biggest problem. But as a 'traditional' pocket passer, there aren't many guys on his level. He's an older, better version of Goff, IMO.