Chiefs Let's Talk About Nagy's Playcalling - Page 6

**Bowser** · 10-29-2023, 06:50 PM

I think we can all agree that our offense has been "off" all season, minus the Bears and Chargers games. Mahomes hasn't looked himself by and large, and that could well be because of the talent around him, but watching the plays unfold just makes me wonder why some of the plays are being called in the first place.

Today was an abomination on many fronts with the offense but it sure looked a good deal like an Alex Smith game plan, minus Mahomes' patented making something out of nothing scramble drill passes. The run plays were predictable and getting nothing, but they kept forcing them. We threw the ball laterally as much as horizontally (seemingly), and the plays themselves just look, well, off.

Is it Nagy, is it Mahomes, is it the talent outside of Mahomes and Kelce, or is it a combination of all that? Or was this game just an outlier and our annual piss down our legs game as has been suggested, and I'm just OMG-ing for no good reason?

Something FEELS different than in the past so far this season. I would love to put my finger on what it is, precisely.

DJJasonp · 10-30-2023, 01:53 PM

Pacheco averaged 5 yds per carry yesterday. He got a whopping 8 carries yesterday.

BleedingRed · 10-30-2023, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DJJasonp

Pacheco averaged 5 yds per carry yesterday. He got a whopping 8 carries yesterday.

Why run the ball when you can drop a pass tho!

Reerun_KC · 10-30-2023, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DJJasonp

Pacheco averaged 5 yds per carry yesterday. He got a whopping 8 carries yesterday.

He should get at least 20 carry’s each game.

JPH83 · 10-30-2023, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

I think it's rather obvious that Reid/Nagy are trying to gameplan around the lack of talent at receiver we apparently have at the moment. The problem becomes when you're calling plays along the lines of a one read option for a generational QB to execute and his guys can't hold up their end of the bargain, you get what we got yesterday.

I'm willing to write the entire experience off to Mahomes being sick, our receivers having a total shit day, and the Broncos absolutely having enough of losing to us (their defense has not played like that all season until yesterday). But, changes need to be made THIS week regarding play calls and personnel groupings. I think that's stating the obvious right now.

Solid take imo

**Iowanian** · 10-30-2023, 02:30 PM

I don't love the playcalling this year BUT....

Nagy wasn't the OT's letting Denver's DEs look like probowlers....
Nagy wasn't dropping passes that hit him in the hands....
Nagy wasn't playing QB sick, and making more bad decisions this year....likely due to both of the above statements.
Nagy wasn't the defense giving up 12 minute drives and committing penalties when they DID make a stop.

dlphg9 · 10-30-2023, 03:59 PM

Why the **** did Pacheco only get 8 ****ing carries when he was avg 5 ypc. Ridiculous ****ing shit like usual. We gotta stop passing it so ****ing much. We had 41 passes called to only 13 runs. That is ****ing ridiculous.

dlphg9 · 10-30-2023, 04:02 PM

Andy Reid does this shit sometimes and it can kill the offesne. Goes completely one dimensional and its awful.

TEX · 10-30-2023, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

I don't love the playcalling this year BUT....

Nagy wasn't the OT's letting Denver's DEs look like probowlers....
Nagy wasn't dropping passes that hit him in the hands....
Nagy wasn't playing QB sick, and making more bad decisions this year....likely due to both of the above statements.
Nagy wasn't the defense giving up 12 minute drives and committing penalties when they DID make a stop.

Are YOU sure?

crayzkirk · 10-30-2023, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

Why the **** did Pacheco only get 8 ****ing carries when he was avg 5 ypc. Ridiculous ****ing shit like usual. We gotta stop passing it so ****ing much. We had 41 passes called to only 13 runs. That is ****ing ridiculous.

I could be wrong however, most of his yards were on a couple of long runs. Most of what I saw was 1 or 2 yard gains on first down. Many times, the DL had great penetration and the plays went nowhere. I think he's good once he hits the hole however his vision doesn't seem great. What I would expect from a 7th round pick.

Chieftain · 10-30-2023, 04:22 PM

Looking at the game yesterday, a game in which the Chiefs scored 9 measely points, Andy was shown on TV a few times glued in, holding his chart plays. The guy is clearly in command. Nagy is playing Bienemy's role but the offense runs through Andy.

crayzkirk · 10-30-2023, 06:25 PM

My memory isn't the greatest however it seems that the Chiefs have struggled this year to put up points in the second half.

Hammock Parties · 10-30-2023, 06:30 PM

I think the offense looks totally different in Miami and after the bye week.

The first half of the season was figuring out who could do what on offense.

Targets should be going almost exclusively to Kelce, Rice, Watson and Hardman going forward, with Pacheco, McKinnon and Gray cleaning up the checkdowns. Hardman is a damn nice 4th option.

HonestChieffan · 10-30-2023, 06:51 PM

Nagy needs to wake the **** up

Coochie liquor · 10-31-2023, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Chief

This feels similar to the discussion on Bieniemy we kept having. What is he responsible for? Is he calling the plays? Is Reid overruling him?

Everything I’ve read from Bienemy is Andy always call the plays, the OC decides the players for the play.

Coochie liquor · 10-31-2023, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I’ve lost track on how many times we’ve gotten negative yards on first down because our running game is ass.

I’ve lost track how many first downs we’ve passed up cause we’re forcing the ball to Kelce.

I’ve lost track on how many open Wrs we’ve passed up so we could throw it deep in short yardage situations.

I’ve lost rack on how many easy dropped balls we’ve had.

There’s lots to lose track of here.

Wish you’d lose track of your flying skills when over a large body of water!

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Iowanian Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Utopia Casino cash: $3318454	I don't love the playcalling this year BUT.... Nagy wasn't the OT's letting Denver's DEs look like probowlers.... Nagy wasn't dropping passes that hit him in the hands.... Nagy wasn't playing QB sick, and making more bad decisions this year....likely due to both of the above statements. Nagy wasn't the defense giving up 12 minute drives and committing penalties when they DID make a stop.
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10-30-2023, 03:59 PM	#81
dlphg9 MVP Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $199653	Why the ** did Pacheco only get 8 ing carries when he was avg 5 ypc. Ridiculous ing shit like usual. We gotta stop passing it so ing much. We had 41 passes called to only 13 runs. That is **ing ridiculous.
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10-30-2023, 04:22 PM	#85
Chieftain Fan since 1997 Join Date: Nov 2018 Casino cash: $-139600	Looking at the game yesterday, a game in which the Chiefs scored 9 measely points, Andy was shown on TV a few times glued in, holding his chart plays. The guy is clearly in command. Nagy is playing Bienemy's role but the offense runs through Andy. __________________ Chiefs Records
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10-30-2023, 06:25 PM	#86
crayzkirk Veteran Join Date: Nov 2016 Casino cash: $2150000	My memory isn't the greatest however it seems that the Chiefs have struggled this year to put up points in the second half.
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10-30-2023, 06:30 PM	#87
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $2670478	I think the offense looks totally different in Miami and after the bye week. The first half of the season was figuring out who could do what on offense. Targets should be going almost exclusively to Kelce, Rice, Watson and Hardman going forward, with Pacheco, McKinnon and Gray cleaning up the checkdowns. Hardman is a damn nice 4th option. __________________ Chiefs game films
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10-30-2023, 06:51 PM	#88
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