Ty Cobb is second now

[HemiEd]

Baseball Integrates Leaderboards

Major League Baseball officially updated its statistics leaderboard yesterday to include 2,300 qualifying men who played in the Negro Leagues between 1920 and 1948. The integration incorporates findings from a three-year research process initiated after MLB first recognized the Negro Leagues as major leagues in December 2020.



The update reshapes long-standing leaderboards, with legendary power hitter and Hall of Fame catcher Josh Gibson now recognized as the all-time leader in career batting average with a .372 mark, passing prior leader, Ty Cobb. Lifetime numbers from MLB players reflecting their time in the Negro Leagues were also recognized, including those of Jackie Robinson, Willie Mays, and Satchel Paige. See a rundown of leaderboard changes here. https://www.mlb.com/news/stats-leade...ro-leagues-mlb



Tacit bans in the major leagues forced Black players to create their own leagues in the first half of the 20th century. Jackie Robinson broke the sport's racial barrier when he made his debut with the Brooklyn Dodgers in 1947

[Ocotillo]

Originally Posted by bdj23

I've heard that the Cobb being a world class prick story is overblown and was essentially made up by one vindictive baseball writer.

PragerU (I'm not a huge fan of them) has a pretty good non-political video on it.

The main thing that Cobb has been commonly miscast as was a racist.

In a 1952 Sporting News article on the integration of the Texas minor leagues, published before the Athletics, Pirates, Cardinals, Reds, Yankees, Phillies, Tigers, and Red Sox had a black player on their rosters, Cobb stated: “The Negro has the right to compete in sports and who’s to say they have not?”

He later said, toward the end of his life: “The only player I would pay to see is Willie Mays.”

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by kysirsoze

LOL, recognizing baseball was discriminating against black people is "woke"? So literally any acknowledgement of racism existing ever is woke? Do you think slavery happened or is that woke propaganda, too? You realize that when you spam your political buzzwords this incessantly they lose all meaning, right?

Where did I say anything like that you lying sack of crap. I just said the stats are broken whether through small sample size or complete inaccuracy due to the lack of coverage

[Marcellus]

I see nothing wrong with this, probably long overdue.

I do find it interesting that most people somehow know had they been alive 100 years ago they would have the exact same beliefs they do now though.

Get off your soapbox.

[kysirsoze]

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni

Where did I say anything like that you lying sack of crap

You said I was not only woke, but a woke king for pointing out that black people weren't the ones who arificially split the talent pools. That's not woke, it's an obvious fact that is beyond dispute. If you have some other hidden point, feel free to make it.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Originally Posted by Eureka

I heard walking on the moon. Seems legit.

Michael Jackson even stole that one from us, think we’re pretty much down to spreadsheets, chess and hockey.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Funny how some of you never are in the actual baseball threads we have on here?

I wonder why that is. All you have to do is look at the usual suspects that are arguing.

[kysirsoze]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

I wonder why that is. All you have to do is look at the usual suspects that are arguing.

I guess some people are just really passionate about incomplete statistics.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

Michael Jackson even stole that one from us, think we’re pretty much down to spreadsheets, chess and hockey.

But considering his color change wouldn't it in turn return back to team "European Americans"?

[Pablo]

I refuse to acknowledge any championships before 1947.

Cardinals only have 5

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

Originally Posted by bdj23

I've heard that the Cobb being a world class prick story is overblown and was essentially made up by one vindictive baseball writer.

PragerU (I'm not a huge fan of them) has a pretty good non-political video on it.

It is absolutely overblown. Al Stump sold a pack of lies and then the Cobb movie cemented them in the public's mind. Similar to how the Babe Ruth movie acted like he wasn't athletic at all.

Baseball Fever has a great Ty Cobb thread where they strip away the lies. There are several good books as well.

I love baseball but so much of its common knowledge is fable and distorted history.

Unfortunately, the public doesn't know and isn't interested in knowledge. Even this thread has people repeating exaggerations.

[George Liquor]

Originally Posted by Pablo

I refuse to acknowledge any championships before 1947.

Cardinals only have 5

Obsessed

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

Originally Posted by Ocotillo

The main thing that Cobb has been commonly miscast as was a racist.

In a 1952 Sporting News article on the integration of the Texas minor leagues, published before the Athletics, Pirates, Cardinals, Reds, Yankees, Phillies, Tigers, and Red Sox had a black player on their rosters, Cobb stated: “The Negro has the right to compete in sports and who’s to say they have not?”

He later said, toward the end of his life: “The only player I would pay to see is Willie Mays.”

That is a high compliment to Mays because Cobb absolutely was grouchy about modern baseball. He made his name in the dead ball era. A more scientific style of percentages, scratch-out-a-run, baseball. A famous story goes he was once challenged to swing like Babe Ruth. Cobb, being fiercely competitive, did so and hit two or three home runs. He then returned to his regular swing.

Cobb died in the early 60s. The 1950s was an era of slow sluggers walking and hitting home runs. Few teams stole any bases (the Go-Go Sox were an exception). It was a stale style of play albeit with legendary hitters.

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni

Sorry, but im good with the stats being included...BUT Minimum qualifiers, the lack of games, and the complete missing and inaccurate stats totally make this completely ridiculous. Some of these stats were laughable anyway and now it's even more of a clown show. The previous records were frauds too in alot of categories

If they are going to lower the minimum standards then they need to do so for all major league players. Lefty O'Doul needs to be on the batting average list.

Fair is fair.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Eureka

What are white people good at?

Having high credit scores and the winters Olympics

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by bdj23

Obsessed

There’s a lot of hate in my heart for deserving teams.