*****The Josh Simmons Thread*****

[Dante84]

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— Patrick Mahomes II (@PatrickMahomes) April 25, 2025

Several teams agree: Josh Simmons had best tape of any OT last year. And they aren't very concerned with recovery on the torn patella tendon. More of the concern is maturity/character. But he's going to the ideal, veteran-laden place.

— Jeremy Fowler (@JFowlerESPN) April 25, 2025

the #chiefs get LT Josh Simmons out of Ohio State. If Simmons didn't suffer a torn patellar tendon he would have been the first tackle off the board. I had one team tell me he was the most athletic and talented tackle tape they watched. There are some maturity issues, but this…

— James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) April 25, 2025

The #Chiefs have selected #OSU OT Josh Simmons at No. 32, a player recovering nicely from a torn patellar tendon. They are comfortable with his rehab and did endless homework on it. https://t.co/awdb0JhPed

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) April 25, 2025

The #Chiefs are selecting Ohio State LT Josh Simmons at No. 32 to close out Round 1.

A key addition to bolster the offensive line in front of Patrick Mahomes. pic.twitter.com/oBx2CjzmCe

— Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) April 25, 2025

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

Dude...talk about axe to grind. No substantive disagreement, just insults. Get a life, man.

You get pretty irritable when someone has a substantive disagreement.

So at this point I'm not sure what you're looking for apart from constant affirmation.

Have fun with that.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

That's a pretty disingenuous way to frame the situation.

No, it's not. If you're going to take a huge risk have a safety net. An unproven player is not a safety net. We signed him to an easy to end two year deal that's really a one year deal.

Just in case he doesn't work out - which is a legitimate risk. So we now have two risks as our plan. That's the truth.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Rausch

No, it's not. If you're going to take a huge risk have a safety net. An unproven player is not a safety net. We signed him to an easy to end two year deal that's really a one year deal.

Just in case he doesn't work out - which is a legitimate risk. So we now have two risks as our plan. That's the truth.

I mean...if it's a 1 year deal it comes out to about $22 million for that season.

That's...significant.

If you're going to throw $20+ million at someone, I'd hope the very LEAST you can say about him is that he's a 'safety net'.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by BossChief

You 100% don’t know that.

None of us are privy to his medical specifics…so we don’t have to result in panic and doom.

We 100% know that. No one has had longer than a 7 year career after this injury. That's fact. That's the best case.

Anyone who says different has no evidence to back up their case. You can't show me one player at any position that had this injury and had a long career after that. I'm not ignoring facts - you are.

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You get pretty irritable when someone has a substantive disagreement.

So at this point I'm not sure what you're looking for apart from constant affirmation.

Have fun with that.

You and your buddies cross-forum vitriol and grudges are petty...I'd respectfully suggest you fellas to either chill, or grow up. Life is too short to live on any discussion board the way some folks here do. Go get laid or something, sheesh.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Rausch

We 100% know that. No one has had longer than a 7 year career after this injury. That's fact. That's the best case.

Anyone who says different has no evidence to back up their case. You can't show me one player at any position that had this injury and had a long career after that. I'm not ignoring facts - you are.

Well, if you take any NFL player at random, the odds are overwhelming that they have fewer than seven years remaining in their career. Even if you just take rookies, the average career is something like four years, right? And I think that doesn't even count fringe players on practice squads.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Rausch

We 100% know that. No one has had longer than a 7 year career after this injury. That's fact. That's the best case.

Anyone who says different has no evidence to back up their case. You can't show me one player at any position that had this injury and had a long career after that. I'm not ignoring facts - you are.

Do you realize how unreasonable that expectation is, though?

The average NFL career is 3 years. With or without injury.

Rick has dealt with this injury both successfully and unsuccessfully and gave about the best feedback anyone could ever hope for.

We don’t even fully know if this was a full or partial tear.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

You and your buddies cross-forum vitriol and grudges are petty...I'd respectfully suggest you fellas to either chill, or grow up. Life is too short to live on any discussion board the way some folks here do. Go get laid or something, sheesh.

I don't recall the last time I saw you post in DC. I'm barely over there. Isn't anything cross-forum here...

You just seem to think that folks arguing over a prospect is some sort of personal affront to you, regardless of how much substance they've put behind it that day or in the weeks before it.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Rausch

We 100% know that. No one has had longer than a 7 year career after this injury. That's fact. That's the best case.

Anyone who says different has no evidence to back up their case. You can't show me one player at any position that had this injury and had a long career after that. I'm not ignoring facts - you are.

So if they get five healthy seasons with Simmons anchoring the LT position… which would last through Mahomes’ mid-30’s… would the draft pick be justified?

For perspective, Ronnie Stanley has only played like one full healthy season in his NFL career, and some here were still willing to break the bank for him.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

If Denver or the Raiders made this same pick, the tone would be totally different about his injury history.

Not really. We would be hoping to God they bet wrong and didn’t get a steal in the draft.

Because he is a Chief we hope to hell Veach and company bet right and got a steal in the draft.

Nothing more, nothing less really. Because that’s all it is.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Do you realize how unreasonable that expectation is, though?

The average NFL career is 3 years. With or without injury.

Rick has dealt with this injury both successfully and unsuccessfully and gave about the best feedback anyone could ever hope for.

We don’t even fully know if this was a full or partial tear.

I certainly thought it was partial until they started talking about the double graft and looked it up.

A) I can't see anything anywhere to suggest they'd do it in the case of a partial tear. If it was what the reporting suggest it was, what they do is double the replacement over to strengthen it and then put in extra 'tacks' to deal with the fact that it's now doubled over. That's a rebuild either way.

B) I don't think it matters if you're actually rebuilding the ligament. If it's a partial tear and you rebuild it, you're going to structurally sever it anyway when you put the new ligament in.

Wasn't it Houston who had a 'partial' ACL tear and it just didn't matter? They had to go cut the thing out to put a new one in.

My memory on this is that if you're rebuilding, there's little functional distinction in partial vs. full tears. The only difference is in the amount of trauma to the surrounding areas. In the case of a full tear, your odds are increased that you ripped up other shit in the process.

But when it comes to the recovery of the rebuilt ligament specifically, there's no practical difference.

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I don't recall the last time I saw you post in DC. I'm barely over there. Isn't anything cross-forum here...

You just seem to think that folks arguing over a prospect is some sort of personal affront to you, regardless of how much substance they've put behind it that day or in the weeks before it.

Grudges die hard, I guess....I simply think arguing the same point, again and again, you're right--I don't get. It's why I gave up the exercise in futility that is DC. If you put so much behind it, do yourself a favor--spend less energy posting here, and apply for an NFL job, man. Go for it.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Well, if you take any NFL player at random, the odds are overwhelming that they have fewer than seven years remaining in their career. Even if you just take rookies, the average career is something like four years, right? And I think that doesn't even count fringe players on practice squads.

Bingo.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Rausch

It's a risk no matter what. The cost of the risk is what makes it a better or worse decision.

Buying a work car that might last a year for $600 is much better than buying one for $6,000.

Now imagine having the car a year and your realize the odometer was wrong and it really only has 20,000 original miles and is going to be dependable for the next 4...best $600 bucks you could have spent.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

this a supposedly a deep draft. Mocks think we can get the Ohio State RB in the 3rd.

DT and WR in the 2nd and RB in the 3rd.

The talent at WR is going to dip pretty hard (IMO) once Burden is off the board. I'd be inclined to stay with the room where it's at now and look at RB or Defense.