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Old 02-09-2025, 08:08 PM  
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Trade whatever possible for a LT prospect
I don’t care. If there’s a LT in this draft that they feel can be a good quality LT, do it.

I don’t care if it would cost three 1st rd picks. Mahomes is not gonna be this athletic for much longer.

It needs to happen
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Old 02-13-2025, 12:01 PM   #871
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So either the Chiefs are gonna expect Mahomes to make turds shine because of money reasons or they are gonna have to play the void year game. which is it?
I think after the Tyreek trade and we won the sb the attitude was just put whatever out there and the offense will work with Mahomes

Seeing that he’s struggled a bit the past two seasons Veach will switch it up. Pat is going to get help.
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Old 02-13-2025, 12:03 PM   #872
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I think after the Tyreek trade and we won the sb the attitude was just put whatever out there and the offense will work with Mahomes

Seeing that he’s struggled a bit the past two seasons Veach will switch it up. Pat is going to get help.
2022 had Orlando Brown Jr at left tackle, a younger still prime Kelce, and no Matt Nagy as the OC.


People hated on Orlando Brown Jr but the left tackle position far worse since he left.
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Old 02-13-2025, 12:06 PM   #873
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Baltimore, Buffalo. Philadelphia all paying their QB big money but none are asking their QB to run for their life.
Well, if Fisher had been able to stay healthy, he'd still be there and we wouldn't either. But since he's been gone we've picked in the 30's every year and haven't had great options.

You guys act like this was a conscious choice. It's been doing what we could with the options available.
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Old 02-13-2025, 12:08 PM   #874
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It's not as simple as "don't trade up". If we had a down season and we're picking 19th, by all means, trade up.

We are picking 31st. It would take a boatload of picks to go get "that guy" more than we gave up to get Mahomes. That's just not a luxury a team in this position can afford.
Pretty sure our 1st, 3rd, and 2026 1st could get us to around 15. I know you'll say that picking players around 15 isn't really any different than players taken late in the 1st, but just hear me out. I have no clue who they like yet or what their grades will be on specific players, but let's say they like Conerly and/or Ersery and see them as a long term solution but that they will also need some development time this season. You wouldn't do that? That's not "more than we gave up to get Mahomes".

I think this claim that draft picks taken at OT outside of the top 10 are no different than those taken late 1st or the 2nd is disengenuous. You probably could make the claim that WRs taken late 1st are not much better than those taken in the 2nd/3rd round, but that didn't stop KC from trading up for someone like Worthy. KC clearly liked Worthy and they went and got him, end of story. Will he end up being significantly better or even better at all than McConkey? Maybe not, but they found their guy and made the move. Why would they not take that same stance at LT if they identify a specific player that is the most likely to succeed here and provide a solution for our line problems?

Doing a bit of analysis where starting left tackles come from, yes they absolutely generally come from the top 10 for the most part. You have a handful of decent looking tackles that have been taken outside of the top 10 like Tristan Wirfs, Kolton Miller, Garrett Bolles, Taylor Decker, and Christian Darrisaw. I'm guessing Mims in Cincy may eventually join that list. DJ Humphries was a good left tackle for a while (when healthy), he was taken 24th.

Starting left tackles taken outside the 1st include Dawkins, Mailata, Armstead, Raimann, Walker, Coleman, and Little.

So outside of taking a left tackle top 10 where they are the most likely to be a sure thing, the highest concentration of starting left tackles in a particular part of the draft is those taken from around the 13-25 range of rd 1. Then you have a handful of decent or promising left tackles taken in the 2nd/3rd or the 7th. There don't really appear to be much in the way of left tackles taken currently in the 4-6 rd range.

So again, I would argue that a tackle taken in the 13-25 range of the 1st rd absolutely does have a higher chance of developing than someone in the 2nd-3rd rd.
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Well, if Fisher had been able to stay healthy, he'd still be there and we wouldn't either. But since he's been gone we've picked in the 30's every year and haven't had great options.

You guys act like this was a conscious choice. It's been doing what we could with the options available.
The decision to fight with Orlando Brown Jr over a few million, who Veach traded for, was a choice.


Of course Orlando Brown Jr was really a right tackle playing left. But he was good enough to go against a similarly stacked Eagles team and not get his ass run over in the SB.
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2022 had Orlando Brown Jr at left tackle, a younger still prime Kelce, and no Matt Nagy as the OC.


People hated on Orlando Brown Jr but the left tackle position far worse since he left.
People gotta remember Jerrick McKinnon that year. 9 receiving TD’s. 2nd to Kelce. He was so good.

We haven’t had any explosive plays at RB since he got old last year.
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The decision to fight with Orlando Brown Jr over a few million, who Veach traded for, was a choice.


Of course Orlando Brown Jr was really a right tackle playing left. But he was good enough to go against a similarly stacked Eagles team and not get his ass run over in the SB.
Blaming Veach when we now know what absolute ****ing idiots Brown and his agent both were is a choice.
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People gotta remember Jerrick McKinnon that year. 9 receiving TD’s. 2nd to Kelce. He was so good.

We haven’t had any explosive plays at RB since he got old last year.
I remember some saying that the 22 year was a bit of an aberration because of where the scores and such were coming from weren't repeatable and them getting yelled at.
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Blaming Veach when we now know what absolute ****ing idiots Brown and his agent both were is a choice.
It's both.


OBJ was greedy and Veach was stubborn.
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It's both.


OBJ was greedy and Veach was stubborn.
Bullshit. Veach offered him far more than any other team was willing to and Brown and his agent were too ****ing stupid to know it.
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People gotta remember Jerrick McKinnon that year. 9 receiving TD’s. 2nd to Kelce. He was so good.

We haven’t had any explosive plays at RB since he got old last year.
Yeah and JuJu was a better #1 than Kadarius Toney, Sky Moore, or Justin Watson.

Rice didn't ascend to #1 usage until after week 13 in 2023.
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Blaming Veach when we now know what absolute ****ing idiots Brown and his agent both were is a choice.
It's kind of a failure of the process, how do you make that trade and not realize him and his agent have those demands?
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Bullshit. Veach offered him far more than any other team was willing to and Brown and his agent were too ****ing stupid to know it.
When you gave up what we did in trade for a player that player has the leverage.


Of course I think OBJ got too greedy but here's the thing.


Our left tackle position has been a revolving door of suck since OBJ Jr left.


He was better than anyone they have played since.
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Veach offered 6 for 134 that was essentially 5 for 100. OBJ signed a 4 for 64. A generational bag fumble.
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When you gave up what we did in trade for a player that player has the leverage.


Of course I think OBJ got too greedy but here's the thing.


Our left tackle position has been a revolving door of suck since OBJ Jr left.


He was better than anyone they have played since.
That's a laughably low standard. OBJ isn't a good LT, barely servicable. He got Mahomes hurt in 2022, got Burrow hurt in 2023, and missed almost half the year in 2024.
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