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Old 11-10-2024, 04:17 PM   #871
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MAYBE.... we could put a pool at left tackle and have Kingsley jump out of the pool and block someone.
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Old 11-10-2024, 04:30 PM   #873
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I just wanna say he was bad, but not as bad as I think is being suggested.

Bonitto wrecked him. Just absolutely destroyed him every time.

But he held his own against the other two guys.

Don't get me wrong - when your weakness is THAT bad, you're a problem. But it really was just the one weakness - he was really exposed protecting his outside shoulder against speed.

This wasn't Cam Erving where whatever you did you'd beat him. This was a situation where a guy who had the outside burst to attack him wide just ate his lunch.

One problem is easier to fix than multiple.
No matter what, we didn’t see any progress today from Week 2. That’s the same player.

Which means two things.

1) The LT this season MUST be either Wanya or preferably Donovan Smith. But they both need to be on the roster so that Kingsley can be removed from any chance at cracking the lineup this year.

2) We cannot go into 2025 trusting Kingsley to be the LTOTF. Veach is going to have to address this position as priority #1 entering the offseason. It might even cost us Trey Smith or Thuney, but something has to be done.
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Old 11-10-2024, 04:51 PM   #874
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After 9 games? Overreact much?
Not an overreaction when a second round LT looks like he has no business playing in the NFL… similar to Skyy Less.

This is beyond just rookie growing pains.
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Old 11-10-2024, 05:09 PM   #875
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Not an overreaction when a second round LT looks like he has no business playing in the NFL… similar to Skyy Less.

This is beyond just rookie growing pains.
Right.

Like after today, I’ll consider anything salvaged as a win with this player but there is not a chance in hell that he becomes a sure starter at LT by next year. Wanya was better as a rookie.

Smith needs to be brought back as the starter, and Wanya the backup. Kingsley can redshirt the rest of the year and hopefully become functional as even just a swing tackle for the future.

It’s pick 63, those don’t usually become franchise LTs. But damn, ya gotta be better than this.
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I’m no Joshua Brisco fan, but what he writes here is accurate: https://x.com/jbbrisco/status/1855749574104604917?s=46

If we knew Wanya would stay healthy all year, that would probably be fine enough to still win. A veteran may not be any better.

But we cannot risk what happens if Wanya gets hurt again, especially in the middle of the playoffs. You can’t see what we’ve seen from Kingsley and allow that to be your depth plan for injury at either tackle spot.
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Wanya is a lot better right now than he was in that Christmas Day nightmare game against the Raiders last year. That gives you some hope for Kingsley that he will show a lot of improvement with more experience. But Kingsley's struggling performances this year definitely give new perspective & appreciation for the 2nd year version of Wanya.
To be fair, though, I was thoroughly rebuked for suggesting that Wanya is anything other than terrible. Post non-negative comments at your peril.
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So is it just impossible to find decent left tackle play? At this point I’m starting to think we should have just extended OBJ even though I was against that originally (shows what I know). He was having a really good season this year in Cincinnati prior to getting injured and he’s making significantly less than Taylor. Is Andy Heck maybe not getting the job done?
I think the team would have been happy to re-sign Brown for what Cincy is paying, but that wasn't on the table. Remember, he wanted top LT money and only took that Cincy deal when it became clear he had played himself.
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I just wanna say he was bad, but not as bad as I think is being suggested.

Bonitto wrecked him. Just absolutely destroyed him every time.

But he held his own against the other two guys.

Don't get me wrong - when your weakness is THAT bad, you're a problem. But it really was just the one weakness - he was really exposed protecting his outside shoulder against speed.

This wasn't Cam Erving where whatever you did you'd beat him. This was a situation where a guy who had the outside burst to attack him wide just ate his lunch.

One problem is easier to fix than multiple.
I don't know. I'm pretty sure Erving was better. His worst season with us he allowed 4.5 sacks. Pretty sure Kingsley has allowed that in basically 2.5 games and the sacks and hits he allows are just crushing.

At least we were still able to run a normal high flying offense with Cam. The Chiefs clearly don't trust Kingsley enough for that. If we tried to run a 2019 offense with Kingsley in with all the deep drop backs and deep plays, Mahomes would die.
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Kingsley looks like a guard, which I guess is fine since we’ll need one of those soon.
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Not an overreaction when a second round LT looks like he has no business playing in the NFL… similar to Skyy Less.

This is beyond just rookie growing pains.
LT is one of the hardest positions to plug and play in the NFL. He was raw when drafted and the thought he could step in Day 1 and be the LTOTF was probably wishful thinking.

Give the kid an offseason to see what he looks like, but to put him in the same category as Skyy after 9 games is overreacting. I am not against bringing in a veteran like Smith as insurance for the rest of the season though.
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Dude was an absolute turnstile out there today.

You can’t ask Pat to go out there and perform with Kingsley protecting his blindside. Absolutely no way.
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Literally the WORST rookie LT I've ever seen.

I mean THE WORST.
He’s the Bwillie of left tackles. Only difference is Kingsley hasn’t hit his ceiling.
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Just put Noah Gray out there to block. He can’t be worse than this.
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