New Conference re-alignment thread

[Saulbadguy]

The old one has AIDS.

Anyways, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com reports OU may apply to the Pac-12 by the end of the month.

Oklahoma will apply for membership to the Pac-12 before the end of the month, and Oklahoma State is expected to follow suit, a source close to OU's administration told Orangebloods.com.

Even though Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday the Pac-12 was not interested in expansion at this time, OU's board of regents is fed up with the instability in the Big 12, the source said.

The OU board of regents will meet within two weeks to formalize plans to apply for membership to the Pac-12, the source said.

Messages left Sunday night with OU athletic director Joe Castiglione and Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder were not immediately returned.

If OU follows through with what appears to be a unanimous sentiment on the seven-member Oklahoma board of regents to leave the Big 12, realignment in college athletics could be heating back up. OU's application would be matched by an application from Oklahoma State, the source said, even though OSU president Burns Hargis and mega-booster Boone Pickens both voiced their support for the Big 12 last Thursday.

There is differing sentiment about if the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors are ready to expand again after bringing in Colorado and Utah last year and landing $3 billion TV contracts from Fox and ESPN. Colorado president Bruce Benson told reporters last week CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12.

Currently, there are north and south divisions in the Pac-12. If OU and OSU were to join, Larry Scott would have to get creative.

Scott's orginal plan last summer was to bring in Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and put them in an eastern division with Arizona and Arizona State. The old Pac-8 schools (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) were to be in the west division.

Colorado made the move in June 2010, but when Texas A&M was not on board to go west, the Big 12 came back together with the help of its television partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox).

If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were accepted into the Pac-12, there would undoubtedly be a hope by Larry Scott that Texas would join the league. But Texas sources have indicated UT is determined to hang onto the Longhorn Network, which would not be permissible in the Pac-12 in its current form.

Texas sources continue to indicate to Orangebloods.com that if the Big 12 falls apart, the Longhorns would consider "all options."

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call 10 days ago with league presidents excluding Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M and asked the other league presidents to "work on Texas" because Beebe didn't think the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma without Texas.

Now, it appears OU is willing to take its chances with the Pac-12 with or without Texas.

There seemed to be a temporary pause in any possible shifting of the college athletics' landscape when Baylor led a charge to tie up Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference in legal red tape. BU refused to waive its right to sue the SEC over A&M's departure from the Big 12, and the SEC said it would not admit Texas A&M until it had been cleared of any potential lawsuits.

Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State have indicated they will not waive their right to sue the SEC.

It's unclear if an application by OU to the Pac-12 would draw the same threats of litigation against the Pac-12 from those Big 12 schools.

Stay tuned.

[Mizzou_8541]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Fixed

Lol!

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by kcclone

Texas and money created all the instability. Mizzou may have been one of the first to jump, because they saw the writing on the wall and had a place to land, but it's hard to blame them.

Every school is about themselves and money. Mizzou decided AFTER the creation of the Big XII that they didn’t like Texas’ version of that approach.

We knew who Texas was when we brought them in; buyers remorse is a poor excuse in this case.

[Mizzou_8541]

Originally Posted by Raiderhader

Clearly, you still think I’m a ****ing beaker. Put the gummies down, sober up and reread yesterday’s posts in this thread.

Wether Mizzou is relevant or not has nothing to do with them unilaterally choosing to reach out to the B1G.

Again. I don’t care who you are a fan of. You’re letting your emotions get the best of you.

Mizzou didn’t have to reach out. Ku did.

Spend less time worrying about me and Mizzou. Spend some time with your girlfriend or kids or something. I shouldn’t be as embedded in your brain as I am.

[Prison Bitch]

News: @Big12Conference administrators have discussed awarding Texas and Oklahoma extra revenue shares as a way to entice them into staying in the conference. https://t.co/R1r7CstwuG

— Dennis Dodd (@dennisdoddcbs) July 24, 2021

This move does 2 things:

1. Takes OU/Tex from $37M payouts to 57M, or about whatbrhe SEC is promising them

2. Reduces the others from $37M to $32M.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

And yet a Big 12 team is the reigning champ and the league is routinely at or near the top in all ratings systems. But hey, keep grasping til something works.

And that’s gotten the Big 12 what exactly? About to go up in smoke after Texas and OU depart . . . . . . .

Kind of the whole point of this thread.


College football rules the day. That’s where the money goes. No one gives a shit about basketball besides a few rabid fanbases.

Sorry for your loss . . . .

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by Mizzou_8541

Again. I don’t care who you are a fan of. You’re letting your emotions get the best of you.

Mizzou didn’t have to reach out. Ku did.

Spend less time worrying about me and Mizzou. Spend some time with your girlfriend or kids or something. I shouldn’t be as embedded in your brain as I am.

You spend more time with your loved ones and less time in this thread you silly hypocrite.

And Mizzou did reach out, to the B1G, and got shunned.

History, facts, they are annoying things but, they are things just the same.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

News: @Big12Conference administrators have discussed awarding Texas and Oklahoma extra revenue shares as a way to entice them into staying in the conference. https://t.co/R1r7CstwuG

— Dennis Dodd (@dennisdoddcbs) July 24, 2021

This move does 2 things:

1. Takes OU/Tex from $37M payouts to 57M, or about whatbrhe SEC is promising them

2. Reduces the others from $37M to $32M.

Jesus Christ, that's pathetic.

[Hamwallet]

If you grew up in Nebraska, 18 years old 5 star recruit. You can make a couple million dollars now in college. Where would go? I bet it’s not Lincoln Nebraska. It’s probably LA, Miami, NY…. The college sports landscape is going to change so much in the next few years. Midwest schools will be finished. The only schools not in a major media market that won’t fold will be BYU, Notre Dame…. Religious Schools. That’s just my opinion.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by Mizzou_8541

Why wasn’t the B1G or SEC seeking out Ku, like they did Mizzou? Sorry bro. What you think is not what the rest of the landscape thinks. I know that hurts…you thought you were something great abs nobody else does. Just take your place at the end of the line, and accept it. Nobody cares about ku. Just deal with that.

The B1G has sought out KU before. It's not only football that matters. National brands matter. You have neither btw.

Aren't you a little embarrassed to still be bragging about being in the SEC? Do the other members even know you're there? When you were invited a decade ago, you looked like a program on the rise in each sport. That quickly faded and you returned to the reality of being bums in everything.

We get it. You have to watch KU succeed every year in b-ball while you're a perennial doormat. This year you'll probably have to read about them becoming the winningest program in CBB history. And even in football, just when you thought you had a team good enough to accomplish something on a national stage, KU rose up and stole the Orange Bowl from right underneath you. God, I'd be angry too.

And when this SEC super league emerges? You're going to feel lucky to finish in the top 16 in either sport once every 5 years. Hahaha....

God, it has to suck to be a Missouri fan.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

News: @Big12Conference administrators have discussed awarding Texas and Oklahoma extra revenue shares as a way to entice them into staying in the conference. https://t.co/R1r7CstwuG

— Dennis Dodd (@dennisdoddcbs) July 24, 2021

This move does 2 things:

1. Takes OU/Tex from $37M payouts to 57M, or about whatbrhe SEC is promising them

2. Reduces the others from $37M to $32M.

Lol. Big 12 getting desperate now.

Throwing a Hail Mary and I guess the rest of the conference AD’s are willing to just bend over and take it from OU and UT??

Too funny.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

College football rules the day. That’s where the money goes. No one gives a shit about basketball besides a few rabid fanbases.

Sorry for your loss . . . .

I’m looking at the NCAA report on annual FB and hoops attendance, and the television audiences as well. Have you seen the numbers or just goin DeBerg ?

[TribalElder]

RIP Big12

[Mizzou_8541]

Originally Posted by Raiderhader

You spend more time with your loved ones and less time in this thread you silly hypocrite.

And Mizzou did reach out, to the B1G, and got shunned.

History, facts, they are annoying things but, they are things just the same.

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

The B1G has sought out KU before. It's not only football that matters. National brands matter. You have neither btw.

Aren't you a little embarrassed to still be bragging about being in the SEC? Do the other members even know you're there? When you were invited a decade ago, you looked like a program on the rise in each sport. That quickly faded and you returned to the reality of being bums in everything.

We get it. You have to watch KU succeed every year in b-ball while you're a perennial doormat. This year you'll probably have to read about them becoming the winningest program in CBB history. And even in football, just when you thought you had a team good enough to accomplish something on a national stage, KU rose up and stole the Orange Bowl from right underneath you. God, I'd be angry too.

And when this SEC super league emerges? You're going to feel lucky to finish in the top 16 in either sport once every 5 years. Hahaha....

God, it has to suck to be a Missouri fan.

So many words to say “I’m scared about our AD, yet I’m going to type paragraphs about the irrelevancy of Mizzou.” Y’all are so scared and nervous about where you will land. We aren’t. There’s a reason for that. Ku is irrelevant. Mizzou isn’t.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

Jesus Christ, that's pathetic.

Makes sense tho. They provide inordinate value. Why shouldn’t they keep more? I’ve always admitted KU gets a great deal in the B12 because the rabid FB schools cut us huge checks each year that we don’t earn, while letting us hoard all our hoops profits.

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Fixed

Just in case you missed the average viewers per game last year.

OTAL VIEWERS BY CONFERENCE MEMBER (GAMES ON ESPN CHANNELS, ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, FS1) - FINAL

LISTED IN THE MILLIONS

CONFERENCE TOTAL
310.89 - SEC (73)
254.45 - ACC (66)
223.03 - Big Ten (69)
171.81 - Big 12 (97)
87.54 - Pac 12 (62)
67.00 - AAC (63)
31.07 - Sun Belt (44)
16.81 - MWC (29)
15.30 - CUSA (22)
13.44 - MAC (18)

PER MEMBER AVERAGE
22.21 - SEC (5.2)
17.18 - Big 12 (9.7)
16.96 - ACC (4.4)
15.93 - Big Ten (4.9)
7.30 - Pac 12 (5.2)
6.09 - AAC (5.7)
3.11 - Sun Belt (4.4)
1.40 - MWC (2.4)
1.18 - CUSA (1.7)
1.12 - MAC (1.5)

PER GAME AVERAGE
4.26 - SEC
3.86 - ACC
3.23 - Big Ten
1.77 - Big 12
1.41 - Pac 12
1.06 - AAC
0.75 - MAC
0.71 - Sun Belt
0.70 - CUSA
0.58 - MWC

BIG 12
30.72 - Oklahoma (10)
27.11 - Iowa State (12)
26.17 - Texas (9)
23.95 - Oklahoma State (11)
15.55 - West Virginia (10)
14.19 - Kansas State (10)
10.87 - TCU (10)
10.74 - Texas Tech (8)
8.02 - Baylor (9)
4.49 - Kansas (8)

ACC
70.52 - Notre Dame (12)
60.22 - Clemson (9)
24.22 - North Carolina (8)
21.72 - Miami (7)
13.62 - Georgia Tech (5)
11.59 - Florida State (4)
11.50 - Boston College (3)
8.97 - Louisville (4)
7.00 - Virginia Tech (3)
5.58 - NC State (3)
5.49 - Pittsburgh (2)
5.44 - Wake Forest (2)
4.71 - Duke (2)
3.87 - Syracuse (2)
0.00 - Virginia (0)

BIG TEN
69.01 - Ohio State (7)
22.01 - Indiana (8)
21.38 - Northwestern (6)
19.87 - Michigan (5)
18.28 - Penn State (7)
16.93 - Michigan State (6)
16.54 - Wisconsin (5)
12.61 - Nebraska (5)
9.50 - Minnesota (4)
8.91 - Iowa (6)
3.11 - Illinois (4)
2.86 - Maryland (2)
1.56 - Rutgers (3)
0.46 - Purdue (1)

PAC 12
19.81 - Oregon (7)
13.37 - Southern Cal (6)
7.28 - UCLA (7)
6.47 - Stanford (6)
6.18 - Colorado (5)
6.12 - Arizona (5)
6.05 - Utah (5)
5.71 - Oregon State (6)
5.21 - Washington (4)
4.32 - Arizona State (4)
4.03 - Washington State (4)
2.99 - California (3)

SEC
87.64 - Alabama (12)
44.33 - Florida (11)
34.67 - Georgia (5)
28.65 - Auburn (8)
27.36 - Texas A&M (8)
23.31 - LSU (6)
17.26 - Tennessee (5)
11.67 - Mississippi (3)
11.12 - Mississippi State (4)
8.40 - South Carolina (4)
7.15 - Arkansas (3)
5.22 - Kentucky (2)
2.09 - Missouri (1)
2.02 - Vanderbilt (1)

AAC
16.55 - Cincinnati (8)
10.36 - Central Florida (8)
8.42 - Tulsa (9)
8.31 - Navy (6)
5.44 - Memphis (6)
5.11 - Houston (5)
5.08 - Tulane (8)
3.37 - SMU (6)
2.31 - East Carolina (4)
2.05 - South Florida (3)
0.00 - Temple (0)

CUSA
4.34 - Marshall (3)
3.13 - UTSA (4)
2.13 - Louisiana Tech (5)
1.83 - Western Kentucky (3)
1.27 - Florida Atlantic (1)
0.64 - Middle Tennessee (1)
0.64 - North Texas (1)
0.50 - UAB (1)
0.41 - Charlotte (1)
0.28 - Southern Miss (1)
0.13 - UTEP (1)

MAC
3.83 - Buffalo (4)
2.65 - Ball State (2)
1.20 - Western Michigan (2)
1.19 - Central Michigan (2)
1.15 - Kent State (2)
0.96 - Akron (1)
0.72 - Toledo (1)
0.71 - Ohio (1)
0.64 - Miami-OH (1)
0.20 - Northern Illinois (1)
0.19 - Bowling Green (1)

MWC
3.56 - San Jose State (4)
2.94 - Boise State (4)
2.32 - Nevada (4)
2.16 - Hawaii (2)
1.52 - Utah State (3)
1.47 - San Diego State (2)
1.17 - New Mexico (3)
0.49 - Air Force (2)
0.44 - UNLV (2)
0.29 - Colorado State (1)
0.26 - Wyoming (1)
0.19 - Fresno State (1)

SUN BELT
6.42 - Coastal Carolina (7)
6.16 - Louisiana-Lafayette (6)
4.71 - Appalachian State (7)
4.20 - Arkansas State (6)
2.60 - Texas State (4)
2.04 - Georgia State (3)
1.74 - Georgia Southern (4)
1.61 - Troy (3)
1.46 - South Alabama (3)
0.13 - Louisiana-Monroe (1)

INDEPENDENTS
9.95 - Army (4)
9.50 - BYU (11)
2.87 - Liberty (3)
0.13 - Massachusetts (1)