Chiefs Chiefs trade Tyreek Hill to the Dolphins - Page 58

Dante84 · 03-23-2022, 10:34 AM

Will update OP with more info.

Here it is: The #Chiefs are trading six-time Pro Bowl WR Tyreek Hill to the #Dolphins, sources tell me and @TomPelissero.

The return is a first-round pick and more, while Hill gets a contract extension that puts him among the highest paid WRs in the NFL.
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) March 23, 2022

Chiefs are trading six-time Pro-Bowl WR Tyreek Hill to the Miami Dolphins for five draft picks: a 2022 1st-round pick (No. 29), a 2nd-round pick (No. 50) and a 4th-round pick, as well as 4th- and 6th-round picks in the 2023 draft, sources tell ESPN.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) March 23, 2022

-King- · 03-23-2022, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Dorsey would have given him that dumbass contract and put us in cap he’ll AGAIN and then drafted shitty ass players with later picks like he did in Cleveland

We're 1 year into Mahomes contract and we're already having to trade our 2nd best player because we don't want to pay him. If that isn't cap hell, I don't know what is.

**The Franchise** · 03-23-2022, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Gonna lose Jones next year in all probability anyway.

So here's something I think few are considering - the QB market is INSANE. Since Mahomes signed his deal people have said "hey, we'll just keep kicking the can and in 5 years when that cap number hits $50 million we'll just renegotiate...."

What if we....didn't. Because I've got a sneaking suspicion that if we stop kicking that can and just let that deal stand as written, it'll be a screaming bargain now until it expires. And then we're under pressure to come back to the table as QBs contracts start to push north of $50+ million in annual guarantees.

We can consider that sort of thing if we DON'T go balls to the wall trying to retain Hill. Or if we move on from Jones when it's pretty obvious that he's not worth a $27 cap charge.

We just have to be much MUCH smarter in how we're doing things. And this is, in many ways, a positive sign. We've seen it all off-season. We were in on Smith until his market got stupid and we pulled the chute. Then it got more stupid somehow. We sat down with Hill and tried to get something done but when he decided he wanted to set records, we said no mas.

We got JuJu on dick in guarantees. We got Reid at 60% what Mathieu was demanding.

Now I do wish we'd have gone ahead and re-signed Ward now, but I don't think this was Veach's plan when a decision point came on Ward.

This all demonstrates that Veach is past his "hold the paddle up until you win" approach of the last 4 years. And that approach was disastrous long-term.

The time to build up the youth of this team is now. Especially after every team in the AFC West went all in. Those teams are all going to have to pay their QB at sometime and that’s when our 2nd window opens.

comochiefsfan · 03-23-2022, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

What have we said for years?

There will come a time when Patrick Mahomes, of only by dint of his contract, will have to make his WRs.

Well that time has come. Patrick's gonna have to make some B tier guys look better than they are. And he has the skills to do that.

And I don't want to hear one single goddamn thing about how much he does or does not trust them.

Time to put your big boy pants on and MAKE these guys into weapons, Patrick.

Yep. We're about to see exactly how great Patrick is.

Chiefer89 · 03-23-2022, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by irafreak

Why is it there always has to be two sides and only two sides?

We could've kept hill for this year under contract and rounded out the roster and fought for another title then let him walk/tag and trade for less next year. It wasn't pay him 30 million now or trade him.

It just feels like we took ourselves out of contention now for the future and nothing is guaranteed in life. Windows don't stay open long in most cases. And we probably just closed this one in the hopes of opening another later. Hope it works out.

There's no doubt we will grab a receiver in the draft. And get help on defense.

Dunerdr · 03-23-2022, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Dorsey would have given him that dumbass contract and put us in cap he’ll AGAIN and then drafted shitty ass players with later picks like he did in Cleveland

Dorsey would have tagged him, let him have a career year then paid him too much at age 30.

Fishels · 03-23-2022, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yup.

As they say, 'flags fly forever'.

Someone in baseball a few years back said "the least valuable commodity in the sport right now is the present..."

They're absolutely right. Because once a deal gets made, suddenly everything you did WITH that person goes out the window. Which led to silly decisions whereby teams never considered what you could accomplish with a guy and how long that can reverberate. The Braves could've dealt Freeman at the deadline - they didn't. You think they give a shit? Flags fly forever fellas and they'd lose him as a FA 100 times out of 100 to secure that WS.

"We made a commitment to him! Tyreek should have taken less to stay!!!"

Dafuq? The hell you say - Tyreek Hill signed a 3 year deal in September of '19 and our commitment to him led to 3 straight AFC Championships, 2 Hunt trophy's and a Lombardi.

That tab is paid, y'all. Dudes contributions here were FAR in excess of what we paid him. And by paying him, we also managed to extend our team control over him to the point we could then deal him.

That commitment has been satisfied over and over again. We're WELL ahead of the game with Tyreek Hill, even had we taken him in the top 10 of the draft.

"Don't cry because it's over - smile because it happened..."

The '**** Tyreek' crowd can sodomize themselves with a cactus. That shit is just stupid.

Nah. Tyreeks success is just as much a product of the amazing support we gave him and the man throwing to him, which he’s going to find out quick with Tua. There was no reason for this to happen, but greedy selfish players aren’t level headed people. I’ll say it again, Chiefs weren’t offering minimum wage. The idea he wasn’t being compensated ENOUGH for a TEAM sport is pretty silly. But then again I also think paying someone 500 million is pretty out of control too for what it’s worth. That’s just me.

Hammock Parties · 03-23-2022, 02:20 PM

Chiefs should have just let his contract run out and then tagged him.

Probably get two more Super Bowls doing that.

Instead you get a 1st and a bunch of fluff picks.

Jiminy ****ing Christmas, it's all ****ing over.

staylor26 · 03-23-2022, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Chiefs should have just let his contract run out and then tagged him.

Probably get two more Super Bowls doing that.

Instead you get a 1st and a bunch of fluff picks.

Jiminy ****ing Christmas, it's all ****ing over.

Good. Maybe you should just leave forever!

**The Franchise** · 03-23-2022, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Chiefs should have just let his contract run out and then tagged him.

Probably get two more Super Bowls doing that.

Instead you get a 1st and a bunch of fluff picks.

Jiminy ****ing Christmas, it's all ****ing over.

After the offseason you’ve had….you may want to lay low for awhile with posting.

Red Dawg · 03-23-2022, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Chiefs should have just let his contract run out and then tagged him.

Probably get two more Super Bowls doing that.

Instead you get a 1st and a bunch of fluff picks.

Jiminy ****ing Christmas, it's all ****ing over.

2 more SB's? Shut up. Keeping Hill against his will would not lock up 2 SB's.

stumppy · 03-23-2022, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lilmrp117

The worst part about this isn't that we traded Tyreek - it's all of the circumstances surrounding the trade, especially the timing. Tyreek has been underpaid for years and this obviously built up a lot of resentment. After it was clear he was out of legal trouble, veach should have re-done his contract to make him a top 5-10 paid WR. He let multiple years go by without fixing the injustice of Tyreek getting severely underpaid. Also, if you're going to trade him this off-season, that shit needed to be done before free agency so we could have signed a decent replacement 1 wr like Robinson and also get some decent dline free agents. Veach alienated a rare talent by letting him go underpaid for years and then screwed the team with this last minute desperation trade. Terrible timing and planning.

Veach did exactly what a good GM does in this league.
Let him go underpaid? WTF

The NFL is all about business. Not about feelings. Same as any other business out there.

KingPriest2 · 03-23-2022, 02:22 PM

As much as I hate to see him go. Hill was a generational talent But things to think about.

His cap hit would’ve been huge. We wouldn’t have any money to sign anyone and less draft picks

We picked up 5 draft picks. And $21 mil in cap space. That 5-9 new players

We have 13 draft picks this year. THIRTEEN! When was that lady time we had that many?

In the 2022 NFL Draft, the Chiefs have 10 picks. They are:
Round 1 pick 29
Round 1, Pick 30;
Round 2 pick 50
Round 2, Pick 62;
Round 3, Pick 94;
Round 3, Pick 102;
Round 4, 133;
Round 4.
Round 6, Pick 189;
Round 7, Pick 231;
Round 7, Pick 241;
Round 7, Pick 249; and
Round 7, Pick 260.

8 picks in top 135

In 2023 we will have more cap room as well as

Round 1
Round 2
Round 3
Round 3. Comp pick pooles
Round 4
Round 4. Dolphins
Round 5
Round 6
Round 6 dolphins
Round 7

2 extra comp picks ward and mathieu. Possible equal to 3rds

12 picks

We are going to get extra picks with Ward and if Mathieu signs elsewhere

That’s 23 picks in 2 drafts.

Just think of the leverage we have with these picks

The trade market was set off Hill when Adams was traded The value us almost the same.

Our o line is set for the next few years

Except maybe for RT

Mahomes

CEH. Lost Williams and McKinnon

FB is set

WR. Hmmmm

Defense

Fenton Sneed
Thornhill Reid
Gay Bolton

All young players

We do have nadi jones and Clark

Draft meds

WR
Edge
LB
CB
RB

Bolton. Was no 58
Humphrey. No 63
Smith no 226

Still have Grey

CEH. 28
Gay 63
Sneed 138

Niang was 96 and Danna 177

Hardman 56
Thornhill 63
Fenton 201

Saunders 85. Allegrettu 216

Nadi 75

Watts was 124.

Mahomes 10

Jones 37
Hill 165

Peters 18
Morse 49

Now they can package drsft picks in a trade to move up. Or pick up players leading up to training camp

Looking at it. We are better off for the long haul. When our rivals can’t pay because of the cap. We will be set

The market wasn’t set for 2 first round ouch’s. This is what we were going to get for Hill.

Everyone is overlooking the fact we were limited by the cap and we have 25 picks the next 2 years

We can’t judge this trade by today. Everyone is shocked but if you sit back and look we are in great shape

htismaqe · 03-23-2022, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by irafreak

Why is it there always has to be two sides and only two sides?

CP is just a reflection of modern society. Everything has to be polarized hyperbole. If you're not on a side, you're not "giving it everything you have".

I've been saying it about this place for years and as recently as a few days ago - there's no room for middle ground here.

Mile High Mania · 03-23-2022, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

Yep. We're about to see exactly how great Patrick is.

Well, his TD production fell nearly 50% in his second year as the starter - that's no bueno. In year 3, it increased, but he was still only 76% of his best season and it declined from that number last season.

I think he's broken and you guys should probably find a buyer for him while you can. The stats show a decline in production that few can recover from, especially now that they've traded Hill.

Hill was 28% of Pat's TD production... dramatic, likely unrecoverable for KC. I'm sorry.

boilertiger · 03-23-2022, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Chiefs should have just let his contract run out and then tagged him.

Probably get two more Super Bowls doing that.

Instead you get a 1st and a bunch of fluff picks.

Jiminy ****ing Christmas, it's all ****ing over.

No way he plays in 2022 on his current contract. Rosenhaus would have him sit out and demand a trade. There were three options going forward:

1) Hill sits out and the Chiefs eventually trade him for much less when all leverage has been lost. CRUSHING the Chiefs in 2022.
2) Hill gets traded now.
3) Hill resigns for some absurd deal.

Options 1 and 3 would have been horrible for KC. In option 1 the Chiefs are a broken team in 2022 but may recover. Option 3 the Chiefs would be a broken team for several years.

03-23-2022, 10:34 AM
Dante84 Tossed Salad & Scrambled Eggs Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: ATX & OPKS Casino cash: $-98004 VARSITY	Chiefs trade Tyreek Hill to the Dolphins Will update OP with more info. Here it is: The #Chiefs are trading six-time Pro Bowl WR Tyreek Hill to the #Dolphins, sources tell me and @TomPelissero. The return is a first-round pick and more, while Hill gets a contract extension that puts him among the highest paid WRs in the NFL. — Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) March 23, 2022 Chiefs are trading six-time Pro-Bowl WR Tyreek Hill to the Miami Dolphins for five draft picks: a 2022 1st-round pick (No. 29), a 2nd-round pick (No. 50) and a 4th-round pick, as well as 4th- and 6th-round picks in the 2023 draft, sources tell ESPN. — Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) March 23, 2022
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KingPriest2 Super Grover Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $8935135	As much as I hate to see him go. Hill was a generational talent But things to think about. His cap hit would’ve been huge. We wouldn’t have any money to sign anyone and less draft picks We picked up 5 draft picks. And $21 mil in cap space. That 5-9 new players We have 13 draft picks this year. THIRTEEN! When was that lady time we had that many? In the 2022 NFL Draft, the Chiefs have 10 picks. They are: Round 1 pick 29 Round 1, Pick 30; Round 2 pick 50 Round 2, Pick 62; Round 3, Pick 94; Round 3, Pick 102; Round 4, 133; Round 4. Round 6, Pick 189; Round 7, Pick 231; Round 7, Pick 241; Round 7, Pick 249; and Round 7, Pick 260. 8 picks in top 135 In 2023 we will have more cap room as well as Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Round 3. Comp pick pooles Round 4 Round 4. Dolphins Round 5 Round 6 Round 6 dolphins Round 7 2 extra comp picks ward and mathieu. Possible equal to 3rds 12 picks We are going to get extra picks with Ward and if Mathieu signs elsewhere That’s 23 picks in 2 drafts. Just think of the leverage we have with these picks The trade market was set off Hill when Adams was traded The value us almost the same. Our o line is set for the next few years Except maybe for RT Mahomes CEH. Lost Williams and McKinnon FB is set WR. Hmmmm Defense Fenton Sneed Thornhill Reid Gay Bolton All young players We do have nadi jones and Clark Draft meds WR Edge LB CB RB Bolton. Was no 58 Humphrey. No 63 Smith no 226 Still have Grey CEH. 28 Gay 63 Sneed 138 Niang was 96 and Danna 177 Hardman 56 Thornhill 63 Fenton 201 Saunders 85. Allegrettu 216 Nadi 75 Watts was 124. Mahomes 10 Jones 37 Hill 165 Peters 18 Morse 49 Now they can package drsft picks in a trade to move up. Or pick up players leading up to training camp Looking at it. We are better off for the long haul. When our rivals can’t pay because of the cap. We will be set The market wasn’t set for 2 first round ouch’s. This is what we were going to get for Hill. Everyone is overlooking the fact we were limited by the cap and we have 25 picks the next 2 years We can’t judge this trade by today. Everyone is shocked but if you sit back and look we are in great shape __________________ Quote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by Taco John If you're not sure who you're voting for at this point in time, you can abandon all connection to the word "smart." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by Taco John ...He asked who I am voting for. I told him, "well, that depends... ."
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