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Would they have taken simmons over Conerly if he was still on the board
That's the million dollar question. We'll never have the answer.

But damn it's a fascinating thought exercise.
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The value lost in that calculus is about a 1st round pick next season.

I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make there.

Risk is of COURSE mitigated by the amount of said risk you're taking on. Which is directly related to where the pick was made.

I mean...yeah. And? I'm fine with Moore at $15 million/season. I wouldn't have been fine with him at $30 million. It's not because I care about his take-home, it's because I care about how it impacts the cap and this what we can/cannot do around him. Again - a direct risk assessment.

That's...universal. It's every argument ever had about personnel on this board. Hell, it was what spun me up about Skyy.

What you're arguing is effectively a truism.
I’m not really arguing anything, more just trying to tease out your approach versus theirs and seeing where they diverge.

Before the draft, you seemed like you would’ve been okay with him in the second. And that’s pretty much on the basis of knowing nothing of the specific medicals and just taking him as the median case in the study that showed that only 1 of 15 OL really recovered from the injury to play at a similar level. Totally fair.

So then let’s consider that the Chiefs have a bit more of the specific medical information that - to them at least - puts him in a more favorable light versus said median. And then maybe they have him on their board in the 5ish range instead of your 10-15.

If you work with the above construct, then gap would seem to narrow between your taking him in the second to their doing so in the first. That’s all.
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The most hilarious thing thing about that video, is how the armchair general manager wannabes here along with the "expert" Phoenix University/DeVry PHD "medical staff" here...pretend to know so, so much more about Simmons than Brown, Simms, Reid, Veatch, and the entire Chief's staff who are paid handsomely to make these decisions.

Of course, if Simmons doesn't pan out--they'll be screaming "we told you so!" regarding a proposition that involves about a 50% or less hit rate to begin with. Priceless!

EDIT: As for Moore's contract--it's Clark's $$$ and Veatch obviously had his "permission"...what are we whining about? Gosh, DEPTH, on the OLine...the travesty!?!
The annoying thing will be, yes, they will scream “I told you so”. But if he hits they will love it and excuse him as an outlier and act like they weren’t jack asses the last 10 hours.
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Okay, so you would’ve been okay in the second. They got him in the first instead.

It’s not like the decision is out in some other orbit and indefensible.
And the benefit of the 5th year option outweighs the value difference. At least imo
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I assume you are you using a machine to do that, correct?



My CrossFit gym just happens to be doing squats today at 80%+ of 1RM. Just looked at the leaderboard and one dude did 385 pounds. Next most is 335. One dude I know who is a moderately good CrossFitter (way better than me) I see did 255. None of these guys are rehabbing torn knee ligaments, and yes none of them are professional athletes. I get that pro athletes are mostly way above these guys. Just still believe that for a ligament that was surgically repaired a few months ago we don't have to act like 225 pounds is nothing. If he's doing that and somebody is evaluating that the knee is functioning properly and looking good that could be meaningful.

Yeah, usually on a machine with a spotter. Sometimes with knee on bench.

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To strengthen the ligament, this point of the rehab probably calls for lower weight and higher reps. To lower risk of re-injury and strengthening the affected area.



Educated guess, but highly likely.

Sure. The point about him squatting 225 on both legs is that if he’s squatting half the weight you’d reasonably expect to be his max rep, they’re not testing if he has regained his full strength and flexibility after the repair. So you don’t have a gauge of how much of what he was before the injury, is still present. You can be confident the surgery was good, but you haven’t texted if the knee is as powerful and good as it was before.

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So I don’t think it’s directly translatable into just simply saying that you’d feel comfortable drafting him 5-10 slots later as a result, but where would you have been okay taking him?

I told DJ - and he disagreed with me - that I wouldn’t take him. But at best, a player with these risk would be a Day 3 guy for me.
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If the Chiefs signed Moore because they were 100% confident they were going to get Simmons, they wouldn't have traded back because the Eagles could absolutely have used a long-term replacement at RT for Lane Johnson.

Those decisions were made independently of each other.
The work they put into Simmons during the same timeframe they signed Moore disagrees with that, doesn’t it?
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Okay, so you would’ve been okay in the second. They got him in the first instead.

It’s not like the decision is out in some other orbit and indefensible.
It's a risk no matter what. The cost of the risk is what makes it a better or worse decision.

Buying a work car that might last a year for $600 is much better than buying one for $6,000.
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Agreed. Simmons had a higher upside than Moore, no question.

But again, we've won a championship with 'solid' at the position. Arguably less than that.

I think we're fine focusing on floor at LT. Smart to do so, in fact.

DL, RB - gimme ceiling. Secondary, LB, OL - I'm emphasizing floor. WR would largely depend on the existing room.
As Mahomes gets older, a better LT might be more important.
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The annoying thing will be, yes, they will scream “I told you so”. But if he hits they will love it and excuse him as an outlier and act like they weren’t jack asses the last 10 hours.
The god complex of some here is outrageous. I have 50,000 posts so I know everything and you can’t argue with me.
I think I have a few posts you haven't downvoted yet, champ.

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What you keep missing is how good this guy is technically right now.

This isn't Kingsley learning to play the position.
No, I didn't. I just explained why he's good.

And if he can't move he's shit. Complete shit. Kingsly will be on the field. He'll be ass but he'll be an NFL player. This is not a thing that matters now - that flare up could come next week or next year and then he's done.

No one is arguing about his upside but you. We all know what it was before the injury.
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The most hilarious thing thing about that video, is how the armchair general manager wannabes here along with the "expert" Phoenix University/DeVry PHD "medical staff" here...pretend to know so, so much more about Simmons than Brown, Simms, Reid, Veatch, and the entire Chief's staff who are paid handsomely to make these decisions.

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EDIT: As for Moore's contract--it's Clark's $$$ and Veatch obviously had his "permission"...what are we whining about? Gosh, DEPTH, on the OLine...the travesty!?!
I always enjoy this.

Guys get specifically called out, often by name, and when they respond - in a public discussion forum - this is the result.

Okay fella. Keep on pissing in your shoes and wondering why your socks are wet.
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Why would it?

I had a couple wholly benign posts with a red thumb, figured I'd see why.

Otherwise it's draft season. Red thumbs are to be expected. Scurry along now tiger - you have posts to vote on.
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No, I didn't. I just explained why he's good.

And if he can't move he's shit. Complete shit. Kingsly will be on the field. He'll be ass but he'll be an NFL player. This is not a thing that matters now - that flare up could come next week or next year and then he's done.

No one is arguing about his upside but you. We all know what it was before the injury.







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