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Old 06-22-2017, 02:12 PM  
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Dorsey gone?
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The ****?
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Old 06-22-2017, 08:07 PM   #841
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It's all on Mahomes at this point

With this roster and a franchise QB, it would take a REALLY incompetent GM to fail
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Old 06-22-2017, 08:08 PM   #842
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Old 06-22-2017, 08:09 PM   #843
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Old 06-22-2017, 08:10 PM   #844
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Spin it bossman!

LOL

1st kc passes on Vet FA's,

Then moving up in the draft to reach on a QBOTF

Then dumping cap space.

Now they dump their GM

Sure sounds like a team in a full on rebuild to me.

I guess no one was happy with one WC win in over 20 years.
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Old 06-22-2017, 08:11 PM   #845
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I agree, what it makes me wonder is if Dorsey was made to understand that this was the situation coming in as well. If so I am amazed he took the job and then did so well at it.
If he was apprised that was how it was going to be he had to be looking to make a name for himself hoping to either prove his value and worth to KC. Making the Chiefs respectable again has to be a huge bonus on his resume.
In Dorsey's case it worked. And though it is not entirely out of the realm of possibility that such a scenario could work again, I argue that you will be hard pressed to find another guy with that level of talent identification and nose to the grindstone work ethic.

Do you recall Carl being that kind of guy? Or Peeholi?

Nope. Because it is a rare commodity.
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Old 06-22-2017, 08:11 PM   #846
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Do you know what's hilarious and SO ****ing Chiefsplanet?

If Hunt fired Reid, the guy that's led them to 4 straight winning seasons and the first playoff win in 23 years, there are people here that would be ECSTATIC.

Meanwhile, the guy that signed bad contracts to multiple players and has been widely criticized on CP was fired, now it's all over.
A talented coaching staff means more than a talented roster then.
That same coach that constantly and consistently over his entire career has had severe problems with clock management, timeout usage and play calling and is unwilling to change.
Where as a team could hire a cap contract specialist in order to keep the best talent evaluator that this franchise has had in what seems like a lifetime.
Players can make coaches look like geniuses and coaches can make players look like shit. There has to be a balance.
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Old 06-22-2017, 08:12 PM   #847
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It's all on Mahomes at this point

With this roster and a franchise QB, it would take a REALLY incompetent GM to fail
No faith in Veach? With Andy's help, a strong personnel and coaching staff already in place, it won't be a huge challenge.

Big shoes to fill tho.
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Old 06-22-2017, 08:13 PM   #848
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In Dorsey's case it worked. And though it is not entirely out of the realm of possibility that such a scenario could work again, I argue that you will be hard pressed to find another guy with that level of talent identification and nose to the grindstone work ethic.

Do you recall Carl being that kind of guy? Or Peeholi?

Nope. Because it is a rare commodity.
Carl's problem was refusal to address the QB position. With a top QB, he'd probably have two or three championships
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Old 06-22-2017, 08:13 PM   #849
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WHAT?

This place was dead on in knowing that Carl and Pioli were cancer had to be cut out.
No one can put Dorsey in the same can as Hot Carl and Pioli.

I totally agree with you, Hunt waited way too long to fire both of them. Dorsey built a solid core of starters out of the draft and had to take some risks on guys like reek and Peters to look better than he might have been but he wasn't trash.

My guess would be the lack of cap management and the lack of being able to sign big time FA's who could make the team better though Dorsey was hamstrung by Reid in the FA market with him breaking the rules to sign Macklin.

I guess it came down to one or the other by the Hunts and they chose to give the HC the nod hoping he can game manage enough wins until they get a chance to see what the rookie QB can do.

If Mahommes pans out then the deal was worth it, if not then the Hunts have to pay Andy and a new HC for a couple years.

It is easier for the locker room to have that continuity by not changing the HC rather than keeping the GM, especially at this point of the year. Really this is a decision the Hunts had to know was coming at the end of the season as there is no way you are firing a HC after Mini-camp and before TC.
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Old 06-22-2017, 08:13 PM   #850
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That almost makes it more irritating. Coaches/front office execs don't count against the cap. Pay the man.
If this is the case. Wow. WTF. You payed Franchise Killer big ****ing money at least pay this guy who is a competent GM.

Jesus I hope this isn't the case.
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Old 06-22-2017, 08:13 PM   #851
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I'm shocked. I have no idea what to say... Unbelievable. We finally get a good GM and now he is gone just like that.
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Reid, playoff choke artist, zero Super Bowl wins, Chiefs!
And what does Dorsey have? Are we going to give him credit for the Packers Superbowl win when he was director of college scouting? If so then Reid gets credit for when the Packers won and he was an assistant coach.

Or where were you going with this?
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No one can put Dorsey in the same can as Hot Carl and Pioli.
No one is putting him there.

It's pretty obvious who was better at his job at One Arrowhead, though, and it wasn't the fatso calling 300 screen passes.
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Old 06-22-2017, 08:15 PM   #854
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Carl's problem was refusal to address the QB position. With a top QB, he'd probably have two or three championships
He had nothing to choose from
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Didn't Dorsey fire a lot of scouting personnel? He couldn't get deals on with them or Maclin. Maybe he's made some bad internal decision we don't know about.
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