Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 559

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Prison Bitch · 07-31-2013, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

Well I was dreading a Zimmer for Kendrick type move, so this isn't so bad relatively speaking.
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Zimmer is untouchable. I expect him to break camp with the team and compete for a rotation spot next Spring. It would take something fierce for Dayton to move a guy who's going to the rotation very soon. Part of me thinks he could help the big league club right now.

Cephalic Trauma · 07-31-2013, 01:57 PM

Bob dutton got a question about Kyle Smith's stuff, and he said he "got guys out".

Gee Bob, ya think. Dude is an idiot on twitter.

ChiefsCountry · 07-31-2013, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

Lets call the defense a wash. For 2013, we may have gained about +.150 OPS for maybe about 80-100 AB. To the nearest tenth, how many wins is that worth?

Well he was 2.0 war player last year, this year he is at .4

**alnorth** · 07-31-2013, 01:58 PM

This feels like the move a GM would make if you told him that he must make the playoffs by the end of 2014 or he's fired.

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johnsickels ‏@MinorLeagueBall 6m Smith/Maxwell is shocking. Really. That would get vetoed by some fantasy commissioners

siberian khatru · 07-31-2013, 01:58 PM

Weird. Cain supposedly was about to come back to the lineup (although we know how that works with the Royals).

If Cain's going on the DL, the trade makes sense. Otherwise, we have 5 OFs, and that would suggest a Maxwell-Lough platoon with Dyson as a Herbie Washington, or occasionally spelling Cain vs. RHP.

I dunno, that kinda seems too fragmented for me. We'll see.

jbwm89 · 07-31-2013, 01:58 PM

I've always ready Smith probably ends up in the bullpen. If that is the case we have plenty of bullpen help I don't mind moving one that is in A ball.

Not the trade I was looking for, but i think Maxwell helps the team if Cain is hurt long term and is better than Dyson.

**DeezNutz** · 07-31-2013, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

Lets call the defense a wash. For 2013, we may have gained about +.150 OPS for maybe about 80-100 AB. To the nearest tenth, how many wins is that worth?

0.3 wins.

DM, proving once again, that he's a mother****ing stooge.

tyton75 · 07-31-2013, 01:59 PM

He's a Right Handed bat who hits lefties really well, has some speed and some power.. why wouldn't we want him for a smallish pitcher in A ball?

**alnorth** · 07-31-2013, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbwm89

I've always ready Smith probably ends up in the bullpen. If that is the case we have plenty of bullpen help I don't mind moving one that is in A ball.

Not the trade I was looking for, but i think Maxwell helps the team if Cain is hurt long term and is better than Dyson.

Yeah, this immediately raises questions about Cain.

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Sam Mellinger ‏@mellinger 1m I'm not sure what to make of the #Royals trade. I'll be even more confused if the corresponding move isn't Cain to DL.

Sure-Oz · 07-31-2013, 02:01 PM

This only makes sense if Cain is hurt....otherwise this does NOTHING for this year or 2014

duncan_idaho · 07-31-2013, 02:03 PM

It's about the smallish pitcher's value.

I don't mind moving Kyle Smith for big-league help. I mind moving him in an overpay.

**alnorth** · 07-31-2013, 02:04 PM

The trade deadline has passed.

Which doesn't really mean much for a couple hours. Most years, at least 1 or 2 trades take another hour to be known if they were submitted to MLB for approval in the final minutes.

silver5liter · 07-31-2013, 02:04 PM

Yay 2b is still shit

**ChiTown** · 07-31-2013, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

This only makes sense if Cain is hurt....otherwise this does NOTHING for this year or 2014

I'm telling you, I fully expect to hear Cain to the 60 Day DL

**alnorth** · 07-31-2013, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

This only makes sense if Cain is hurt....otherwise this does NOTHING for this year or 2014

If Cain is hurt, then this makes a lot more sense.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1889692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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