Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 557

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

duncan_idaho · 07-31-2013, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by penbook

He's basically a better version of Frenchy

Except Maxwell takes walks. Lots of them. Similar otherwise (big, good power when connecting, has done well against LHP in his career).

BigCatDaddy · 07-31-2013, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop

Probably merits its own thread

As much as a soccer thread would

**alnorth** · 07-31-2013, 01:23 PM

Withholding judgment till we find out what we gave up.

DJJasonp · 07-31-2013, 01:23 PM

What about Hunter Pence?

**ChiTown** · 07-31-2013, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook

So we need a Second baseman and we get a #4 Outfielder. Classic Dayton Moore.

I'm good with this trade - I actually like it. I wanted a Power Hitting OF, and a platoon guy works in this scenario. We still need a 2B, but I certainly don't think this falls under the "Classic Dayton Moore" mantra.

penbrook · 07-31-2013, 01:24 PM

Maxwell has also struck out 33 times in 40 games.

-King- · 07-31-2013, 01:24 PM

2013 Trade Deadline now nicknamed the "Ambien Deadline"
— JIM BOWDEN (@JimBowdenESPNxm) July 31, 2013

**alnorth** · 07-31-2013, 01:27 PM

These stats are weird. Strikes out a lot, but also walks a ton. Might have power depending on if 2012 was real. Murders lefties.

penbrook · 07-31-2013, 01:31 PM

Per Bob Dutton we gave up minor league pitcher Kyle Smith.

mr. tegu · 07-31-2013, 01:31 PM

How is his defense? I wonder if he will be more of a pinch hitter than a straight up platoon player.

Prison Bitch · 07-31-2013, 01:31 PM

Trade deadline is always dead, and will be until young cost-controlled players start making more money and vets start making less. Since this won't happen, the e(x) for young players adjusted for salary will continue to be sky high and hence un-tradeable.

**alnorth** · 07-31-2013, 01:31 PM

If Cain has trouble coming back, then if you staple Dyson and Maxwell together, you might have a decent outfielder.

Cephalic Trauma · 07-31-2013, 01:32 PM

He could debut tomorrow against Diamond.

duncan_idaho · 07-31-2013, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJJasonp

What about Hunter Pence?

Big difference between picking up a guy off waivers and shipping out a lotto ticket (what I expect happens with Maxwell) and what the Giants would demand for Pence (if they're even really moving him).

duncan_idaho · 07-31-2013, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook

Per Bob Dutton we gave up minor league pitcher Kyle Smith.

OK, out. That's absolutely reeruned.

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