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Old 03-23-2022, 10:34 AM  
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Chiefs trade Tyreek Hill to the Dolphins
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Old 03-23-2022, 01:54 PM   #811
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It's not as if We've been unsuccessful without Hill. We still put up points without him in the lineup.

The bottom line is we get extra draft capital to shore up other areas of need. Juju & Hardman are guys who can make a difference too.

I will miss him. But we just weren't in a position to give him the money he wanted.
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Old 03-23-2022, 01:55 PM   #812
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This actually isn't true. It's a 1-year deal. There's no cap hit next year at all.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-c...chuster-21804/
Not-likely-to-be-earned incentives count against the following year's cap when they're earned. This doesn't reflect that.
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Old 03-23-2022, 01:56 PM   #813
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What rookie WR's are you talking about? Hardman? The LATE 2nd round pick that only had 2 years of experience at WR? That guy?

Or LATE 5th round pick Powell?

We talking about Tyreek Hill who was a goddamn RB coming out of college?

Who are these rookie WR's that Reid failed to develop?
At TE O'Shaugnessy, then Chessun, Conley and D'AT. Not counting Da'Ron Brown or other 7th round / UDFA guys that aren't coming to mind when it feels like only Pringle managed to contribute.
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Old 03-23-2022, 01:57 PM   #814
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The whole Andy Reid and rookie WR thing is overblown.

Tyreek and Hardman were basically gadget guys in year 1 learning how to play the position on top of learning the scheme and they both had over 500 yards.

Whatever WR we draft will likely be a more polished WR.
Reid took a 5th round RB and turned him into a WR so prolific people are cutting themselves over his trade.

He took a late 2nd rnd WR with 2 years of experience at the position and turned him into a solid 500+ yard a season receiver.

I'm trying to find this rookie receiver he FAILED to develop. Because i see some goddamn abnormal success, not failures.

I would LOVE to see what Reid/Mahomes can do with an actual polished receiver.
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Old 03-23-2022, 01:58 PM   #816
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He's not even going to be able to spend all that money so yeah he basically is screwing the Chiefs. Be honest with yourself buddy.
Neither is Mahomes. He could have signed a quarter of a billion dollar contract but he didn't. I mean that's a few less yachts he can afford but I don't think he'll ever spend his half a billion dollar contract. Is he ****ing over the chiefs? Or is Hill the only one expected to take discounts?
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Well nobody is replacing Tyreek beyond filling the spot for a 80% of all offensive snaps as a receiver.

Replicating Gronk / Aaron Hernandez with Kelce and an analogue to Hernandez (hopefully without the criminality)
at TE isn't replacing Tyreek, but it certainly fills a void with pass catchers.
Possibly although everyone was high on Noah Gray as a rookie entering last season and he had a minimal impact.

It has historically been very difficult for rookie skill position players to have immediate impacts in Andy Reid's offense.
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What does that have to do with the Chiefs failing to upgrade their WR position last offseason and now having faith that they can get it right this offseason when the stakes are much higher without Tyreek?

And if you think that the struggles of the Chiefs non-Tyreek WR's didn't impact the second half collapse in the AFC Championship Game then you weren't watching the game.

DRob in OT anyone?
And now that the trade is done we have an excellent chance to load up on pass rushers and receivers in a draft that is strong in both areas.

It sucks losing Hill but if we keep him we’re cap strapped with no picks. Now we can fix our pass rush and get a decent WR to add to Kelce, Juju and Hardman.

Mahomes isn’t going to fall apart with that roster
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Old 03-23-2022, 02:00 PM   #821
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It’s kind of crazy.

The Chiefs took a chance on a 5th round pick with a guy who had off the field concerns.

They then get insane production for that player for several years then flip him for 5 picks, including a first and second.

Lord only knows what those 5 picks will lead to.

Talk about getting some ****ing value out of a 5th.

Think about it that way. It’ll make you feel better.
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Keep in mind we said the same exact thing about OL. Veach will have a different mindset now that his back against the wall. Keep in mind Hardman was largely brought in as insurance for tyreek so even that pick was brought in with a different mindset.
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I know it’ll get spun into me being a homer, but I’m excited, because I’m a draftubator nut.

I fully accept that the Chiefs might be worse off his year, but it’s not about 1 year.

This is the start of Veach’s new 3-5 year plan. I’m honestly excited for it.
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