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So just found out about zone 2 training recently. Really did not understand how easy I had to run. Started running End of May and until the end of August was only running 2 to 5 mpw but at all zone 4 and 5 intensity...like an idiot. Now running 10 mpw in zone 2 since Sept 1 and shaved my 5k time down to 28 minutes. Still bad but seem to be progressing at that distance now that I understand how to train.
Been tracking my heart rate only for 5 weeks now and weird thing is my max HR has increased from 180 to 191 and I haven't even been pushing myself in the hard runs near as much as I used to. Then my avg HR in easy long runs has also been increasing and my easy run pace hasn't improved....yet my 5k time very much improved. What kinda max HRs do you guys have? |
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My max when running is mid-upper 150's.
I would guess much higher on a max effort lift. |
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I'm talking about untrained novices. You can put on insane mass the first ~year of training no matter what you do in the gym and generally strength training is more efficient than body building for beginners.
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I've not tried to max out my heart rate lately, but I think my maximum is somewhere close to 167, or close to what someone my age (58.8) would have predicted by the formula 208 - (0.7*age). The highest my heart rate has gotten during a recent workout was 171, after running 8 cruise intervals (of 1 km each, with 200 m recoveries) in August. My resting heart rate this past week has averaged 39. I'm looking forward to the KC Marathon in 10 days, which I'm hoping to finish not too much slower than 5:15, close to my time last year, when I was about 10 pounds lighter. I'll be one of the heavy and slow runners, but my training has gone well these last couple of months and I was able to get my estimated VO2 max back to what Garmin says is excellent for my age group...but it's just barely there, a 44. |
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10-09-2024, 03:53 PM | #819 | |
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This zone 2 training stuff appears to be very helpful and I bet I'm still running in zone 3 too much. I need to go to some place that will do my lactate threshold stuff and calculate my heart zones for me so I don't overtrain. That was my biggest issue when I started. Just need to run a ton of miles easy mainly so you don't get injured. How many miles a week do you run? I'm going to work up to 20 and then get to 40 during the winter and really see how well I can do. The thing I like about running is I can absolutely suck at it but if I just put in the miles I will just beat people that don't run as often that are more talented lol |
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However, you are only cheating yourself. Doing workouts correctly isolates the muscle leading to max gains and a portioned body so it should not be taken lightly if you are serious about reaching your bodies full potential. |
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My argument still stands... Strength training is not an efficient way to build mass. Yes, a noob will get some size but thats only because they are starting at 0. Few in this thread are novice lifters so I don't know why its even being discussed? |
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I feel like they'd almost have to do something like the recent stuff I saw where one person did full ROM for half their body and lengthened partials for the other half... but given the overlap in methods, have always been curious if the difference would be like 2% or 20% over time.
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Strength training builds strength. You are training your CNS when strength training. When strength training you are in the low 1-5 rep range so there isn't the volume to cause the muscle tissue breakdown that is needed for muscle building. |
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Would an idiot do that?
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Strength also sometimes simply comes from within and can't be teached (in the sense i am talking about at least).
The lifters I know who have the most strength to bodyweight often lift with a lot of intensity and are in general very passionate ppl. |
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