Lamar Jackson wasn't, isn't, and never will be better than Patrick Mahomes

[Wallcrawler]

This "Lamar Jackson is in the same league as Mahomes" nonsense on every football related show I see needs to stop.

Lamar Jackson, on the biggest stage, has now shit down his leg in both opportunities. Lamar is a player who has to have everything around him working perfectly to have success. Put him down 2 scores and ask him to carry the team, he cannot answer the bell.

There's a big difference between a running quarterback, and a quarterback who can run. Lamar Jackson and The Ravens ran 88 plays and put up 12 points.

Jackson attempted 59 passes, only threw one touchdown, but also threw two picks and lost a fumble. 12 points on 59 pass attempts should tell you all you need to know about Lamar as a QB when the lights are the brightest.

Nobody would bat an eye if before the game, soneone told us Pat would put the ball up 59 times. Matter of fact, id be pretty excited to see how many points and yards he would put up in that span of plays.

When things got bad for both QBs, you saw the odds on favorite to win the MVP this year get visible frustrated, press, and ultimately fold. He was nowhere to be seen trying to work out what was happening, rallying his team, he simply pouted on the sideline as his team fell further behind.

The reigning MVP had literally no quit. Its one thing to say after the fact, that we had faith all along, its quite another for that to be true.

Down 24, think about that for a moment. 24. Mahomes is captured, in that moment on the sideline saying we have everything we want. Everyones already counted us the **** out, so go do something special.

Then, to walk the walk after talking the talk, leading the team to 7 straight touchdowns and 8 scoring drives, throwing 5 touchdown passes, and displaying a fiery emotion that if you dont feel anything when you see this kid going nuts after a huge play, call the coroner, because youre already dead.

The two qbs could not be further apart. Jackson cannot hold Mahomes jock when it comes to putting the team on his back.

Lamar should consider signing with KC as a running back. Its the only way barring injury to Mahomes, that hes ever getting a ring.

Mahomes is the MVP. Its not even close. Lamar is a running back executing the halfback pass play about 20-25 times a game.

Jacksons first two years have ended with dud playoff performances.

Mahomes first two years as a starter sees his team hosting back to back AFC title games for a frachise that in its entire history never hosted a single one before he arrived.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

As I’ve been watching the dumb triple coverage INT. Is there a world where mahomes and kelce complete that? It seems like Likely has a tiny bit of separation and no one over the top. Would require a pinpoint throw ahead and coming in high and hot with perfect timing. Which requires a great catch. Maybe an interesting thought if you’re kind of throwing it away but giving your TE a shot to make a play only he can make.

Lamar could not have thrown a worse ball on that throwing it short right into the coverage. But is it just me that this was actually doable with an elite throw and catch?

Only with absurd luck. Only Lamar is throwing that ball.

Maybe Brady throws it into the stands and gets a PI call.

[Eleazar]

This was the best team he’s had, and the rest of the AFC was more vulnerable than it’s ever going to be. This was the year if it was ever gonna happen for Lamar.

[KCJake]

I've been screaming this from the top of my lungs for 5 years now. Lamar is not a top 5 Quarterback. You could argue he's not even top 10.

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Yup. Allen has played us close most of the times and this year did it with a really banged up defense. His flaw is he can’t beat mahomes and burrow. Which is way different from, say, dak prescott who chokes against average teams too.

Lamar has been in the league for umpteen years. He’s had an absolutely loaded supporting cast that is tailor made for him. I mean, the defense and run game are the reason Lamar usually doesn’t have to play from behind. And this year with his most loaded supporting cast he still couldn’t get it done against a good team. Where is his signature win? Because his only playoff wins are against Tennessee and Houston.

Just reminds me of the Ravens fans saying that Lamar will "catch up to Mahomes" in SB wins or that it will all "even out" over the course of his career.

Mahomes Playoff Record: 14-3
Lamar Jacksons Playoff Record: 2-4

Good luck with that.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz

Just reminds me of the Ravens fans saying that Lamar will "catch up to Mahomes" in SB wins or that it will all "even out" over the course of his career.

Mahomes Playoff Record: 14-3
Lamar Jacksons Playoff Record: 2-4

Good luck with that.

The problem is even if he catches mahomes which is an uphill run that’s turned into a mountain, he has what… maybe 2 more years before he has to run less and before the meat of his contract gets hammered hard. This was their best shot by a mile. No burrow, chiefs not ant #1 seed, hobbled bills team and they blew it.

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The problem is even if he catches mahomes which is an uphill run that’s turned into a mountain, he has what… maybe 2 more years before he has to run less and before the meat of his contract gets hammered hard. This was their best shot by a mile. No burrow, chiefs not ant #1 seed, hobbled bills team and they blew it.

Yup. Devastating loss. The stars aligned for him like no other, and he couldn't do it. You could see it on the sideline, too. Completely shrunk when the game didn't go his way. No mental toughness. What can you say other than he's a playoff choker.

[duncan_idaho]

Yes, if the Ravens couldn’t do it this year, when will they?

QB not yet making the fat part of its deal.

Multiple mercenary vets having strong years.

Team stayed healthy, save for Andrews, and they found a rookie deal star replacement in his absence.

Multiple young players on rookie deals ascending to all-pro performance levels.

That roster plan came together perfectly.

They ended up with homefield advantage against a playoff field that ended up being a lot weaker than expected.

Now, next year they have a few key FAs from the defense that will be expecting big deals. Their star DC is almost certainly getting a HC job, and his best replacement option is taking the same job with the other Harbaugh.

Oh, and their QB has shown that even with a complete and stacked team around him, it isn’t enough (while also continuing to shows signs of physical decline)

It is highly unlikely their path is this “easy” again next year. That’s a problem.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Yes, if the Ravens couldn’t do it this year, when will they?

QB not yet making the fat part of its deal.

Multiple mercenary vets having strong years.

Team stayed healthy, save for Andrews, and they found a rookie deal star replacement in his absence.

Multiple young players on rookie deals ascending to all-pro performance levels.

That roster plan came together perfectly.

They ended up with homefield advantage against a playoff field that ended up being a lot weaker than expected.

Now, next year they have a few key FAs from the defense that will be expecting big deals. Their star DC is almost certainly getting a HC job, and his best replacement option is taking the same job with the other Harbaugh.

Oh, and their QB has shown that even with a complete and stacked team around him, it isn’t enough (while also continuing to shows signs of physical decline)

It is highly unlikely their path is this “easy” again next year. That’s a problem.

I could replace “Ravens” with “Eagles”, change a couple names, and change the year. This could easily describe last year’s Eagles too.

Expect a similar decline.

Mahomes and the Chiefs have ruined “dream seasons” for very good franchises.

I can’t imagine how low they feel. Even our 2018 team had a shit defense. We a young cheap Mahomes, we had every reason to be positive after that.

[O.city]

When the opposing defenses best course of action and what they wanna do is "rush smart and keep him in the pocket to make him beat us throwing the ball"....you've got a real problem.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Yes, if the Ravens couldn’t do it this year, when will they?

QB not yet making the fat part of its deal.

Multiple mercenary vets having strong years.

Team stayed healthy, save for Andrews, and they found a rookie deal star replacement in his absence.

Multiple young players on rookie deals ascending to all-pro performance levels.

That roster plan came together perfectly.

They ended up with homefield advantage against a playoff field that ended up being a lot weaker than expected.

Now, next year they have a few key FAs from the defense that will be expecting big deals. Their star DC is almost certainly getting a HC job, and his best replacement option is taking the same job with the other Harbaugh.

Oh, and their QB has shown that even with a complete and stacked team around him, it isn’t enough (while also continuing to shows signs of physical decline)

It is highly unlikely their path is this “easy” again next year. That’s a problem.

Yeah - this is the best Jackson will ever be.

It may not be the best roster he ever has - Baltimore still has a path to improving at a few key areas next season, but they have a couple ugly deals they'll have to deal with that we don't.

They're stuck with $40 million in Marlon Humphrey and Marcus Williams next season. And OBJ's pro-rated bonus from this year is on their books next year becuase of his voided deal. Lamar's deal is already 1/2 bonus next saeson so there's not a lot of money to move out of it. Likewise with Stanley.

We could get Sneed tagged and probably still have around $30 million of cap to play with after draft picks without much damage to the roster. The Ravens can maybe get to $20 million WITHOUT retaining anybody on their roster. If they bring back Queen and/or Madubuike, they're pretty much stuck with a 'run it back' season. In so doing, they'd lose both of their starting guards in the process.

And again, Lamar's peaked. Burrow is back next season. The Chiefs are likely to improve and the AFC North is going to be the same bloodbath it always is. They also have a 1st place schedule next year.

This was their best shot so now they'll have to hope to steal one going forward. It closes the door on any 'historical greatness' that Jackson could've achieved, IMO. Because now they may steal one before he's washed, but they ain't stealing two and they won't remain prohibitive favorites going forward.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by O.city

When the opposing defenses best course of action and what they wanna do is "rush smart and keep him in the pocket to make him beat us throwing the ball"....you've got a real problem.

That's the ugly reality of the situation. There's no avoiding it...

[dirk digler]

I heard all this season how dumb teams were for not trying to sign LJ this past off season and maybe some were. But this game kind of shows why they didn't.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

I think Burrow's overrated. His numbers in the playoffs are weaker than Alex Smith's, he lives on 50/50 balls to great WRs, and we just saw an undrafted QB outperform him in his absense.

I don't think he should be above Stafford, Herbert, or Lamar, or even the Goff/Cousins tier.

Then you don't know ball.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I heard all this season how dumb teams were for not trying to sign LJ this past off season and maybe some were. But this game kind of shows why they didn't.

Every season Baltimore's FO is running the Kobayashi Maru again.

You have the courage to do what needs to be done and walk away from Jackson, probably resulting in your getting fired

Or you just watch your team fail again and again, every year, due to his being good but not good enough.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah - this is the best Jackson will ever be.

It may not be the best roster he ever has - Baltimore still has a path to improving at a few key areas next season, but they have a couple ugly deals they'll have to deal with that we don't.

They're stuck with $40 million in Marlon Humphrey and Marcus Williams next season. And OBJ's pro-rated bonus from this year is on their books next year becuase of his voided deal. Lamar's deal is already 1/2 bonus next saeson so there's not a lot of money to move out of it. Likewise with Stanley.

We could get Sneed tagged and probably still have around $30 million of cap to play with after draft picks without much damage to the roster. The Ravens can maybe get to $20 million WITHOUT retaining anybody on their roster. If they bring back Queen and/or Madubuike, they're pretty much stuck with a 'run it back' season. In so doing, they'd lose both of their starting guards in the process.

And again, Lamar's peaked. Burrow is back next season. The Chiefs are likely to improve and the AFC North is going to be the same bloodbath it always is. They also have a 1st place schedule next year.

This was their best shot so now they'll have to hope to steal one going forward. It closes the door on any 'historical greatness' that Jackson could've achieved, IMO. Because now they may steal one before he's washed, but they ain't stealing two and they won't remain prohibitive favorites going forward.

Yup. It’s tough for them.

But they’re in better shape than a lot of the other AFC contenders (Dolphins, Bills, Chargers). But it’s not shape that lets you make big moves to improve the roster.