Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs - Page 53

**Rain Man** · 11:30 AM

The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.

Original post: You can ignore this now.

Spoiler!

Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.

The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.

Here's how the game will work.

Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)

Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.

Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".

Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.

Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.

Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs

If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.

There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.

I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.

So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.

Teams As Of Post #113:

Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259)

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.)

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.)

**Rain Man** · 04-25-2019, 04:25 PM

Okay, here's where I see the draft order for our game.

#1-29 - if you refuse the Frank Clark trade.
#2-61 - yours
#2-63 - if Marcus Peters was not on your roster last year, you get this.
#3-84 - if you accept the Frank Clark trade
#3-92 - if you refuse the Frank Clark trade
#4-131 - if Reggie Ragland was not on your roster last year, you get this.
#5-167 - yours
#6-201 - yours
#6-214 - yours
#7-216 - yours if you had Rod Streater on your final roster at any point and not now
#7-243 - yours if you don't have the #7-216 pick above

(I'm not too worried about the details on the Streater pick since he was briefly on the team two years ago. Do what you think is right, and if you started playing less than two years ago, just take the higher pick.)

On another note, as we play longer and our rosters diverge from the Chiefs', it's harder to accept reject trades in a wheelin' dealin' NFL world. So for example, if you don't have the 2020 second rounder of the Chiefs that's in the Frank Clark trade, you can't technically make the Frank Clark trade according to our current rules. I would propose that if the Chiefs make a trade like that that involves draft picks that you don't possess, you can still make the trade if you give up an equal or greater number of draft points that the Chiefs did. So if, for example, you lack the 2020 second-round pick, you can give up your 3rd and 4th or whatever else adds up to the same draft value. Does that sound reasonable?

**Rain Man** · 04-25-2019, 04:35 PM

Here are my picks. At the moment, I'm refusing the Frank Clark trade. I like the guy and he's probably worth it, but I prefer to forge my own team at that price. I might change my mind after the NFL draft as I consider my options.

#1-29 - yep. I'm refusing the Clark trade.
#2-61 - yep.
#2-63 - nope. I declined the Marcus Peters trade (and I drafted him).
#3-84 - nope. I'm refusing the Clark trade.
#3-92 - yep. I'm refusing the Clark trade.
#4-131 - nope. I accepted the Reggie Ragland trade last year.
#5-167 - yep.
#6-201 - yep.
#6-214 - yep.
#7-216 - yep. I kept Rod Streater for two glorious seasons.
#7-243 - nope. I had Rod and let's just say that I traded him.

kccrow · 04-25-2019, 07:06 PM

Other Non-Draft
- must have had FS Eric Murray to trade for DE Emmanuel Ogbah (post-season trade)
- must have had OG Parker Ehinger to trade for CB Charvarius Ward (in-season trade)

**Rain Man** · 04-25-2019, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow

Other Non-Draft
- must have had FS Eric Murray to trade for DE Emmanuel Ogbah (post-season trade)
- must have had OG Parker Ehinger to trade for CB Charvarius Ward (in-season trade)

Good point.

**Rain Man** · 04-25-2019, 08:45 PM

And while there'll be camp fodder added, these are the current free agent signings that can be added to your training camp roster.

Joey Ivie, NT
Henry Mondeaux, DT
Cavon Walker, DT
David Wells, TE
Pace Murphy, T
Justin Senior, T
Deon Yelder, TE
Harold Jones-Quartey, DB
Keith Reaser, DB
Austin Reiter, OL
Aaron Ripkowski, RB
Blake Bell, TE
Sammie Coates, WR
Martrell Spaight, ILB
Damien Wilson, LB
Jeremiah Attaochu, LB
Bashaud Breeland, CB
Carlos Hyde, RB
Dontae Johnson, DB
E.J. Manuel, QB
Tyrann Mathieu, S
Alex Okafor, DE
Davon Grayson, WR

**Rain Man** · 04-26-2019, 08:46 PM

Updated for the draft day trade:

#1-29 - if you refuse the Frank Clark trade.
#2-56 - if you accept the draft day trade up
#2-61 - if you do NOT accept the draft day trade up
#2-63 - if Marcus Peters was not on your roster last year, you get this.
#3-84 - if you accept the Frank Clark trade
#3-92 - if you refuse the Frank Clark trade
#4-131 - if Reggie Ragland was not on your roster last year, you get this.
#5-167 - if you do NOT accept the draft day trade up
#6-201 - yours
#6-214 - yours
#7-216 - yours if you had Rod Streater on your final roster at any point and not now
#7-243 - yours if you don't have the #7-216 pick above

kccrow · 04-28-2019, 12:11 AM

2019 Superior Yetis Alternate Reality Offseason

Free Agent Losses

RB Spencer Ware, WR Chris Conley, TE Demetrius Harris, OG Ike Boettger, OC Mitch Morse, DE Allen Bailey, CB Steven Nelson, DB Ron Parker

Trade Notes

I agreed to trade Marcus Peters in 2018 for a 2019 2nd round selection
I agreed to trade a 2019 4th round pick in 2017 for Reggie Ragland.
I did not have Rod Streeter, so I retain pick 243.
I am accepting the Chiefs' trade of Dee Ford to the San Francisco 49ers for a 2020 2nd round selection.
I am not accepting the trade for Frank Clark
I am not accepting the draft-day trade up.

2019 Draft

Round 1, Selection 29 | Byron Murphy, CB, Washington (#2-33 ARZ)

My roster desperately needs an infusion of talent at the CB position so it really comes down to getting a top-tier player here for me. I really wanted to move up for Sweat at DE, but I just couldn't do it with my other needs. Murphy should at least lock down my #2 CB spot for the forseeable future.

Round 2, Selection 48 (f/MIA) | Erik McCoy, OC, Texas A&M (#2-48 NO)

I am trading up to get a starting center here, sending #2-61 and #2-63 to the Miami Dolphins for #2-48 and #4-116 (This is the same output they gave New Orleans on draft day). Losing Morse this offseason really hurts and Bozeman hasn't earned a starting gig in Baltimore for me so I have to go up and get a guy I think is going to be a stud at the position for years to come in McCoy. It pains me deeply to not take Thornhill, but I took Jessie Bates last year at the same position.
Pick Valuation: KC: 292 + 276 = 568 * 85% = 482.8 MIA: 420 + 62 = 482

Roune 3, Selection 92 | Oshane Ximines, ER, Old Dominion (#3-95 NYG)

I decided that I'm going to accept the Chiefs' trade of Dee Ford and that leaves a hole in my depth at edge rusher. At this point I'm intent on maintaining the 3-4 defense I have in place so Ximines fits really well as an OLB. He brings a solid repetoire of rush moves to the table and maintains gap discipline as a run defender. He should have every opportunity to become a significant contributor early.

Round 4, Selection 116 (f/MIA) | Amani Hooker, DB, Iowa (#4-116 TEN)

I'm looking at the long-term here by selecting Hooker, much like the Titans selecting him as a likely future heir to Kenny Vaccarro. Mathieu is in on a 3-year deal and we'll see if he plays that out. Hooker is a prototypical box safety but he does have some abilities in coverage. He's at least great special teams depth. I could have reached out and tried to take another CB here or some defensive line help but decided I liked this value more.

Round 5, Selection 167 | Cole Holcomb, LB, North Carolina (#5-173 WAS)

I'm throwing darts out there every year trying to help my dismal linebacking corps and this selection is really no different. I like Holcomb's overall skill set and he'll be given an opportunity to become a starter in Washington given the Reuben Foster situation and little else at the position after Mason Foster who is already 30.

Round 6, Selection 201 | Derwin Gray, OT, Maryland (#7-219 PIT)

I really like Gray and think he has a shot to stick on Pittsburgh's roster. He's the only offensive lineman they selected this year and they could really use depth and a future replacement at LG for 33-year old Ramon Foster, which is what I see Gray becoming. He's a big, strong dude just like Foster and should be able to sit and develop for a couple of seasons. I don't have an immediate need at guard either, so if he sits and stews and turns out then that's great.

Round 6, Selection 214 (Comp) | Alize Mack, TE, Notre Dame (#7-231 NO)

The back end of this draft is like throwing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks, but Mack has a solid opportunity in New Orleans where they signed an aging Jared Cook (32) and have nobody else behind him that can't be unseated.

Round 7, Selection 243 | Olabisi Johnson, WR, Colorado State (#7-247 MIN)
I like Johnson as a player and I think he's going to end up sticking somewhere as a slot/#3 type that can make a living underneath due to his solid frame and change of direction ability. There certainly are opportunities in Minnesota after their top 2 receivers.

Draft Notes

I'm disappointed I wasn't able to really address defensive line like I needed to. I very nearly accepted the trade up for Khalen Saunders because I do really like him, and I may end up kicking myself on that one. I just question his opportunity to be an every-down player in KC and that's kind of what I'm after at this point. Realistically, I'm probably a starter short there but I can't do much about it. There just wasn't realistic value there throughout the draft over and above what I took for players and I'm not about to drastically reach for a lesser football player. This is also one of the reasons I made the decision to part ways with Dee Ford for a 2nd round pick like KC actually did. I believe I'll need to spend early picks next year to get a couple of defensive lineman.

I also don't particularly care for my linebacker situation. I've thrown a lot of mid-round picks at the position and nothing seems to stick. I took another poke this year with Holcomb, so we'll see. I'm guessing I'll really need to hit one early next season.

Preseason Roster To Date

Spoiler!

**Rain Man** · 04-29-2019, 11:29 PM

Okay, let's start out with picks.

I didn't accept the Marcus Peters trade.
It turns out that I kept Rod Streater, so I don't get the 7th round swap up.
I reject the Frank Clark trade.
I reject the draft day trade up.
I traded for Reggie Ragland.

I'm making my own draft day trade down.

The #1-29 pick is worth 640 points, and with the 35 percent trade-down discount, that means I can trade it for 416 points. I found a trade partner in the Dallas Cowboys, who are giving me in return...

#2-58 pick for 320 points
#4-128 pick for 44 points
#4-136 pick for 37.5 points

This totals 401.5 points, so Dallas is happy, and I get three picks.

Combining all of these things, that means I end up with the following picks:

Round Pick
2 58
2 61
3 92
4 128
4 136
5 167
6 201
6 214
7 243

**Rain Man** · 04-29-2019, 11:58 PM

And here come my picks:

#2-58 - WR Andy Isabella (Cardinals) - I desperately need receivers. I was torn between Isabella and Metcalf, but I like Isabella's speed. I also considered not trading down and taking one of the top cornerbacks of Byron Murphy, Greedy Williams, or Deandre Baker. But I don't need cornerbacks. I would have been interested in Mecole Hardman, but didn't want to trade up to get him.

#2-61 - OLB Jaylon Ferguson (Ravens). I've been enamored with Ferguson, and my team is abysmal at rushing the passer. I also strongly considered Zach Allen, who would probably be a safer pick, but I like Ferguson as a rusher. I idly considered OLB Germaine Pratt and DE Chase Winovich, but liked Ferguson's upside more. I also considered taking Metcalf here and loading up at WR, but couldn't afford that luxury given my pass rush woes.

#3-92 - DE Anthony Nelson (Buccaneers). This was a hard pick. I considered G Dru Samia hard, with the goal of taking Joe Jackson later to fill my DE spot, but this way I can get Michael Jordan in that other spot. I hope that the Nelson/Jordan combo ends up better than the Samia/Jackson combo. I also considered T Bobby Evans, but need tackle less than other positions.

#4-128 - QB Easton Stick (Chargers). I need a backup quarterback, and Stick seems a good value in that regard. He's a stopgap who would only see action if Russell Wilson on my team goes down, but I think he's got development potential. I strongly considered Jarrett Stidham and Gardner Minshew, both of whom are probably safer picks, but I like Stick. I strongly considered Joe Jackson at DE in this spot, who I like a lot, and pondered Mack Wilson. I'd like Wilson, but need to fill other holes.

#4-136 - G Michael Jordan (Bengals). I've had trouble staffing my guard spots, and figure he's got a decent shot of grabbing a starting job. As noted above, my key question was whether to take Jordan here or take Samia earlier. I thought Jordan seemed like a better risk/reward prospect.

#5-167 - OLB Sutton Smith (Steelers). I've been intrigued by Smith and was heavily targeting him. I didn't really consider anyone else in this slot, though I liked LB David Long as well.

#6-201 - WR Kelvin Harmon (Redskins). I need WR depth, and he seemed like a great value here. I didn't really consider anyone else in this slot.

#6-214 - TE Isaac Nauta (Lions). I need TE depth, and he seemed like a good value. I was very torn between him and CB Kris Boyd, but eventually figured I had a better roster spot available for Nauta. I also briefly considered DE Jalen Jelks.

#7-243 - TE Caleb Wilson (Cardinals). I strongly considered DE Michael Dogbe and perhaps DE Jordan Brailford, but figured I'd stock up on my TE position.

**Rain Man** · 04-30-2019, 12:28 AM

Here's my current training camp roster.

Spoiler!

**Rain Man** · 05-01-2019, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow

2019 Superior Yetis Alternate Reality Offseason

2019 Draft

Round 1, Selection 29 | Byron Murphy, CB, Washington (#2-33 ARZ)

My roster desperately needs an infusion of talent at the CB position so it really comes down to getting a top-tier player here for me. I really wanted to move up for Sweat at DE, but I just couldn't do it with my other needs. Murphy should at least lock down my #2 CB spot for the forseeable future.

I don't need a cornerback at all, and had other holes in my roster, but I was sorely tempted to not trade down and take Murphy. I hate passing on a top prospect at his position.

kccrow · 05-01-2019, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I don't need a cornerback at all, and had other holes in my roster, but I was sorely tempted to not trade down and take Murphy. I hate passing on a top prospect at his position.

Yeah, unfortunately, I'm kinda stuck with KC's decision making at the position for the most part so I've made it a point to address it the past 2 drafts. I had 3 guys on my mind and 2 required a trade up (Sweat and Tillery). That said, I see Murphy as a carbon copy of Asante Samuel and if he is then he's going to be a top-flight CB for years to come. If Tarvarius Moore turns out in San Francisco, and he did flash later in the year, then I got something going. Holton Hill is going to be a player in Minnesota for sure. He saw the field alot last year. So, that said I think I'm alot happier there now than I was.

I have a couple of solid receivers in Boyd and Higgins, but getting a sure thing aside from Watkins would have been nice, so going up for A.J. Brown was on the table. I felt going up and getting a top center was more important in the 2nd round. Had Connor McGovern slid a bit further in the 3rd to take at 92, I would have taken Brown instead. All said, I think I'm going to be very happy with McCoy.

My D-line is hope and prayer. I know Phillips will start in Buffalo. Sieler is penciled in to start in Baltimore but no guarantees. I have to hope that Williams and Watkins at least contribute heavily. Not addressing it could be stupid on my part.

Ximines is my one big worry at this point. I like his production and his play style. He doesn't have the juice I'd like but he has really good functional strength and a good get-off. I took the same chance on Matt Judon though, taking game strength and on-field over running in shorts, and he's turned out to be a solid get and actually enabled me to consider trading Dee Ford.

You surprised me with the trade down for Isabella. I think he's going to be a really good player. You get some good depth in the 4th with the move too so that definitely made for a good draft for you.

**Rain Man** · 05-01-2019, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow

Ximines is my one big worry at this point. I like his production and his play style. He doesn't have the juice I'd like but he has really good functional strength and a good get-off. I took the same chance on Matt Judon though, taking game strength and on-field over running in shorts, and he's turned out to be a solid get and actually enabled me to consider trading Dee Ford.

I took a long look at him, pondering taking him if I took Zach Allen in the second instead of Jaylon Ferguson. I tend to like higher risk/higher reward players for some reason, though, and I liked Ferguson, which meant that I didn't really have a spot for Ximines. I needed both a DE and and OLB.

I was also really interested in Sutton Smith, so he was my luxury pick, and I've had a devil of a time getting OLBs, so I'm trying to give myself more chances to win one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow

You surprised me with the trade down for Isabella. I think he's going to be a really good player. You get some good depth in the 4th with the move too so that definitely made for a good draft for you.

Time will tell if I should've taken Metcalf or Isabella. Metcalf was probably the safer pick, and I suspect he'll thrive with Russell Wilson throwing to him, just like Hardman will thrive with Mahomes throwing to him. Isabella's a bigger risk in that regard, but I have a weakness for shifty speed.

**wazu** · 06-23-2019, 11:15 AM

Trying to catch up on all of this so spent a couple of hours this morning going through it all. Think I figured out draft situation correctly. I didn't peruse anybody else's draft here before landing but do see now that I'm not the only one who picked Ximines.

2019 Draft Picks:

1-29 DE L.J. Collier (Seahawks)
2-61 S Taylor Rapp (Rams)
3-92 DE Oshane Ximines (Giants)
5-167 OT David Edwards (Rams)
6-201 OT Isaiah Prince (Dolphins)
6-214 CB Kris Boyd (Vikings)
7-243 WR Olabisi Johnson (Saints)

Updated Roster

QB
Patrick Mahomes
Paxton Lynch (Seahawks)
Chad Henne

RB
Kenneth Dixon (Ravens)
Anthony Sherman
Damien Williams
Carlos Hyde
Aaron Ripkowski

WR
Sammy Watkins
Tavon Austin (Cowboys)
Rishard Matthews (Saints)
Mike Thomas (Rams)
Michael Gallup (Cowboys)
Cedrick Wilson (Cowboys)
Gehrig Dieter
Marcus Kemp
Byron Pringle
Sammie Coates
Davon Grayson
Olabisi Johnson (Saints)

TE
Travis Kelce
Maxx Williams (Cardinals)
David Wells
Deon Yelder
Blake Bell

OT
T.J. Clemmings (Bears)
La’el Collins (Cowboys)
Jamarco Jones (Seahawks)
Pace Murphy
Justin Senior
OT David Edwards (Rams)
6-201 OT Isaiah Prince (Dolphins)

G
Andrew Wylie
David DeCastro (Steelers)
Laurent Duvernay-Tardiff
Max Garcia (Cardinals)

C
Austin Reiter
Will Clapp (Saints)

K
Harrison Butker

P
Dustin Colquitt

S
George Iloka (Cowboys)
Tyrann Mathieu
Dontae Johnson
Keith Reaser
Taylor Rapp (Rams)

CB
Kendall Fuller
P.J. Williams (Saints)
Jordan Poyer (Bills)
Kalen Reed (Seahawks)
Donte Jackson (Panthers)
Bashaud Breeland
Harold Jones-Quartey
Kris Boyd (Vikings)

OLB
Shane Ray (Ravens)
Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (Rams)
Justin Lawler (Rams)
Damien Wilson
Jeremiah Attaochu
Darron Lee

ILB
Anthony Hitchens
Reggie Ragland
Vontaze Burflict (Raiders)
Martrell Spaight

DE
Tanoh Kpassagnon
Alex Okafor
Joe Ostman (Eagles)
L.J. Collier (Seahawks)
Oshane Ximines (Giants)

DT
Xavier Williams
Henry Mondeaux
Cavon Walker

kccrow · 06-25-2019, 11:50 AM

We can trade a 2020 6th for LB Darron Lee if we so choose, just food for thought for everyone.

I'm in on that one.

03-22-2009, 12:15 AM
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $1318491 VARSITY	Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years. 1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster. 2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add. 3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing. 4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster. 5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have. 6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post. 6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. 7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players. Original post: You can ignore this now. Spoiler! Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon. The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting. Here's how the game will work. Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.) Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly. Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub". Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285. Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues. Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player. There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap. I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting. So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team. Teams As Of Post #113: Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox) Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333) Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman) Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon) Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover) Duluth Normans (Rain Man) El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz) Fargo Rape (SNR) Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good) Fresno Refugees (Adam) Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter) Hartford Manticores (Crush) Honolulu Craters (Sully) Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu) Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser) Little Rock Reapers (doomy3) Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan) Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis) Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut) Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka) Omaha Streakers (speak24) Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry) Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72) San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog) Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg) Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23) Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts) Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1) Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie) Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk) Worcester Sauce (unothadeal) Added Rules and Reminders: 1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted. 2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in. 3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent. For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259) For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.) You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.) Last edited by Rain Man; 04-25-2024 at 11:30 AM..*
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04-25-2019, 04:25 PM	#781
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $1318491 VARSITY	Okay, here's where I see the draft order for our game. #1-29 - if you refuse the Frank Clark trade. #2-61 - yours #2-63 - if Marcus Peters was not on your roster last year, you get this. #3-84 - if you accept the Frank Clark trade #3-92 - if you refuse the Frank Clark trade #4-131 - if Reggie Ragland was not on your roster last year, you get this. #5-167 - yours #6-201 - yours #6-214 - yours #7-216 - yours if you had Rod Streater on your final roster at any point and not now #7-243 - yours if you don't have the #7-216 pick above (I'm not too worried about the details on the Streater pick since he was briefly on the team two years ago. Do what you think is right, and if you started playing less than two years ago, just take the higher pick.) On another note, as we play longer and our rosters diverge from the Chiefs', it's harder to accept reject trades in a wheelin' dealin' NFL world. So for example, if you don't have the 2020 second rounder of the Chiefs that's in the Frank Clark trade, you can't technically make the Frank Clark trade according to our current rules. I would propose that if the Chiefs make a trade like that that involves draft picks that you don't possess, you can still make the trade if you give up an equal or greater number of draft points that the Chiefs did. So if, for example, you lack the 2020 second-round pick, you can give up your 3rd and 4th or whatever else adds up to the same draft value. Does that sound reasonable? __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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04-25-2019, 04:35 PM	#782
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $1318491 VARSITY	Here are my picks. At the moment, I'm refusing the Frank Clark trade. I like the guy and he's probably worth it, but I prefer to forge my own team at that price. I might change my mind after the NFL draft as I consider my options. #1-29 - yep. I'm refusing the Clark trade. #2-61 - yep. #2-63 - nope. I declined the Marcus Peters trade (and I drafted him). #3-84 - nope. I'm refusing the Clark trade. #3-92 - yep. I'm refusing the Clark trade. #4-131 - nope. I accepted the Reggie Ragland trade last year. #5-167 - yep. #6-201 - yep. #6-214 - yep. #7-216 - yep. I kept Rod Streater for two glorious seasons. #7-243 - nope. I had Rod and let's just say that I traded him. __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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04-25-2019, 07:06 PM	#783
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $196403	Other Non-Draft - must have had FS Eric Murray to trade for DE Emmanuel Ogbah (post-season trade) - must have had OG Parker Ehinger to trade for CB Charvarius Ward (in-season trade)
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04-25-2019, 08:45 PM	#785
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $1318491 VARSITY	And while there'll be camp fodder added, these are the current free agent signings that can be added to your training camp roster. Joey Ivie, NT Henry Mondeaux, DT Cavon Walker, DT David Wells, TE Pace Murphy, T Justin Senior, T Deon Yelder, TE Harold Jones-Quartey, DB Keith Reaser, DB Austin Reiter, OL Aaron Ripkowski, RB Blake Bell, TE Sammie Coates, WR Martrell Spaight, ILB Damien Wilson, LB Jeremiah Attaochu, LB Bashaud Breeland, CB Carlos Hyde, RB Dontae Johnson, DB E.J. Manuel, QB Tyrann Mathieu, S Alex Okafor, DE Davon Grayson, WR __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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04-26-2019, 08:46 PM	#786
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $1318491 VARSITY	Updated for the draft day trade: #1-29 - if you refuse the Frank Clark trade. #2-56 - if you accept the draft day trade up #2-61 - if you do NOT accept the draft day trade up #2-63 - if Marcus Peters was not on your roster last year, you get this. #3-84 - if you accept the Frank Clark trade #3-92 - if you refuse the Frank Clark trade #4-131 - if Reggie Ragland was not on your roster last year, you get this. #5-167 - if you do NOT accept the draft day trade up #6-201 - yours #6-214 - yours #7-216 - yours if you had Rod Streater on your final roster at any point and not now #7-243 - yours if you don't have the #7-216 pick above __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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04-28-2019, 12:11 AM	#787
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $196403	Superior Yetis Offseason 2019 Superior Yetis Alternate Reality Offseason Free Agent Losses RB Spencer Ware, WR Chris Conley, TE Demetrius Harris, OG Ike Boettger, OC Mitch Morse, DE Allen Bailey, CB Steven Nelson, DB Ron Parker Trade Notes I agreed to trade Marcus Peters in 2018 for a 2019 2nd round selection I agreed to trade a 2019 4th round pick in 2017 for Reggie Ragland. I did not have Rod Streeter, so I retain pick 243. I am accepting the Chiefs' trade of Dee Ford to the San Francisco 49ers for a 2020 2nd round selection. I am not accepting the trade for Frank Clark I am not accepting the draft-day trade up. 2019 Draft Round 1, Selection 29 \| Byron Murphy, CB, Washington (#2-33 ARZ) My roster desperately needs an infusion of talent at the CB position so it really comes down to getting a top-tier player here for me. I really wanted to move up for Sweat at DE, but I just couldn't do it with my other needs. Murphy should at least lock down my #2 CB spot for the forseeable future. Round 2, Selection 48 (f/MIA) \| Erik McCoy, OC, Texas A&M (#2-48 NO) I am trading up to get a starting center here, sending #2-61 and #2-63 to the Miami Dolphins for #2-48 and #4-116 (This is the same output they gave New Orleans on draft day). Losing Morse this offseason really hurts and Bozeman hasn't earned a starting gig in Baltimore for me so I have to go up and get a guy I think is going to be a stud at the position for years to come in McCoy. It pains me deeply to not take Thornhill, but I took Jessie Bates last year at the same position. Pick Valuation: KC: 292 + 276 = 568 * 85% = 482.8 MIA: 420 + 62 = 482 Roune 3, Selection 92 \| Oshane Ximines, ER, Old Dominion (#3-95 NYG) I decided that I'm going to accept the Chiefs' trade of Dee Ford and that leaves a hole in my depth at edge rusher. At this point I'm intent on maintaining the 3-4 defense I have in place so Ximines fits really well as an OLB. He brings a solid repetoire of rush moves to the table and maintains gap discipline as a run defender. He should have every opportunity to become a significant contributor early. Round 4, Selection 116 (f/MIA) \| Amani Hooker, DB, Iowa (#4-116 TEN) I'm looking at the long-term here by selecting Hooker, much like the Titans selecting him as a likely future heir to Kenny Vaccarro. Mathieu is in on a 3-year deal and we'll see if he plays that out. Hooker is a prototypical box safety but he does have some abilities in coverage. He's at least great special teams depth. I could have reached out and tried to take another CB here or some defensive line help but decided I liked this value more. Round 5, Selection 167 \| Cole Holcomb, LB, North Carolina (#5-173 WAS) I'm throwing darts out there every year trying to help my dismal linebacking corps and this selection is really no different. I like Holcomb's overall skill set and he'll be given an opportunity to become a starter in Washington given the Reuben Foster situation and little else at the position after Mason Foster who is already 30. Round 6, Selection 201 \| Derwin Gray, OT, Maryland (#7-219 PIT) I really like Gray and think he has a shot to stick on Pittsburgh's roster. He's the only offensive lineman they selected this year and they could really use depth and a future replacement at LG for 33-year old Ramon Foster, which is what I see Gray becoming. He's a big, strong dude just like Foster and should be able to sit and develop for a couple of seasons. I don't have an immediate need at guard either, so if he sits and stews and turns out then that's great. Round 6, Selection 214 (Comp) \| Alize Mack, TE, Notre Dame (#7-231 NO) The back end of this draft is like throwing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks, but Mack has a solid opportunity in New Orleans where they signed an aging Jared Cook (32) and have nobody else behind him that can't be unseated. Round 7, Selection 243 \| Olabisi Johnson, WR, Colorado State (#7-247 MIN) I like Johnson as a player and I think he's going to end up sticking somewhere as a slot/#3 type that can make a living underneath due to his solid frame and change of direction ability. There certainly are opportunities in Minnesota after their top 2 receivers. Draft Notes I'm disappointed I wasn't able to really address defensive line like I needed to. I very nearly accepted the trade up for Khalen Saunders because I do really like him, and I may end up kicking myself on that one. I just question his opportunity to be an every-down player in KC and that's kind of what I'm after at this point. Realistically, I'm probably a starter short there but I can't do much about it. There just wasn't realistic value there throughout the draft over and above what I took for players and I'm not about to drastically reach for a lesser football player. This is also one of the reasons I made the decision to part ways with Dee Ford for a 2nd round pick like KC actually did. I believe I'll need to spend early picks next year to get a couple of defensive lineman. I also don't particularly care for my linebacker situation. I've thrown a lot of mid-round picks at the position and nothing seems to stick. I took another poke this year with Holcomb, so we'll see. I'm guessing I'll really need to hit one early next season. Preseason Roster To Date Spoiler! Offense QB Patrick Mahomes II (#1-10/17, KC) QB Chad Henne (FA/18, KC) QB E.J. Manuel (FA/19, KC) QB T.J. Linta (UDFA/19, KC) QB Kyle Shurmur (UDFA/19, KC) RB Christopher Carson (#7-245/17, SEA) RB Aaron Jones (#5-180/17, GB) RB Darrel Williams (UDFA/18, KC) RB Carlos Hyde (FA/19, KC) RB James Williams (UDFA/19, KC) RB Marcus Marshall (UDFA/19, KC) FB Anthony Sherman WR Sammy Watkins (FA/18, KC) WR Tyler Boyd (#2-37/16, CIN) WR Stacy Coley (#6-218/17, NYJ) WR Rashard Higgins (#5-162/16, CLE) WR Olabisi Johnson (#7-243/19, MIN) WR Marcus Kemp (FA/18, KC) WR Sammie Coates (FA/19, KC) WR Davon Grayson (FA/19, KC) WR Cody Thompson (UDFA/19, KC) WR Jamal Custis (UDFA/19, KC) WR Felton Davis (UDFA/19, KC) WR Rashard Davis (UDFA/19, KC) TE Travis Kelce TE Alize Mack (#6-214/19, NO) TE Blake Bell (FA/19, KC) TE Deon Yelder (FA/19, KC) TE David Wells (FA/19, KC) TE John Lovett (UDFA/19, KC) OT Eric Fisher OT Mitchell Schwartz OT Andrew Wylie (FA/18, KC) OT Pace Murphy (FA/19, KC) OT Justin Senior (FA/19, KC) OG Laurent Duvernay-Tardif OG Connor McGovern (#4-126/16, DEN) OG Cole Madison (#4-122/18, GB) OL Derwin Gray (#6-201/19, PIT) OC Erik McCoy (#2-48/19, NO) OC Bradley Bozeman (#6-198/18, BAL) OC Austin Reiter (FA/18, KC) Defense DL Xavier Williams (FA/18, KC) DL Carlos Watkins (#4-132/17, HOU) DL Harrison Phillips (#3-95/18, BUF) DL Zach Sieler (#7-219/18, BAL) DL Justin Hamilton (FA/18, KC) DL Joey Ivie (FA/19, KC) DL Cavon Walker (FA/19, KC) ER Justin Houston (IND) ER Matt Judon (#4-129/16, BAL) ER Oshane Ximines (#3-92/19, NYG) ER Tanoh Kpassagnon (#2-59/17, KC) ER Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (#5-159/18, LAR) ER Alex Okafor (FA/19, KC) ER Tim Ward (UDFA/19, KC) LB Anthony Hitchens (FA/18, KC) LB Reggie Ragland (f/BUF 2019 4th) LB Cole Holcomb (#5-167/19, WAS) LB Blair Brown (#5-148/17, JAX) LB Ben Niemann (UDFA/18, KC) LB Damien Wilson (FA/19, KC) LB Jeremiah Attaochu (FA/19, KC) LB Martrell Spaight (FA/19, KC) LB Gary Johnson (UDFA/19, KC) LB Darius Harris (UDFA/19, KC) CB Kendall Fuller (T-WAS/18, KC) CB Bashaud Breeland (FA/19, KC) CB Byron Murphy (#1-29/19, ARZ) CB Tarvarius Moore (#3-86/18, SF) CB Tremon Smith (#6-196/18, KC) CB Holton Hill (#7-243/18, MIN) CB Keith Reaser (FA/19, KC) CB Dontae Johnson (FA/19, KC) CB Mark Fields (UDFA/19, KC) CB Jalin Burrell (UDFA/19, KC) CB Herb Miller III (UDFA/19, KC) DB Jessie Bates (#2-52/18, CIN) DB Tyrann Mathieu (FA/19, KC) DB Amani Hooker (#4-116/19, TEN) DB Eric Berry DB Daniel Sorensen DB Jordan Lucas (f/MIA 2020 7th, KC) DB Harold Jones-Quartey (FA/19, KC) DB Andrew Soroh (UDFA/19, KC) Special Teams K Harrison Butker (FA/17, KC) P Dustin Colquitt P Jack Fox (UDFA/19, KC) LS James Winchester Last edited by kccrow; 05-07-2019 at 09:42 PM.. 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04-29-2019, 11:29 PM	#788
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $1318491 VARSITY	Okay, let's start out with picks. I didn't accept the Marcus Peters trade. It turns out that I kept Rod Streater, so I don't get the 7th round swap up. I reject the Frank Clark trade. I reject the draft day trade up. I traded for Reggie Ragland. I'm making my own draft day trade down. The #1-29 pick is worth 640 points, and with the 35 percent trade-down discount, that means I can trade it for 416 points. I found a trade partner in the Dallas Cowboys, who are giving me in return... #2-58 pick for 320 points #4-128 pick for 44 points #4-136 pick for 37.5 points This totals 401.5 points, so Dallas is happy, and I get three picks. Combining all of these things, that means I end up with the following picks: Round Pick 2 58 2 61 3 92 4 128 4 136 5 167 6 201 6 214 7 243 __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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04-29-2019, 11:58 PM	#789
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $1318491 VARSITY	And here come my picks: #2-58 - WR Andy Isabella (Cardinals) - I desperately need receivers. I was torn between Isabella and Metcalf, but I like Isabella's speed. I also considered not trading down and taking one of the top cornerbacks of Byron Murphy, Greedy Williams, or Deandre Baker. But I don't need cornerbacks. I would have been interested in Mecole Hardman, but didn't want to trade up to get him. #2-61 - OLB Jaylon Ferguson (Ravens). I've been enamored with Ferguson, and my team is abysmal at rushing the passer. I also strongly considered Zach Allen, who would probably be a safer pick, but I like Ferguson as a rusher. I idly considered OLB Germaine Pratt and DE Chase Winovich, but liked Ferguson's upside more. I also considered taking Metcalf here and loading up at WR, but couldn't afford that luxury given my pass rush woes. #3-92 - DE Anthony Nelson (Buccaneers). This was a hard pick. I considered G Dru Samia hard, with the goal of taking Joe Jackson later to fill my DE spot, but this way I can get Michael Jordan in that other spot. I hope that the Nelson/Jordan combo ends up better than the Samia/Jackson combo. I also considered T Bobby Evans, but need tackle less than other positions. #4-128 - QB Easton Stick (Chargers). I need a backup quarterback, and Stick seems a good value in that regard. He's a stopgap who would only see action if Russell Wilson on my team goes down, but I think he's got development potential. I strongly considered Jarrett Stidham and Gardner Minshew, both of whom are probably safer picks, but I like Stick. I strongly considered Joe Jackson at DE in this spot, who I like a lot, and pondered Mack Wilson. I'd like Wilson, but need to fill other holes. #4-136 - G Michael Jordan (Bengals). I've had trouble staffing my guard spots, and figure he's got a decent shot of grabbing a starting job. As noted above, my key question was whether to take Jordan here or take Samia earlier. I thought Jordan seemed like a better risk/reward prospect. #5-167 - OLB Sutton Smith (Steelers). I've been intrigued by Smith and was heavily targeting him. I didn't really consider anyone else in this slot, though I liked LB David Long as well. #6-201 - WR Kelvin Harmon (Redskins). I need WR depth, and he seemed like a great value here. I didn't really consider anyone else in this slot. #6-214 - TE Isaac Nauta (Lions). I need TE depth, and he seemed like a good value. I was very torn between him and CB Kris Boyd, but eventually figured I had a better roster spot available for Nauta. I also briefly considered DE Jalen Jelks. #7-243 - TE Caleb Wilson (Cardinals). I strongly considered DE Michael Dogbe and perhaps DE Jordan Brailford, but figured I'd stock up on my TE position. __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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04-30-2019, 12:28 AM	#790
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $1318491 VARSITY	Here's my current training camp roster. Spoiler! QB Russell Wilson (Seahawks) Easton Stick Nathan Peterman (Bills) Chase Litton E.J. Manuel, QB RB Alvin Kamara (Saints) Damien Williams Justin Jackson (Chargers) Samaje Perine (Redskins) Rashaad Penny (Seahawks) Carlos Hyde Aaron Ripkowski, RB WR Sammy Watkins Andy Isabella Donte Moncrief (Jaguars) Kelvin Harmon Marcus Kemp James Washington (Steelers) Byron Pringle Sammie Coates, WR Davon Grayson, WR TE Travis Kelce (Chiefs) Isaac Nauta Caleb Wilson Ben Koyack (Jaguars) Blake Bell Deon Yelder, TE David Wells, TE OT Mitchell Schwartz (Browns/Chiefs) Tyrell Crosby (Lions) Morgan Moses (Redskins) Corey Robinson (Panthers) Pace Murphy, T Justin Senior, T G Michael Jordan Andrew Wylie Wyatt Teller (Bills) Christian Westerman (Bengals) C Cody Whitehair (Bears ) Austin Reiter, OL K Harrison Butker P Dustin Colquitt LS James Winchester FS Reshad Jones (Dolphins) Jordan Poyer (Bills) Miles Killebrew (Lions) Harold Jones-Quartey, DB SS Tyrann Matthieu CB Desmond King (Chargers) Kendall Fuller (Redskins) Marcus Peters (Rams) Bashaud Breeland Keith Reaser Dontae Johnson, DB OLB/Edge Jaylon Ferguson AJ Klein (Saints) Sutton Smith Jack Cichy (Buccaneers) Damien Wilson Jeremiah Attaochu MLB Zach Brown (Titans) Derrick Johnson (Chiefs) Ben Niemann Reggie Ragland (Chiefs) Anthony Hitchens Martrell Spaight, ILB DE Anthony Nelson Taco Charlton (Cowboys) Alex Okafor Dorance Armstrong Ifeadi Odenigbo (Vikings) Ade Aruna Hercules Mata'afa DT Brandon Williams (Ravens) Maurice Hurst Andrew Billings (Bengals) Xavier Williams Star Lotulelei (Bills) Michael Bennett (Jaguars) Joey Ivie, NT Henry Mondeaux, DT Cavon Walker, DT __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history. Last edited by Rain Man; 04-30-2019 at 01:12 AM..
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06-23-2019, 11:15 AM	#794
wazu ... Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $212295 VARSITY	Trying to catch up on all of this so spent a couple of hours this morning going through it all. Think I figured out draft situation correctly. I didn't peruse anybody else's draft here before landing but do see now that I'm not the only one who picked Ximines. 2019 Draft Picks: 1-29 DE L.J. Collier (Seahawks) 2-61 S Taylor Rapp (Rams) 3-92 DE Oshane Ximines (Giants) 5-167 OT David Edwards (Rams) 6-201 OT Isaiah Prince (Dolphins) 6-214 CB Kris Boyd (Vikings) 7-243 WR Olabisi Johnson (Saints) Updated Roster QB Patrick Mahomes Paxton Lynch (Seahawks) Chad Henne RB Kenneth Dixon (Ravens) Anthony Sherman Damien Williams Carlos Hyde Aaron Ripkowski WR Sammy Watkins Tavon Austin (Cowboys) Rishard Matthews (Saints) Mike Thomas (Rams) Michael Gallup (Cowboys) Cedrick Wilson (Cowboys) Gehrig Dieter Marcus Kemp Byron Pringle Sammie Coates Davon Grayson Olabisi Johnson (Saints) TE Travis Kelce Maxx Williams (Cardinals) David Wells Deon Yelder Blake Bell OT T.J. Clemmings (Bears) La’el Collins (Cowboys) Jamarco Jones (Seahawks) Pace Murphy Justin Senior OT David Edwards (Rams) 6-201 OT Isaiah Prince (Dolphins) G Andrew Wylie David DeCastro (Steelers) Laurent Duvernay-Tardiff Max Garcia (Cardinals) C Austin Reiter Will Clapp (Saints) K Harrison Butker P Dustin Colquitt S George Iloka (Cowboys) Tyrann Mathieu Dontae Johnson Keith Reaser Taylor Rapp (Rams) CB Kendall Fuller P.J. Williams (Saints) Jordan Poyer (Bills) Kalen Reed (Seahawks) Donte Jackson (Panthers) Bashaud Breeland Harold Jones-Quartey Kris Boyd (Vikings) OLB Shane Ray (Ravens) Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (Rams) Justin Lawler (Rams) Damien Wilson Jeremiah Attaochu Darron Lee ILB Anthony Hitchens Reggie Ragland Vontaze Burflict (Raiders) Martrell Spaight DE Tanoh Kpassagnon Alex Okafor Joe Ostman (Eagles) L.J. Collier (Seahawks) Oshane Ximines (Giants) DT Xavier Williams Henry Mondeaux Cavon Walker Last edited by wazu; 07-22-2019 at 08:30 PM.. Reason: Added in Darron Lee.
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06-25-2019, 11:50 AM	#795
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $196403	We can trade a 2020 6th for LB Darron Lee if we so choose, just food for thought for everyone. I'm in on that one.
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