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***Official 2024 STL Cardinals Thread ***
I'll update the rosters and opening day lineup when its officially released.

2024 Opening Day roster.
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For the new Cardinal fans that joined the Planet since last year, here are some of the historical threads going back to 2006.
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Old 10-13-2024, 09:25 PM   #781
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yeah, we could field a playoff team with our castoffs we traded for scraps.
The Cardinals got Drew Rom, Cesar Prieto and Zack Showalter for Flaherty.

Rom didn't pitch in the majors in 2024 and has an 8.02 career ERA; Prieto put up a .763 OPS at age 25 at Memphis, and Showalter had a good year, but he didn't start a game. So, low upside reliever profile.

The Tigers got a starting SS (Trey Sweeney) to replace Javier Baez and a top 100-ish prospect for Flaherty.
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The Cardinals got Drew Rom, Cesar Prieto and Zack Showalter for Flaherty.

Rom didn't pitch in the majors in 2024 and has an 8.02 career ERA; Prieto put up a .763 OPS at age 25 at Memphis, and Showalter had a good year, but he didn't start a game. So, low upside reliever profile.

The Tigers got a starting SS (Trey Sweeney) to replace Javier Baez and a top 100-ish prospect for Flaherty.
Kinda weird what happens when you boost your players trade value by putting them in positions to succeed instead of just sabotaging them and dumping them when it comes time to pay them.

Wonder of wonders that Edman has played well in LA when they haven't stuck his ass in CF and hoped for the best. Dude was a GG shortstop who would've been a MASSIVE asset at 2b and we insisted on putting him in the OF where he would've been, at best, passable.

And in the process we destroyed all the offensive momentum and progress he'd built (unsurprisingly, under Shildt).

Everything this team has done for the better part of the last decade has simply been wrong.
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Kinda weird what happens when you boost your players trade value by putting them in positions to succeed instead of just sabotaging them and dumping them when it comes time to pay them.

Wonder of wonders that Edman has played well in LA when they haven't stuck his ass in CF and hoped for the best. Dude was a GG shortstop who would've been a MASSIVE asset at 2b and we insisted on putting him in the OF where he would've been, at best, passable.

And in the process we destroyed all the offensive momentum and progress he'd built (unsurprisingly, under Shildt).

Everything this team has done for the better part of the last decade has simply been wrong.
Edman was a five-win player in 2022.

The Cards basically took pennies on the dollar for Edman when they acquired a low-ceiling pitcher like Erick Fedde for him. Fedde is a watered down version of Miles Mikolas without the groundball lean. Tommy Pham lasted only a few weeks with them.
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Edman was a five-win player in 2022.

The Cards basically took pennies on the dollar for Edman when they acquired a low-ceiling pitcher like Erick Fedde for him. Fedde is a watered down version of Miles Mikolas without the groundball lean. Tommy Pham lasted only a few weeks with them.
Which is why I haven't been as irritated as everyone else by Mozeliak's relative inactivity the last 2 seasons.

Do nothing, Mozeliak.

Shit, even the Edman trade isn't the worst thing in the world. Tommy was here for 1 more season and we were gonna stick him in CF anyway where he'd continue to be a 1-2 WAR player. We weren't going to extend him long-term and play him at 2b where he and Winn could be a dynamic middle-infield for the next half-decade and create problems at the top of the order with their speed.

No, we weren't going to get anything out of him. And at least we didn't do anything like move Walker or Burleson (who may actually be here in 2-3 seasons) for the short-term job saving fix.

Now I feel like Mozeliak has been effectively neutered from doing anything like that. He's not going to be allowed to make a short-term move. We've sufficiently protected any worthwhile organizational assets that may be here in 3-5 years when this team could potentially be decent again.

So yeah - continue signing old guys to 1 and 2 year deals. Keep getting bullet catchers who don't create any long-term liabilities or remove any possible long-term assets. Seemed like about the time we started hearing rumblings about another Carpenter style "make him comfortable" extension for Goldschmidt, we put the bite-collar on Mozeliak.

Good. It was clearly needed.

Now if we could convince the guy to move someone like Helsley, that would be ideal. The Orioles need a closer and have a loaded system. They seemingly have no use for Kjerstad. Go get something like that figured out. If you need to include Fedde because they're looking for starting pitching - okay, do that. They need a lefty reliever? Hey, JoJo Romero is going to have value. He's reasonably effective and has 2 years of team control.

Move out short-term assets and figure out a genuine plan. Anybody born prior to 1997 needs to be considered as a guy you consider moving for assets.
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Which is why I haven't been as irritated as everyone else by Mozeliak's relative inactivity the last 2 seasons.

Do nothing, Mozeliak.

Shit, even the Edman trade isn't the worst thing in the world. Tommy was here for 1 more season and we were gonna stick him in CF anyway where he'd continue to be a 1-2 WAR player. We weren't going to extend him long-term and play him at 2b where he and Winn could be a dynamic middle-infield for the next half-decade and create problems at the top of the order with their speed.

No, we weren't going to get anything out of him. And at least we didn't do anything like move Walker or Burleson (who may actually be here in 2-3 seasons) for the short-term job saving fix.

Now I feel like Mozeliak has been effectively neutered from doing anything like that. He's not going to be allowed to make a short-term move. We've sufficiently protected any worthwhile organizational assets that may be here in 3-5 years when this team could potentially be decent again.

So yeah - continue signing old guys to 1 and 2 year deals. Keep getting bullet catchers who don't create any long-term liabilities or remove any possible long-term assets. Seemed like about the time we started hearing rumblings about another Carpenter style "make him comfortable" extension for Goldschmidt, we put the bite-collar on Mozeliak.

Good. It was clearly needed.

Now if we could convince the guy to move someone like Helsley, that would be ideal. The Orioles need a closer and have a loaded system. They seemingly have no use for Kjerstad. Go get something like that figured out. If you need to include Fedde because they're looking for starting pitching - okay, do that. They need a lefty reliever? Hey, JoJo Romero is going to have value. He's reasonably effective and has 2 years of team control.

Move out short-term assets and figure out a genuine plan. Anybody born prior to 1997 needs to be considered as a guy you consider moving for assets.
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Hey DJ what's the deets on Bloom? The first guy he hired? I don't want to listen to blabbermouth to find out.
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Hey DJ what's the deets on Bloom? The first guy he hired? I don't want to listen to blabbermouth to find out.
Complete lunacy to still have Mo on board. Dude ruined the organization and they give him a slow ride off in to the sunset and from what I've heard an upcoming appreciation day at Busch
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What did we get for him to the Dodgers? Probably not even a bag of practice baseballs.

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What did we get for him to the Dodgers? Probably not even a bag of practice baseballs.
Flaherty was ass most of the playoffs so at least that didn't sting very much. Other than the turd gets a ring. Edman deserves one.
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Flaherty was ass most of the playoffs so at least that didn't sting very much. Other than the turd gets a ring. Edman deserves one.
Lucky his bum ass plays on such a loaded team he could have easily had them in a two game hole all by himself. Although he didn't pitch bad in game one.
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Is this correct? From a STl Cards page. True numbers?


2025 STL payroll changes (including buyouts/MLBTR arb estimates):

Off the books:
Goldschmidt -26M
Gibson -11M
Gallegos -5.5M
Lynn -9M
Carp -5M
Middleton -4M
Kittredge -3M
Arenado -3M
Edman. -2.5M
Crawford -2M

Gray +15M
Fedde +5M
Helsley +3M
King +1M
Romero +1M
Nootbaar +2M
Donovan +3M
Pallante +2M
7 league min. +5M

That’s a ballpark figure of a $34 million reduction in payroll if the Cards make no other moves.
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