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[brdempsey69]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

Show me at any point in those 3 SB beatdowns...where Horseface was elite. He folded like the imposter he always was.

He got beat by 45 points....45!! That insane...he threw for 108 yards against a team that was blowing them out. Couldn't even generate some garbage time stats in that one..

The SB before he got beat 42-10...threw 3 ints and had a 36.8 ratings...just terrible.

He feasted off anemic QB talent in the AFC...lucky for him Marino was taken by such a terribly run organization. He actually was the elite QB talent Elway pretended he was.

It's just laughable in the 42-10 loss that the announcers refer to Elway as "Superman" and then come away looking like fools when they have to show the statistical graph of Elway completing only 5 passes in 24 attempts during one stretch in the game.

As for Marino, it just so happens that Elway only faced Marino twice in the regular season -- once in 1985 and once 1998. Marino and the Dolphins won both contests. The 1985 full game is available on YouTube & you can clearly see that Marino is the better passer & commentator Merlin Olsen states as much. You can also see that Donktards mythology about "Elway carried those '80's Donkeys teams" is completely FALSE.

[New World Order]

Horse face stats aren’t great. When you’re talking about a top 5 qb, he’s gotta have good stats.

Horseface doesn’t have good stats. And don’t give me this era stuff, compare him with Montana.

It’s not even close

[BlackOp]

After closer inspection...you realize why Horseface resorted to cheating. Bowlen knew he wasn't going to ever win a SB playing fairly. Those losses were embarrassing.

Hell...even in the Giants SB loss...they were down 39-13 with 2 minutes left. That was the best game Horseface ever had in a SB.

He is hands down the worst SB QB of all time...they were desperate to scrub that fact before he retired ringless.

Here is his stat line from the Packers (cheating era) SB....12 for 22 123 yards and 0 TDs...51.9 rating.

So in three SBs, he had:

12 for 22 123 yards and 0 TD, 51.9 rating.
10 for 26 108 yards and 0 TD, 2 INT, 19.4 rating
14 for 38 257 yards and 1 TD, 3 INT, 36.8 rating

here is the total...

1TD, 5 INT 36-86 36.0 rating...42% completion average.

[brdempsey69]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

After closer inspection...you realize why Horseface resorted to cheating. Bowlen knew he wasn't going to ever win a SB playing fairly. Those losses were embarrassing.

Hell...even in the Giants SB loss...they were down 39-13 with 2 minutes left. That was the best game Horseface ever had in a SB.

He is hands down the worst SB QB of all time...they were desperate to scrub that fact before he retired ringless.

"I'll never be considered a great QB unless I win one of these (Super Bowl)" -- John Madden quoting Elway towards the end of SB 24.

"My life won't be complete without a SB win" -- Dick Enberg quoting Elway towards the end of the 1991 Chiefs-Bills playoff game.

Then circa 2000 -- 2001, we see a TV commercial piece that show's Elway's buck-toothed Donkey face bragging about "winning 2 Super Bowls".

Then we have NFL Films creating a hit piece called "This one's for John", but you know it isn't forthcoming and truthful by any stretch of the imagination. It, of course, tries to sell the false narrative that Elway got his fraudulent SB trophy in legit fashion, but knowledgeable football fans know it isn't true.

Originally Posted by BlackOp

Here is his stat line from the Packers (cheating era) SB....12 for 22 123 yards and 0 TDs...51.9 rating.

And right there is why there is so much hoopla regarding the "Helicopter Dive" (as though no ball carrier in football history has ever been hit and spun around by a defender before or since). It was because Elway didn't do SQUAT else in that game other than hand the ball off to Davis. Elway couldn't throw the ball worth a squat -- same as his pre-cheating SB's.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Denver fans give Elway a pass for the SB blowouts, claiming his supporting cast wasn't good enough...while also giving him the credit for being carried by a loaded team when he was past his prime.

[BlackOp]

When I was looking up those stats..I never realized how legit terrible he was...kind of shocked actually. I figured there would some 300+ yard SB games since they were all blowouts and playing from behind.

How do you throw for 108 yards and lose by 45 points? That's an undrafted rookie playing his first NFL game type of numbers....yikes.

I also didnt realize he played Bernie Kosar in all 3 AFCCG. The guy notched one probowl appearance his entire career.

Horseface should be sending the guy flowers every year...his average QB play helped invent the Elway myth.

His career is even more fraudulent than I imagined...I didnt even need to fudge the numbers to make him look worse.

[brdempsey69]

The following quote is from a poster named Insider from a Philly sports fans page (sorry, I can't post the link at this time). He rates Elway as the most overrated QB of all-time and here is what he says:

There is a vicious fraud being perpetrated in some circles declaring John Elway as one of the best QBs of all time. But I was there. I watched him every game and the only reason he has such a reputation in some sports circles is that he was a "media darling" and not because of his play on the field. He was "the great white hype" in an era where Randall Cunningham was getting all the pub for his pathetic ability, and so everything John did was amplified by biased old sportswriters. ...Oh, and by the way, every time John Elway came to Philadelphia he got his ass unceremoniously handed to him by the arm and play of Randall.

The truth is, if it wasn?t for his final two seasons, John Elway would have been considered just an average QB. He had a decent team around him and so made it to the playoffs, but he would always come up short, even being demolished in the big game. The Broncos got the old packers the next to last year (1998) he played, and in his final super bowl appearance, the running back carried the team to a Super Bowl with John doing only slightly more than nothing.

Known mostly for a few highly publicized fourth-quarter comebacks where writers called him magic, they neglected his bonehead plays and never mentioned his list of putrid non-come-backs. Choosing instead to highlight what they called "The Duke's Magic? to pull off a win within minutes of the end of a game. The hard facts are, he played so poorly most of the games so that they were always behind. This means that it "required" a fourth-quarter comeback which was easier when teams were playing that stupid "Prevent Defense" we all knew and hated. The only thing it prevented was a win. The comeback kid sounds great until you realize that he stunk most of the game. How can you be one of the greatest of all time when you are inconsistent, playing loose and scattered, and winging it in desperation at the end of games? How can you be one of the greatest of all time when you have a career passer rating of 79? You heard right, 79. Who do you think put the Denver Broncos in the position of trailing in the last minutes in the first place? So enough with the false narrative of Elway being one of the best QBs of all time. I have nothing against Elway personally, but it just isn't true!

[BroncoBuff]

Originally Posted by New World Order

Horse face stats aren’t great. When you’re talking about a top 5 qb, he’s gotta have good stats.

Whoa there, poppy bush … I never called Elway Top 5 all-time. I put him #7, one slot ahead of Aaron Rodgers. Where they belong.

It’s not even close.

Originally Posted by BlackOp

In the Giants SB loss...they were down 39-13 with 2 minutes left. That was the best game Horseface ever had in a SB.

You know, it’s just too easy to beat you guys in Broncos-related debates. Don't kid yourself ... Just because you’re obsessed with the Broncos, doesn’t mean you know their history:
_______________________________
SUPER BOWL XXXIII
Elway ~ 18-29 63% ~ 336 yds 1 TD 1 rush TD
John Elway named Super Bowl MVP

_______________________________

Broncos led 10-9 at halftime of the Giants Super Bowl … things only got outta hand in the last one minute of 3rd quarter, ended 39-20 ... and Phil Simms played a perfect game. (Someday you guys really have to learn that quarterbacks don’t play on defense. Really, they don’t!)

Originally Posted by dempsey’s filly pal "the Insider"

John Elway was "the great white hype" in an era where Randall Cunningham was getting all the pub for his pathetic ability, and so everything John did was amplified by biased old sportswriters.

That’s just silly. As if the grizzled old East Coast sportswriters give a crap about “great white hype.”

And even if they did, Dan Marino would’ve been a much better choice … better looking, SB smile, or did you and your mysterious filly friend without a link ever happen to see Marino’s numbers his first couple years?

Originally Posted by dempsey’s ill-informed filly Insider

Oh, and by the way, every time John Elway came to Philadelphia he got his ass unceremoniously handed to him by the arm and play of Randall.

Nope.

By the way, Elway bitch-slapped Cunningham, Jaworski and the rest of the Eagles 33-7 at Veterans Stadium in 1986.

Originally Posted by RaidersCellar

We're judging QBs solely by the team's playoff record now?

*SIGH*

Never said that.

First off, as I pointed out, their regular season records are identical. And, playoff are just one of numerous factors to consider. And now let’s consider two QBs with the same number of years, career starts and re season records, plus:

PLAYER #1 goes 1-4 in Ch-ship games, plays one SB, has six ‘one-and-dones’ in 11 Playoff seasons, 3 Leaghas GREAT STATS!
PLAYER #2 goes 5-2 in Ch-ship games, 2-3 in SBs, just 3 ‘one-and-dones,’ NFL MVP, SB MVP, but just pedestrian stats. AND he retires with the most wins ever and most Super Bowl starts ever …….

Obviously PLAYER #2 is the Winner!

So why can’t RaiderCellar or anybody else around here admit this simple truth? When RaiderCellar said #1 was better, I asked simply “how did you get to that conclusion?” And, like the rest of you, he ignored the question.

Originally Posted by RaidersCellar

So Elway wasn't even close to Mahomes' level? And Marino sucked?

Marino did not suck. But his career stats ever so slowly-but-surely did decrease year-by-year until he and Elway were putting up similar numbers toward the end.

And correct (despite your sarcasm), Elway was never close to the same level as Mahomes. Mahomes, who 9 months ago leap-frogged another Top 10 stalwart into 3rd place on my all-time list. You’re welcome.

Originally Posted by RaidersCellar

If it wasn’t for his final two seasons, John Elway would have been considered just an average QB

Really?

Okay, fine. Take away Elway’s last two years. Then his career is VERY similar to ??? JIM KELLY! (just one fewer SB loss). And see here! Jim Kelly is in the Hall of Fame, so that version of Elway would be too!

RC, you must understand: Players enshrined in the Hall of Fame are NOT average. They’re not even above average, they are WAY above average, an exceptional few.




You guys’ complaints are really weak stuff … and the weakest part is – (well the WEAKEST is how you constantly make up quotes and misquote me in order to make points), but the second weakest weakness is you over and over fail to learn from my example.

Again and again I elevate truth and logic (and my opinions) above your obsessive hatred … I properly praise Mahomes, Reid, and practically elevate Lamar Hunt to sainthood. I think 6, pushing 7 straight home field Championship games is one of the 2 or 3 most amazing records in all sports.

But does anybody stop and say, “Well he is right about one thing - the NFL did not strip the Super Bowls from the Broncos. We can complain, but they are valid.”

Nope.

Does anybody say, “I think we have more in common with this guy than we have in opposition, were football fans” and “maybe we should treat him like a human being?”

Nope.

Well, I remain convinced everything I’ve said about your obsession is true, for numerous of you. Many of you were simply jumping on the pile for fun, at least that's what I thought. But by now that fun time should've naturally broke, and we'd be talking football (had the most hope for RealSNR and RaidersCellar), but alas no.


..It says "Captain" ^^^ right there!

If Elway was YOUR CAPTAIN, that means he now has THREE Super Bowls! And you can't complain he cheated to get this one, because that would mean you cheated too!

Oh that is quite the dilemma!

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[rydogg58]

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

Whoa there, poppy bush … I never called Elway Top 5 all-time. I put him #7, one slot ahead of Aaron Rodgers. Where they belong.

It’s not even close.




You know, it’s just too easy to beat you guys in Broncos-related debates. Just because you’re obsessed with them, doesn’t mean you know their history:
_______________________________
SUPER BOWL XXXIII
Elway ~ 18-29 63% ~ 336 yds 1 TD 1 rush TD
John Elway named Super Bowl MVP

_______________________________


Broncos led 10-9 at halftime of the Giants Super Bowl … things only got outta hand in the last one minute of 3rd quarter, ended 39-20 ... and Phil Simms played a perfect game. (Someday you guys really have to learn that quarterbacks don’t play on defense. Really, they don’t!)




That’s just silly. As if the grizzled old East Coast sportswriters give a crap about “great white hype.”

And even if they did, Dan Marino would’ve been a much better choice … better looking, SB smile, or did you and your mysterious filly friend without a link ever happen to see Marino’s numbers his first couple years?




Nope.

By the way, Elway bitch-slapped Cunningham, Jaworski and the rest of the Eagles 33-7 at Veterans Stadium in 1986.




*SIGH*

Never said that.

First off, as I pointed out, their regular season records are identical. And, playoff are just one of numerous factors to consider. And now let’s consider two QBs with the same number of years, career starts and re season records, plus:

PLAYER #1 goes 1-4 in Ch-ship games, plays one SB, has six ‘one-and-dones’ in 11 Playoff seasons, 3 Leaghas GREAT STATS!
PLAYER #2 goes 5-2 in Ch-ship games, 2-3 in SBs, just 3 ‘one-and-dones,’ NFL MVP, SB MVP, but just pedestrian stats. AND he retires with the most wins ever and most Super Bowl starts ever …….

Obviously PLAYER #2 is the Winner!

So why can’t RaiderCellar or anybody else around here admit this simple truth? When RaiderCellar said #1 was better, I asked simply “how did you get to that conclusion?” And, like the rest of you, he ignored the question.




Marino did not suck. But his career stats ever so slowly-but-surely did decrease year-by-year until he and Elway were putting up similar numbers toward the end.

And correct (despite your sarcasm), Elway was never close to the same level as Mahomes. Mahomes, who 9 months ago leap-frogged another Top 10 stalwart into 3rd place on my all-time list. You’re welcome.




Really?

Okay, fine. Take away Elway’s last two years. Then his career is VERY similar to ??? JIM KELLY! (just one fewer SB loss). And see here! Jim Kelly is in the Hall of Fame, so that version of Elway would be too!

RC, you must understand: Players enshrined in the Hall of Fame are NOT average. They’re not even above average, they are WAY above average, an exceptional few.




You guys’ complaints are really weak stuff … and the weakest part is – (well the WEAKEST is how you constantly make up quotes and misquote me in order to make points), but the second weakest weakness is you over and over fail to learn from my examples.

Again and again I elevate truth and logic (and my opinions) above your obsessive hatred … I properly praise Mahomes, Reid, and practically elevate Lamar Hunt to sainthood. I think 6, pushing 7 straight home field Championship games is one of the 2 or 3 most amazing records in all sports.

But does anybody stop and say, “Well he is right about one thing - the NFL did not strip the Super Bowls from the Broncos. We can complain, but they are valid.”

Nope.

Does anybody say, “I think we have more in common with this guy than we have in opposition, were football fans” and “maybe we should treat him like a human being?”

Nope.

Well, I remain convinced everything I’ve said about your obsession is true, for numerous of you. Many of you were simply jumping on the pile for fun, at least that's what I thought. But by now that fun time should've naturally broke, and we'd be talking football (had the most hope for RealSNR and RaidersCellar), but alas no.


..It says "Captain" ^^^ right there!

If Elway was YOUR CAPTAIN, that means he now has THREE Super Bowls! And you can't complain he cheated to get this one, because that would mean you cheated too!

Oh that is quite the dilemma!

.

I bet your dad punches your mother because she wouldn't let him drown you in the bathtub.

[PHOG]

If Elway was YOUR CAPTAIN, that means he now has THREE Super Bowls! And you can't complain he cheated to get this one, because that would mean you cheated too!

WTF?!?!?! Whay fantasy world does this jackass live in?

[Mile High Mania]

I’m glad there’s someone here to help you guys get all of this off your chests.

[brdempsey69]

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

Nope.

By the way, Elway bitch-slapped Cunningham, Jaworski and the rest of the Eagles 33-7 at Veterans Stadium in 1986.

Elway didn't bitch slap anyone in that game, you lying bag of worms. Elway only played part of the game & threw 12 passes. It was Winder, Sewell, and Willhite that combined for over 300 yards in total Offense (so much for the false narrative of 'Elway carried those '80's Donkeys'). Cunningham only played at the trail end of the game.

Insider was referring to when Cunningham started & played the full game against Elway -- like he did in 1989 and in 1992 and Cunningham bitch-slapped Elway both times.

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

But does anybody stop and say, “Well he is right about one thing - the NFL did not strip the Super Bowls from the Broncos. We can complain, but they are valid.”

News flash: The court of public judgement is one that is never out of session & is comprised of multitudes numbering in the 100's of millions across the country and many have decreed the Donkey's all-time SB record of 0 wins, 5 losses, and 3 gifted to them as going-away presents & they are not going to go along with Donktards claims that Donks fraudulent SB trophies valid, when the proof is overwhelming that they aren't. Here's an example shown to you before:

@dogfacedboy6947
1 year ago
The reason that John Elway chased after Payton Manning SO HARD was because he knew that he would be "gifted" a Super Bowl or two in his last years. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO ELWAY.

Donkeys cheated to get their 3 fraudulent SB trophies, but KC still has more and got them without cheating.

[BroncoBuff]

Originally Posted by brdempsey

Insider was referring to when Cunningham started & played the full game against Elway

NOPE!

You and your pal Insider said:

Originally Posted by Dempsey + Insider

Every time John Elway came to Philadelphia he got his ass unceremoniously handed to him

Score was 26-0 at halftime ... of COURSE Elway took most the 2nd half off. He's not a sadist.

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[BroncoBuff]

Originally Posted by PHOG

WTF?!?!?! Whay fantasy world does this jackass live in?

The REAL world, Mr. LateToTheParty!

It says "CAPTAIN" right there!

C-A-P-T-A-I-N!

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[brdempsey69]

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

NOPE!

You and your pal Insider said:



Score was 26-0 at halftime ... of COURSE Elway took most the 2nd half off. He's not a sadist.

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ASSHOLE , look again -- Insider said that "Oh, and by the way, every time John Elway came to Philadelphia he got his ass unceremoniously handed to him by the arm and play of Randall."

Nice try by omitting "by the arm and play of Randall", but you FAIL. Cunningham had no such opportunity in that 1986 game, therefore anybody can easily see Insider was referring to the games where Randall was the starter for the Eagles (which he wasn't in that 1986 game) going up against your 2nd-tier, buck-toothed, turd-out-of-his-back-pocket pulling QB named Turd Elway.

Originally Posted by PHOG

WTF?!?!?! What fantasy world does this jackass live in?

He's clearly had one too many intimate sessions with his neighbor's dog. He continually distorts context and tries to mislabel evidence put in front of him as "opinion" because he knows it proves the opposite of the false spin that he's trying to push.