Royals 2012 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 52

**alnorth** · 10:54 PM

2012 Slogan: Our Time

A better, more accurate 2012 Slogan: It is Finally Next Year
(from Great Expectations)

An alternative slogan if you don't like that one: Someone has to win this crappy division
(from alnorth)

With the beginning of a new year, it is time for the 2012 version of the Royals Repository Thread. We've got Hosmer, we've got a 2011-dominating Gordon, we've got Moose, we've got hopefully a killer bullpen, we've got a stereotypical slow slugging DH, we've got easily one of the best defensive shortstops in the AL, we've got a promising catcher in Salvador Perez. Hell, we've got offense and promising prospects galore.

We do not have starting pitching.

Oh yeah, we've also got this:

Get ready for, (as of January 2012 anyway), one of the most confusing puzzles of a baseball season in recent Royals history. Will they suck? Maybe, I don't know. Will we be given a year of 0.500 baseball? Possibly, I don't know. Will they win the division and go to the playoffs for the first time in 27 years? For the first time in a long time, it could happen, I don't know. 92 losses, 92 wins, or anything in between would not surprise a lot of us.

Everything goes here except Gameday threads and really big news. If a giant story breaks, the Royals achieve some awesome milestone, or we sign/lose a highly significant player/coach/mascot/whatever, then it might also deserve its own thread. This being Chiefs Planet, please do not clutter the board with new threads about trivial Royals news or you will only annoy those who come here for just Chiefs football. If you aren't sure and its not a Gameday thread, it goes here.

What sort of stuff often goes here? SPchief explained it well, so I'll just copy that:

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If you locate something of interest.. ANYTHING.. deals on apparel, best ways in/out of the stadium, giveaways, great stories from this season or from seasons gone by, rumors, trades, anything.... feel free to post it here.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 02-14-2012, 01:54 PM

Thanks guys. It's not like I don't watch a ton of baseball anyway and would likely have time to give it, was just curious.

**alnorth** · 02-14-2012, 02:26 PM

He's not perfect, but Ned Yost is probably as close to my ideal manager as we'll ever get. I don't believe that "good" managers add many, if any, wins, but a bad manager sure as hell can add a ton of losses with dumb moves and pitching injuries. He seems to handle the pitchers and bullpen well, no one gets overworked to the point of shredding their arm, and he also realizes he's in the american league. He still bunts a little bit more than I'd like, but for the most part he sits back and lets them swing away. (I'm not going to complain about stealing, we seem to be a pretty good stealing team, and the sabermetric value of a stolen base, if your SB% doesn't suck, has improved to the point of being worth it since the Moneyball days, mostly due to fewer runs scored around the league)

58kcfan89 · 02-14-2012, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

He's not perfect, but Ned Yost is probably as close to my ideal manager as we'll ever get. I don't believe that "good" managers add many, if any, wins, but a bad manager sure as hell can add a ton of losses with dumb moves and pitching injuries. He seems to handle the pitchers and bullpen well, no one gets overworked to the point of shredding their arm, and he also realizes he's in the american league. He still bunts a little bit more than I'd like, but for the most part he sits back and lets them swing away. (I'm not going to complain about stealing, we seem to be a pretty good stealing team, and the sabermetric value of a stolen base, if your SB% doesn't suck, has improved to the point of being worth it since the Moneyball days, mostly due to fewer runs scored around the league)

I would tend to agree, especially in the AL. I feel like an NL manager (or AL manager in an NL park) can make a pretty significant difference, but the DH takes a lot of that away (And thank God. I don't want to pay to see pitchers try to hit).

Speaking of Moneyball, that 12-11 game in the movie...... Cringed when I saw that they were gunna make a big deal out of it. All those horrible players bringing back some bad memories....

Eh, **** it. Let's get some wins this year.

Great Expectations · 02-14-2012, 03:49 PM

I don't think the NL managers have it that much harder. When to PH and pull a pitcher is usually dictated by where they are in the lineup instead of looking at how they are performing, which is more difficult imo.

**DeezNutz** · 02-14-2012, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 58kcfan89

Anyone got any thoughts on this? I know I hated it when we extended Yost's contract beyond being the interim manager, but have grown to kinda like him.

It's a great thing. Yost is, hands down, the best manager we've had in KC in 20+ years.

Mama Hip Rockets · 02-14-2012, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

I WOULD piss on it any other time, though.

**alnorth** · 02-14-2012, 07:04 PM

Speaking of stolen bases, found this neat little chart, based on 2009-2011 data.

Based on that, and based on the last couple years, I'd say the following players have the green light to steal second whenever the hell they want, unless the game situation demands they not steal.

Dyson (obviously)
Getz
Escobar
Giavotella (small sample)

These guys are good enough to give it a shot with 2 outs, but should probably stay until then, unless the game situation demands taking a risk, or if they spot a tell that reliably broadcasts when the pitcher is going home.

Hosmer
Gordon
Frenchy

The rest either have too-limited data to really say, or aren't stealing for a good reason (Butler)

and, if you are curious, here's the charts for the other situations.

Which confirms the old rule of thumb to never make the 1st or last out at 3rd. It is also kind of interesting how the double steal's payoff drives down the break-even point, compared to just stealing 3rd. A double steal with no out doesn't look crazy with a fast lead runner, too.

58kcfan89 · 02-14-2012, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

It's a great thing. Yost is, hands down, the best manager we've had in KC in 20+ years.

Not to be a jackass....but is that really something to be proud of?...

But yeah, he's miles ahead of anyone I can remember.

**DeezNutz** · 02-14-2012, 07:11 PM

He's a legit ML manager. Better than average, without question.

Simplicity · 02-14-2012, 07:27 PM

Super stoked for this year... I think this is prolly the most hyped Royals season since I was born.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 02-14-2012, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Simplicity

Super stoked for this year... I think this is prolly the most hyped Royals season since I was born.

How old are you? Just curious. I feel bad for Royals fans under 30 who weren't around to see the glory days and feel how exciting it was. Man I hope those days make it back.

**Kyle DeLexus** · 02-14-2012, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. noonanbeermefever

How old are you? Just curious. I feel bad for Royals fans under 30 who weren't around to see the glory days and feel how exciting it was. Man I hope those days make it back.

23 here.

Simplicity · 02-14-2012, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. noonanbeermefever

How old are you? Just curious. I feel bad for Royals fans under 30 who weren't around to see the glory days and feel how exciting it was. Man I hope those days make it back.

15.... Haha.

**Kyle DeLexus** · 02-14-2012, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Simplicity

15.... Haha.

WTF? Doesn't this site have some kind of parental filter? It should be at least "R" rated.

Chief_For_Life58 · 02-14-2012, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. noonanbeermefever

How old are you? Just curious. I feel bad for Royals fans under 30 who weren't around to see the glory days and feel how exciting it was. Man I hope those days make it back.

25 here...and lets not forget about the damn q u e e f s either. and dont give me that 90s bullshit

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alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57156239	He's not perfect, but Ned Yost is probably as close to my ideal manager as we'll ever get. I don't believe that "good" managers add many, if any, wins, but a bad manager sure as hell can add a ton of losses with dumb moves and pitching injuries. He seems to handle the pitchers and bullpen well, no one gets overworked to the point of shredding their arm, and he also realizes he's in the american league. He still bunts a little bit more than I'd like, but for the most part he sits back and lets them swing away. (I'm not going to complain about stealing, we seem to be a pretty good stealing team, and the sabermetric value of a stolen base, if your SB% doesn't suck, has improved to the point of being worth it since the Moneyball days, mostly due to fewer runs scored around the league) __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57156239	Speaking of stolen bases, found this neat little chart, based on 2009-2011 data. Based on that, and based on the last couple years, I'd say the following players have the green light to steal second whenever the hell they want, unless the game situation demands they not steal. Dyson (obviously) Getz Escobar Giavotella (small sample) These guys are good enough to give it a shot with 2 outs, but should probably stay until then, unless the game situation demands taking a risk, or if they spot a tell that reliably broadcasts when the pitcher is going home. Hosmer Gordon Frenchy The rest either have too-limited data to really say, or aren't stealing for a good reason (Butler) and, if you are curious, here's the charts for the other situations. Which confirms the old rule of thumb to never make the 1st or last out at 3rd. It is also kind of interesting how the double steal's payoff drives down the break-even point, compared to just stealing 3rd. A double steal with no out doesn't look crazy with a fast lead runner, too. __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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