Mock (11/14) - Page 5

Direckshun · 11-14-2014, 12:05 PM

Assumptions:

1. The Chiefs finish 9-7, make the playoffs, and get drummed out of the first round by the Pittsburgh Steelers. Because we are the Chiefs. We end up picking #23. All staff is retained.

2. The team fails to extend OLB Justin Houston and has to franchise tag him. They do, however, extend S Eric Berry at some point over the next 12 months for about $8-9m a year. Tamba Hali, who for some reason fell off hardcore and only musters 7 sacks by the end of the year, agrees to a three-year extension for $22m ($10m guaranteed), getting a gigantic signing bonus but technically only playing for the vet minimum in 2015.

3. The Chiefs re-sign C Rodney Hudson to a 4 year, $20m deal ($6m guaranteed), DE Kevin Vickerson to a 2 year, $2m deal, and S Ron Parker to a 3 year, $5m deal ($1m guaranteed).

4. The Chiefs cut WR Donnie Avery, WR A.J. Jenkins, TE Anthony Fasano, DE Mike DeVito, ILB Derrick Johnson, CB Jamell Fleming.

5. The Chiefs tender OLB Josh Martin.

6. The Chiefs let walk RB Joe McKnight, WR Junior Hemingway, WR Frankie Hammond, TE Demetrius Harris, OT Ryan Harris, OG Jeff Linkenbach, OG Mike McGlynn, DE Allen Bailey, S Kurt Coleman, and S Kelcie McCray.

7. The Chiefs re-sign ILB Josh Mauga, CB Chris Owens, and LS Thomas Gafford to minimal deals.

8. The Chiefs sign WR Cecil Shorts (Jaguars) to a 4 year, $20m ($6m guaranteed) deal, WR Jermaine Kearse (Seahawks) to a 3 year, $9m ($1m guaranteed) deal, TE Lance Kendricks (Rams) to a 2 year, $4m deal.

9. They receive four compensatory picks: a 3rd (Albert), two 5ths (Asamoah + Jackson), and a 7th (McCluster).

On with the show:

1.23. DE Mario Edwards, Jr., Florida State

The Chiefs are in Super Bowl contention in 2015. They've put together an offense that will give Alex Smith tons of options on every down, and should stay together in its entirety for at least two years: Charles, Davis, DAT, Bowe, Shorts, Kearse, Kelce, and Kendricks. They've also retained Hali for a few more years, to allow Dee Ford more time to develop, and they've got enough options at both corner and safety.

The biggest loss of this hypothetical offseason is Allen Bailey. DJ has at least been adequately replaced by Mauga (and my 2nd round pick), but there is no substitution for the heat that Bailey could bring.

Edwards, however, is a perfect example of a Dorsey selection. At 6'3", 295 lbs, he was illfitted at rushbacker for the Seminoles, but he did show tons of explosion and power rushing the passer. The Chiefs have Kevin Vickerson, Jaye Howard, and Mike Catapano at DE, but the more time the coaches get with Super Mario, he's going to have ridiculous upside.

2.55. ILB Eric Kendricks, UCLA

The Chiefs need a leader who can hit hard, penetrate the pocket, and drop into coverage at the ILB position. Mauga can do all three decently. JMJ can only really cover. And Joe Mays can only really hit hard. Kendricks is the best talent they've drafted at the position since DJ himself.

3.87. OG Josue Matias, Florida State

Matias is a powerful run blocker at the point of attack, and would immediately compete to start against Jeff Allen at LG. Surrounded by Fisher, Hudson, and Fulton, all of whom will have another year under their belts, Matias could honestly plug-and-play just fine.

3.96. CB Jalen Collins, LSU

A guy who times poorly, but plays face, the 6'2" Collins can provide a lot more length and lockdown ability for the Chiefs' secondary.

4.124. CB/S Byron Jones, Connecticut

Jones is a 6'0" corner with safety experience. Due to his season-ending shoulder surgery, it's hard to tell where exactly he'll fall, but if Sutton wants to commit more to this off-man zone he's been running, Jones is a perfect candidate.

5.163. NT Phillip Dukes, South Carolina

Vance Walker costs a lot for a guy that plays 10 snaps a game. We're probably going to have to keep him for another year, but Dukes will give us some options if we want to part ways in 2016.

5.174. TE Tyler Kroft, Rutgers

Dorsey, for ONCE in his life, takes a step outside his prototype for the TE position. Demetrius Harris was barely panning out, and the Chiefs need a 3rd TE for their 3 TE sets. Kroft is an athletic receiving TE who can benefit from some coaching on his blocking abilities -- if they could teach a basketball player to do it, they can teach a lifelong TE to do it.

5.175. WR Malcolm Mitchell, Georgia

An incredible receiving talent that the Chiefs can afford to gamble on since, including DAT, the Chiefs are now four-deep at WR. Mitchell is just a fantastic player, but has struggled with multiple injures in his legs at Georgia.

6.193. RB Josh Robinson, Mississippi State

A thick bowling ball that give the Chiefs a little more muscle.

7.238. K Spencer Roth, Baylor

An excellent kicker under pressure, and it's honestly time we challenge Cairo Santos again. We get it, Dave Toub, you can turn anybody into an effect special teamer. Please replace the midget.

7.254. OT Rob Havenstein, Wisconsin

A large, powerful runblocker, the Chiefs can bench Havenstein to get his pass protection up to snuff for a year or two.

O.city · 11-16-2014, 09:56 PM

Direkshun, is Jalen Collins draft elgible?

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-16-2014, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

He is pretty versatile, but he was also an udfa plucked from another team. If someone wants to pay him that much, I trust Dorsey can find another player.

I'm also not sure that Parker isn't better at safety anyway

Parker will cost less than Berry and there was no discernible drop off while Berry was injured.

At this point in time, I can see Dorsey retaining Parker and cutting Berry.

O.city · 11-16-2014, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Parker will cost less than Berry and there was no discernible drop off while Berry was injured.

At this point in time, I can see Dorsey retaining Parker and cutting Berry.

When you look at how everyone else has progressed in their second year of he same scheme, it's not hard to think Berry has or would have as well if not for injury.

In his two games back, he's making plays in the pass game, which is what we all wanted.

With the way they ask the safeties to be versatile and not have a distinction in free vs strong, I can see them keeping both at a high priority.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-16-2014, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

When you look at how everyone else has progressed in their second year of he same scheme, it's not hard to think Berry has or would have as well if not for injury.

In his two games back, he's making plays in the pass game, which is what we all wanted.

With the way they ask the safeties to be versatile and not have a distinction in free vs strong, I can see them keeping both at a high priority.

His salary is too prohibitive to pay him $8 million + when a guy earning league minimum has performed equally as well.

O.city · 11-16-2014, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

His salary is too prohibitive to pay him $8 million + when a guy earning league minimum has performed equally as well.

Eh, we don't see eye to eye on it so there's no point arguing,

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-16-2014, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Eh, we don't see eye to eye on it so there's no point arguing,

Then just explain to me why Eric Berry's play justifies an $11 million dollar salary this year.

What does he offer that's so special that it can't be replicated by a player earning one tenth what he's earning?

Because quite frankly, I can't see it.

O.city · 11-16-2014, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Then just explain to me why Eric Berry's play justifies an $11 million dollar salary this year.

What does he offer that's so special that it can't be replicated by a player earning one tenth what he's earning?

Because quite frankly, I can't see it.

He was hurt early in training camp then again in game 2. This year, no he hasn't.

But he's coming off an all pro season, and like i said, as much as everyone else has improved in year two in th scheme, it's not hard to imagine Berry would have been that much better had he stayed healthy.

Also, they're using him differently this year than they did last year (according to sorter, who I won't argue with) more so allowing him to make plays in the passing game, which since returning from injury he has been.

RunKC · 11-16-2014, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Parker will cost less than Berry and there was no discernible drop off while Berry was injured.

At this point in time, I can see Dorsey retaining Parker and cutting Berry.

And who is gonna replace him? Abdullah who is turning 30 next year and on his last year of his contract?

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-16-2014, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

And who is gonna replace him? Abdullah who is turning 30 next year and on his last year of his contract?

Abdullah will be a "young" 30, as he was out of football for a while. There is no reason to believe he will suddenly hit the wall. The Chiefs still have Commings and will likely draft and sign guys that will replace him down the road.

But Abdullah isn't the issue at hand, so I'm not sure why you're even including him in this conversation.

O.city · 11-16-2014, 10:58 PM

I think Berry played to his contract last year. Hop3fully, not that he's healthy, he plays as well or better than he was playing last year.

RunKC · 11-16-2014, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Abdullah will be a "young" 30, as he was out of football for a while. There is no reason to believe he will suddenly hit the wall. The Chiefs still have Commings and will likely draft and sign guys that will replace him down the road.

But Abdullah isn't the issue at hand, so I'm not sure why you're even including him in this conversation.

Commings is finished. He can't stay on the field ever. He never even made it on the field in the first place.

We would need to draft one

OldSchool · 11-16-2014, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Direkshun, is Jalen Collins draft elgible?

Yes. But I'd rather have Mills.

RunKC · 11-16-2014, 11:27 PM

Kurtis Drummond would be a safety I'd look at.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-16-2014, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Commings is finished. He can't stay on the field ever. He never even made it on the field in the first place.

We would need to draft one

Commings may not have an NFL body but the NFL has been littered with guys that were unable to play their first or second season that later became good, if not great, NFL players.

Case in point today: Tony Moeaki scored his first TD since 2012 against the Chiefs.

Is there anyone in this forum that wouldn't want him on this roster opposite Kelce right now?

Direckshun · 11-17-2014, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Direkshun, is Jalen Collins draft elgible?

Yes. He's a hell of a corner, too. Unknown if he will declare.

11-14-2014, 12:05 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2143447	Mock (11/14) Assumptions: 1. The Chiefs finish 9-7, make the playoffs, and get drummed out of the first round by the Pittsburgh Steelers. Because we are the Chiefs. We end up picking #23. All staff is retained. 2. The team fails to extend OLB Justin Houston and has to franchise tag him. They do, however, extend S Eric Berry at some point over the next 12 months for about $8-9m a year. Tamba Hali, who for some reason fell off hardcore and only musters 7 sacks by the end of the year, agrees to a three-year extension for $22m ($10m guaranteed), getting a gigantic signing bonus but technically only playing for the vet minimum in 2015. 3. The Chiefs re-sign C Rodney Hudson to a 4 year, $20m deal ($6m guaranteed), DE Kevin Vickerson to a 2 year, $2m deal, and S Ron Parker to a 3 year, $5m deal ($1m guaranteed). 4. The Chiefs cut WR Donnie Avery, WR A.J. Jenkins, TE Anthony Fasano, DE Mike DeVito, ILB Derrick Johnson, CB Jamell Fleming. 5. The Chiefs tender OLB Josh Martin. 6. The Chiefs let walk RB Joe McKnight, WR Junior Hemingway, WR Frankie Hammond, TE Demetrius Harris, OT Ryan Harris, OG Jeff Linkenbach, OG Mike McGlynn, DE Allen Bailey, S Kurt Coleman, and S Kelcie McCray. 7. The Chiefs re-sign ILB Josh Mauga, CB Chris Owens, and LS Thomas Gafford to minimal deals. 8. The Chiefs sign WR Cecil Shorts (Jaguars) to a 4 year, $20m ($6m guaranteed) deal, WR Jermaine Kearse (Seahawks) to a 3 year, $9m ($1m guaranteed) deal, TE Lance Kendricks (Rams) to a 2 year, $4m deal. 9. They receive four compensatory picks: a 3rd (Albert), two 5ths (Asamoah + Jackson), and a 7th (McCluster). On with the show: 1.23. DE Mario Edwards, Jr., Florida State The Chiefs are in Super Bowl contention in 2015. They've put together an offense that will give Alex Smith tons of options on every down, and should stay together in its entirety for at least two years: Charles, Davis, DAT, Bowe, Shorts, Kearse, Kelce, and Kendricks. They've also retained Hali for a few more years, to allow Dee Ford more time to develop, and they've got enough options at both corner and safety. The biggest loss of this hypothetical offseason is Allen Bailey. DJ has at least been adequately replaced by Mauga (and my 2nd round pick), but there is no substitution for the heat that Bailey could bring. Edwards, however, is a perfect example of a Dorsey selection. At 6'3", 295 lbs, he was illfitted at rushbacker for the Seminoles, but he did show tons of explosion and power rushing the passer. The Chiefs have Kevin Vickerson, Jaye Howard, and Mike Catapano at DE, but the more time the coaches get with Super Mario, he's going to have ridiculous upside. 2.55. ILB Eric Kendricks, UCLA The Chiefs need a leader who can hit hard, penetrate the pocket, and drop into coverage at the ILB position. Mauga can do all three decently. JMJ can only really cover. And Joe Mays can only really hit hard. Kendricks is the best talent they've drafted at the position since DJ himself. 3.87. OG Josue Matias, Florida State Matias is a powerful run blocker at the point of attack, and would immediately compete to start against Jeff Allen at LG. Surrounded by Fisher, Hudson, and Fulton, all of whom will have another year under their belts, Matias could honestly plug-and-play just fine. 3.96. CB Jalen Collins, LSU A guy who times poorly, but plays face, the 6'2" Collins can provide a lot more length and lockdown ability for the Chiefs' secondary. 4.124. CB/S Byron Jones, Connecticut Jones is a 6'0" corner with safety experience. Due to his season-ending shoulder surgery, it's hard to tell where exactly he'll fall, but if Sutton wants to commit more to this off-man zone he's been running, Jones is a perfect candidate. 5.163. NT Phillip Dukes, South Carolina Vance Walker costs a lot for a guy that plays 10 snaps a game. We're probably going to have to keep him for another year, but Dukes will give us some options if we want to part ways in 2016. 5.174. TE Tyler Kroft, Rutgers Dorsey, for ONCE in his life, takes a step outside his prototype for the TE position. Demetrius Harris was barely panning out, and the Chiefs need a 3rd TE for their 3 TE sets. Kroft is an athletic receiving TE who can benefit from some coaching on his blocking abilities -- if they could teach a basketball player to do it, they can teach a lifelong TE to do it. 5.175. WR Malcolm Mitchell, Georgia An incredible receiving talent that the Chiefs can afford to gamble on since, including DAT, the Chiefs are now four-deep at WR. Mitchell is just a fantastic player, but has struggled with multiple injures in his legs at Georgia. 6.193. RB Josh Robinson, Mississippi State A thick bowling ball that give the Chiefs a little more muscle. 7.238. K Spencer Roth, Baylor An excellent kicker under pressure, and it's honestly time we challenge Cairo Santos again. We get it, Dave Toub, you can turn anybody into an effect special teamer. Please replace the midget. 7.254. OT Rob Havenstein, Wisconsin A large, powerful runblocker, the Chiefs can bench Havenstein to get his pass protection up to snuff for a year or two.
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