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Old 09-14-2014, 05:49 PM  
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Dee Ford
Did the guy even touch the field today? Kinda like last week, dude is a ghost. First round pick should be playing some snaps, what the heck?
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Old 09-14-2014, 07:20 PM   #61
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So what year is?

2017?

2018?

Alert us when the Chiefs will be ready to be a "win now" team.

And before you answer keep in mind the Chiefs just gave a $68 million contract extension to their 30 year old starting QB.
The Chiefs have 11 picks next year and an increasingly flexible payroll. I've already said that for the Chiefs to make a run, it starts next year. And that includes drafting a QB so Smith can easily hand the torch off to extend that window further.

For as much as we talk about this awesome 8-player nucleus of Pioli/Kuharich players we built around, so far in games where primarily Dorsey guys have played, we've played incredibly close games against San Diego, Indy (playoffs), and Denver (arguably best team in the AFC). If our draft picks improve this year, we draft smart next year, and we bring in some solid free agents, why couldn't we?

I've said before I'm nervous about Dorsey's talent evaluation. But next year sets up nicely to start attacking.
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Old 09-14-2014, 07:21 PM   #62
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Manning folded like Cassel. It was pretty. But in the end obviously not enough.
Yeah, thats a great sign for Poe no doubt... but with Hali, Houston and Berry (atleast for a while) thats just not enough.

How does so much talent get stymied so often, no matter the caliber of competition?... Sob Button, thats how... he couldnt find a way for his impact #1 pick to make an impact either.

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Old 09-14-2014, 07:21 PM   #63
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Which part do you disagree with?
I think you need to take a good long look at how Denver and Seattle have actually built their teams.

They spend a lot of off seasons doing very little and building through the draft. Why do you think Denver's payroll was so ridiculously low this year before they made their huge free agent haul?
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Old 09-14-2014, 07:22 PM   #64
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Pretty much this. Ford wasn't even the best OLB prospect available at our pick, Attaochu was heads and shoulders above him.
Not only that but BPA means at any position.

Now, of course, that's within reason. No punters or kickers or FB's or stupid $3it like that.
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Old 09-14-2014, 07:22 PM   #65
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You can argue startegy all you want, Rufus, but there's no way in hell a project player is the best player available.

And make no mistake about it, Dee Ford, with nothing more than a quick first step in his arsenal, is a project.

And that is also exactly what Fisher was.
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Yeah, thats a great sign for Poe no doubt... but with Hali, Houston and Berry (atleast for a while) thats just not enough.

How does so much talent get stymied so often, no matter the caliber of competition?... Sob Button, thats how... he couldnt find a way for his impact #1 pick to make an impact either.

I need blood on the alter, and Bob is IT.
I have zero problem with holding him accountable when he refuses to properly rotate his big men to keep them fresh and healthy. Burn him at the stake. You bring the matches I'll bring he gas.
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I think you need to take a good long look at how Denver and Seattle have actually built their teams.

They spend a lot of off seasons doing very little and building through the draft. Why do you think Denver's payroll was so ridiculously low this year before they made their huge free agent haul?
Because the last few years (after the Pat-tard left) they have done an excellent job drafting.

Drafting for BOTH need AND value AND not having any huge busts.

Notice how winning team also identifies their franchise QB and then DRAFTS TALENT TO SUPPORT FRANCHISE QB.

We did the opposite. Other than Fisher what have we done to support our franchise QB?

Fisher and a mid-round TE. That's ****ing it...
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You can argue startegy all you want, Rufus, but there's no way in hell a project player is the best player available.

And make no mistake about it, Dee Ford, with nothing more than a quick first step in his arsenal, is a project.

And that is also exactly what Fisher was.
So what you're saying is that if we have to choose between a high risk / high reward player vs. a low ceiling but more NFL ready right away, we should go with the latter?

I hated taking a LT last year. But no doubt you go with Fisher over Joeckl, even if Joeckl is more NFL ready. This is the same shit that would have had us passing on Dontari Poe and Branden Albert. And we bagged on this guys when they first started out first.

CP gets pissy that our front office doesn't take chances then when we take chances, we want more NFL ready. It's ****ing stupid.

And no, I'm not crazy about the Ford pick. I'm pissy about how many people on here think it's a bad idea to take a 3-4 OLB even if it takes a year for that guy to develop. Assuming he has true first round talent which I'm not convinced Ford does.
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I have zero problem with holding him accountable when he refuses to properly rotate his big men to keep them fresh and healthy. Burn him at the stake. You bring the matches I'll bring he gas.
I think he's no 3 on my list of what's wrong with our team.

Here's how terri-bad the situation is: our DC deserves to be fired an he's still not as big a failure as the GM or HC/OC...
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I think he's no 3 on my list of what's wrong with our team.

Here's how terri-bad the situation is: our DC deserves to be fired an he's still not as big a failure as the GM or HC/OC...
To be fair to myself, I meant (but did not clarify) holding him accountable for the defensive issues. In particular to the subject at hand of a lack of pressure on the QB.
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I am as fair and balanced as they come.

I'm sorry that the unbelievable exaggerated negativity gets a free pass around here. Today, we saw a team missing 7-8 starters/contributors, 3 pro bowlers, 18 of 21 starters being Dorsey guys come one play away from winning against arguably the best team in the AFC ON THE ROAD. And yet nobody's going to call out the guys who said Eric Fisher would be out of the league. People STILL calling him out even though he played decent today. That we have the worst offensive line in the league. That we're the worst team in the NFL and destined for 2-14. That call Alex Smith one of the worst starting QBs in the league.

Yup, that's fair.
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If it's a learning curve, Fisher was on the field last year, Ford you have to look for to even find in a couple of play's. I don't get it, he's a first round pick and should be on the field more than he is. A first round pick should not be a project you bring along.
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People STILL calling him out even though he played decent today. That we have the worst offensive line in the league.
Which is why the first pick in the draft isn't cut much slack.

When two guards fail horribly, YOU give up the sack, the best that can be said is your failure is less than theirs...
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Which is why the first pick in the draft isn't cut much slack.

When two guards fail horribly, YOU give up the sack, the best that can be said is your failure is less than theirs...
Fisher didn't give up a sack though. He gave up a hit to Ware, but not a sack.
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