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Old 09-01-2014, 01:52 PM  
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I haven't had a chance to thoroughly watch the first 3 pre-season games but did watch all of the GB game. Gaines played horrible against 2nd and 3rd string offenses of GB. Has he played this bad all pre-season ? What is your take on the kid so far ?
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Old 09-01-2014, 09:59 PM   #61
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I really think people are going to be eating crow on Gaines. He was my #4 CB and I loved the pick, but it was apparent he would need at least a year of NFL coaching and an offseason to get bigger/stronger to be ready to start. I tried to tell one of you about Kelce, but I was laughed at then too.
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Old 09-01-2014, 10:00 PM   #62
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As a first round pick from a major college program, he should be a lot more NFL ready. I get the concern there, but I'm not even close to ready to saying we know anything at all about him yet.

Sorensen... I'm not even defending the guy. We have people calling him completely terrible when he's a rookie who hasn't even seen (let alone played) a single snap of regular season football. And people flipping out about picking him over a guy who hasn't even been picked up by any other team.
My problem with Ford is that he isn't very young for a rookie, he's already 23 years old and still looks really raw. He also wasn't very productive until his 5th year, and even then he wasn't an "out of this world" talent on the field. He looked phenomenal at the Senior Bowl because it was very easy to anticipate the snap count, so he always got a jump on his opponent.
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Should have drafted EJ Gaines. Who drafts a scrub from Rice?
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Old 09-01-2014, 10:17 PM   #64
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As a first round pick from a major college program, he should be a lot more NFL ready. I get the concern there, but I'm not even close to ready to saying we know anything at all about him yet.

Sorensen... I'm not even defending the guy. We have people calling him completely terrible when he's a rookie who hasn't even seen (let alone played) a single snap of regular season football. And people flipping out about picking him over a guy who hasn't even been picked up by any other team.
Just saying, I think it was obvious to everyone we took Ford in the 1st based on his potential b/c we had the ability to allow him to develop.

As for Sorensen, what about getting BURNED by 2nd, 3rd stringers, and guys selling insurance starting tomorrow inspires you to his future against real NFL talent? As for bashing on Bronson, have any of the Chiefs cuts been picked up?
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Old 09-01-2014, 10:34 PM   #65
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Just saying, I think it was obvious to everyone we took Ford in the 1st based on his potential b/c we had the ability to allow him to develop.
Yes, every rookie deserves time. First rounders have less of a luxury, but they deserve time nonetheless.

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As for Sorensen, what about getting BURNED by 2nd, 3rd stringers, and guys selling insurance starting tomorrow inspires you to his future against real NFL talent? As for bashing on Bronson, have any of the Chiefs cuts been picked up?
I have not even said Sorensen is that good. I have not bashed Bronson one bit. I am responding to the people outraged that the Chiefs passed on Bronson, a guy who easily cleared waivers. I certainly hope that a few meaningless preseason games aren't the only way we judge a rookie like Sorensen. I don't have high hopes for him. But he at least deserves a chance to at least learn and grow before we suggest he's already reached his ceiling.
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Just saying, I think it was obvious to everyone we took Ford in the 1st based on his potential b/c we had the ability to allow him to develop.

As for Sorensen, what about getting BURNED by 2nd, 3rd stringers, and guys selling insurance starting tomorrow inspires you to his future against real NFL talent? As for bashing on Bronson, have any of the Chiefs cuts been picked up?
Oh, for ****s sake.

Sorenson and Bronson are both UDFAs...how far along were they supposed to be at this point?
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Old 09-02-2014, 12:40 AM   #67
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Oh, for ****s sake.

Sorenson and Bronson are both UDFAs...how far along were they supposed to be at this point?
People are pissed about Sorensen because, while Bronson actually made plays, Sorensen looked like a complete waste of space out there.
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Old 09-02-2014, 05:46 AM   #68
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People are pissed about Sorensen because, while Bronson actually made plays, Sorensen looked like a complete waste of space out there.
Sorenson actually has a pedigree that is worth investing in.

Bronson is a training camp hero. This fan base LOVES those...
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That computer program that Dorsey uses over-values combine results and underwear olympics. Here was Gaines' breakdown from nfl.com

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StrengthsNice length. Terrific timed speed, blazing sub-4.4 times at the combine. Can be deployed in zone coverage. Plays the pocket. Good production on the ball, with 35 passes defended the last two seasons. Tough and competitive. Is hardworking and well respected by coaches and teammates. Recorded second-quickest three-cone drill among cornerbacks at the combine (6.62 seconds).

WeaknessesDurability is a concern. Has been dinged up. Underdeveloped and underpowered. Does not play to timed speed. Not equipped to handle man-to-man responsibility. Poor run supporter and tackler. Does not project as a core special-teams player. Tweener traits.


Draft ProjectionRounds 4-5
Bottom LineLean, active zone corner whose ball skills will have to carry him. Could earn a roster spot on pure measurables but lacks desirable functional speed, strength and physicality.
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I don't understand how fans think that every draft pick should be an automatic star from the start? This guy was considered raw by nearly everyone. It takes time for most lower round guys.
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Early in Darqueze Dennard's first training camp, NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport noted that the Cincinnati Bengals' first-round cornerback has shown better than advertised ball skills.

Coach Marvin Lewis raised the stakes on Thursday, crediting the former Michigan State star as "the best rookie corner I've seen," per Dan Hoard, the radio voice of the Bengals.

That's high praise considering two of Lewis' teams drafted first-round cornerbacks in back-to-back years.

As Ravens defensive coordinator, Lewis coached Duane Starks (No. 10 overall, 1998) and Chris McAlister (No. 10 overall, 1999). As Bengals head coach, he tutored a pair of decorated corners in Johnathan Joseph (No. 24, 2006) and Leon Hall (No. 18, 2007).

"If he stays on this path," veteran cornerback Terence Newman said of Dennard, via ESPN.com, "the sky's the limit for him."

The Bengals don't plan to start Dennard "right off the bat," according to Hoard, but he will see plenty of snaps in nickel and dime packages.
That's right, that's the corner we passed on to take a b/u one dimensional pass rusher. He was gone the very next pick...
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My take is **** Dorsey for putting us in a position to rely on this guy as a rookie.

He may come good, he may not. But **** Dorsey.
I don't know how much we are relying on him as a 5th CB
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Gaines will be the 4th or 5th CB (barring injury). Not a big deal, however, you'd expect he would have had better coverage on 3rd stringers in the preseason. He was losing battles to guys who are out of the NFL today.
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That computer program that Dorsey uses over-values combine results and underwear olympics. Here was Gaines' breakdown from nfl.com

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StrengthsNice length. Terrific timed speed, blazing sub-4.4 times at the combine. Can be deployed in zone coverage. Plays the pocket. Good production on the ball, with 35 passes defended the last two seasons. Tough and competitive. Is hardworking and well respected by coaches and teammates. Recorded second-quickest three-cone drill among cornerbacks at the combine (6.62 seconds).

WeaknessesDurability is a concern. Has been dinged up. Underdeveloped and underpowered. Does not play to timed speed. Not equipped to handle man-to-man responsibility. Poor run supporter and tackler. Does not project as a core special-teams player. Tweener traits.


Draft ProjectionRounds 4-5
Bottom LineLean, active zone corner whose ball skills will have to carry him. Could earn a roster spot on pure measurables but lacks desirable functional speed, strength and physicality.
In the third round, your option is to go for underwear champs or to go for either good players at less important positions or safe picks who are average but have no ceiling. I'm glad we're finally taking gambles. This was a good pick. I don't care if he pans out or not.
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Sorenson actually has a pedigree that is worth investing in.

Bronson is a training camp hero. This fan base LOVES those...
You just dont get it, MAN... the dude is white, he cant POSSIBLY be any good.
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That's right, that's the corner we passed on to take a b/u one dimensional pass rusher. He was gone the very next pick...
That's who I wanted.
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