Chiefs Glenn Dorsey: From Tradable Asset To Key To The Defense - Page 5

T-post Tom · 08-08-2009, 12:15 AM

A few months ago, when Scott Pioli and the Chiefs first decided they would run the 3-4 defense this year, Glenn Dorsey seemed destined for one of two things: a trade, or failure.

Dorsey's skill set and body type just do not fit what most people think about typical 3-4 defensive lineman; he is not heavy or squat enough to play nose tackle, and he is not tall and athletic enough to play defensive end.

3-4 linemen are supposed to take up blocks and let the linebackers do the work, not penetrate and blow things up in the backfield, and that is exactly what Dorsey is best at doing.

We weren't the only one's who made this connection—that Dorsey's unique skill set would go to waste in the 3-4—the Chiefs realized this too, and made adjustments.

“A lot of people are thinking this is a straight 3-4 defense and it’s not,” said Dorsey. “Being at an end is a new place for me, but it’s not going to be a classic 3-4 end on every snap."

"There's a place for me on this defense."

So here's the plan, the Chiefs will be implementing some sort of 3-4/4-3 hybrid that was run in Arizona last year by defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast that was called the "4-3 Under" by the Cardinals linebacker coach, Bill Davis.

Glenn Dorsey won't be lining up heads up over the offensive tackle, in the five-technique, on most downs. Instead, he will be shaded slightly inside, between the guard and tackle.

Lining up in this manner will allow Dorsey to play a more typical 4-3 defensive tackle role and shoot the gap when the ball is snapped. Disrupting the offense in this way allows Dorsey to utilize his unique skill set to the fullest extent.

Playing outside of him in the DE/OLB role will most likely be Tamba Hali, who on most snaps will solely be rushing the passer. He mainly will be left one-on-one with the left tackle and is expected to be able to beat him on most snaps, especially given he will start from a two point stance most of the time.
With Hali occupying the left tackle, and nose tackle Tank Tyler most likely double teamed by the center and right guard, Dorsey will be left one on one with the left guard. Dorsey left one-on-one with a guard is a match up I will take any day of the week.

This combination of rare positions side by side will not only confuse the defenses, but will apply pressure on the quarterback's blindside from two different positions, causing even more chaos.

Getting this kind of pressure from a defensive end in a 3-4(ish) scheme is very unique, and is sure to cause confusion for the opposing offensive line. Only the Cardinals have run this scheme before, and is still very new to the NFL.

Hopefully the Chiefs will be able to exploit this new fad to the fullest, much like the "Wildcat" formation has done thus far.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...fense#comments

Mr. Krab · 08-08-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

Dorseys bad knee is what worries me the most-will he even make it through camp?? He was out the other day allready-but that could have been yet another injury.

Yep, i get an uneasy feeling about the leg and about his motivation. He's seems to have a little bit of apathy in him. Hopefully that's just appearance and i'm wrong. I just haven't seen that hungry,angry domination yet.

milkman · 08-08-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Krab

Yep, i get an uneasy feeling about the leg and about his motivation. He's seems to have a little bit of apathy in him. Hopefully that's just appearance and i'm wrong. I just haven't seen that hungry,angry domination yet.

I think a part of that is that he was learning how to play in the NFL, and put in a poor position for his talents last year, and a part of that is that he's a guy who goes about his business in a quiet unassumng manner.

RustShack · 08-08-2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BigVE

I think Dorsey will be ok but I still wouldn't expect big sack numbers from his position. What worries me more is what Rausch mentioned....Tamba struggled when he was on an island against left tackles in the past, why do they expect it to be any different now?

Because Hali is playing back at his normal weight which is 25 pounds lighter than what Gun had him out. He is also standing up now giving him more of an advantage versus if he were in his stance... especially considering he wont come every single play meaning he will get a wide open shot at times..

smittysbar · 08-08-2009, 05:57 PM

Man I hope Dorsey works out and becomes a dominate player. I truly don't think Hali will have a spot on this team in the future.

I will be at training camp the next few days and will keep an eye on this for you all.

milkman · 08-08-2009, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by smittysbar

Man I hope Dorsey works out and becomes a dominate player. I truly don't think Hali will have a spot on this team in the future.

I will be at training camp the next few days and will keep an eye on this for you all.

Keep an on McIntosh, Richardson and Taylor, as well.

I suppose you could also throw Colin Brown in the mix also.

Hammock Parties · 08-08-2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by smittysbar

Man I hope Dorsey works out and becomes a dominate player. I truly don't think Hali will have a spot on this team in the future.

The word is "dominant."

**HemiEd** · 08-08-2009, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ari Chi3fs

This is a nice wrinkle...

It would be nice if all these high draft picks were fit together.

Mr. Krab · 08-08-2009, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

It would be nice if all these high draft picks were fit together.

Yes, it would.

Tyson Jackson is a stud DE the likes of Reggie White. Since that is about how is he was drafted and is getting paid.

Tank Tyler is a solid NT that holds the middle

Glenn Dorsey comes on in his 2nd year to live in opponents backfield.

Tamba Hali regains his quickness at the lighter weight and turns into a quality pass rusher

Derrick Johnson finally pulls his head of his ass and becomes a tackling machine

Put these together with our quality young cover guys and BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!!

smittysbar · 08-08-2009, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

The word is "dominant."

Thanks mom.....

**Buehler445** · 08-08-2009, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by smittysbar

Man I hope Dorsey works out and becomes a dominate player. I truly don't think Hali will have a spot on this team in the future.

I will be at training camp the next few days and will keep an eye on this for you all.

Where have you been dude?

T-post Tom · 08-09-2009, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Krab

Yes, it would.

Tyson Jackson is a stud DE the likes of Reggie White. Since that is about how is he was drafted and is getting paid.

Tank Tyler is a solid NT that holds the middle

Glenn Dorsey comes on in his 2nd year to live in opponents backfield.

Tamba Hali regains his quickness at the lighter weight and turns into a quality pass rusher

Derrick Johnson finally pulls his head of his ass and becomes a tackling machine

Put these together with our quality young cover guys and BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!!

The stuff of football boners. Nice.

B_Ambuehl · 08-09-2009, 01:19 AM

According to that description Hali is playing the same role a 4-3 OLB would.

LOLZ

And I thought Kendrell Bell was limited in that role...

The only real world difference up front between the defense described there and the one we ran last year is Dorsey is playing 3-technique instead of Tyler.

The only real difference between that D and a typical 4-3 is the right defensive end stands up instead of putting his hand on the ground.

That's all assuming we are in fact running the D described in that post.

Hammock Parties · 08-09-2009, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

According to that description Hali is playing the same role a 4-3 OLB would.

Actually, no. The Predator is primarily a pass rusher with very limited coverage responsibility.

Jethopper · 08-09-2009, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

According to that description Hali is playing the same role a 4-3 OLB would.

LOLZ

And I thought Kendrell Bell was limited in that role...

The only real world difference up front between the defense described there and the one we ran last year is Dorsey is playing 3-technique instead of Tyler.

The only real difference between that D and a typical 4-3 is the right defensive end stands up instead of putting his hand on the ground.

That's all assuming we are in fact running the D described in that post.

If you have been looking for a post that sums up low football IQ. Your search is over.

TEX · 08-09-2009, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by smittysbar

Man I hope Dorsey works out and becomes a dominate player. I truly don't think Hali will have a spot on this team in the future.

I will be at training camp the next few days and will keep an eye on this for you all.

I don't think Dorsey or Hali will be on this team in the near future.
Have fun at camp!

08-08-2009, 12:15 AM
T-post Tom Busy in a Kohl's restroom Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Milk/Honey/Gazland Casino cash: $1967293	Glenn Dorsey: From Tradable Asset To Key To The Defense A few months ago, when Scott Pioli and the Chiefs first decided they would run the 3-4 defense this year, Glenn Dorsey seemed destined for one of two things: a trade, or failure. Dorsey's skill set and body type just do not fit what most people think about typical 3-4 defensive lineman; he is not heavy or squat enough to play nose tackle, and he is not tall and athletic enough to play defensive end. 3-4 linemen are supposed to take up blocks and let the linebackers do the work, not penetrate and blow things up in the backfield, and that is exactly what Dorsey is best at doing. We weren't the only one's who made this connection—that Dorsey's unique skill set would go to waste in the 3-4—the Chiefs realized this too, and made adjustments. “A lot of people are thinking this is a straight 3-4 defense and it’s not,” said Dorsey. “Being at an end is a new place for me, but it’s not going to be a classic 3-4 end on every snap." "There's a place for me on this defense." So here's the plan, the Chiefs will be implementing some sort of 3-4/4-3 hybrid that was run in Arizona last year by defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast that was called the "4-3 Under" by the Cardinals linebacker coach, Bill Davis. Glenn Dorsey won't be lining up heads up over the offensive tackle, in the five-technique, on most downs. Instead, he will be shaded slightly inside, between the guard and tackle. Lining up in this manner will allow Dorsey to play a more typical 4-3 defensive tackle role and shoot the gap when the ball is snapped. Disrupting the offense in this way allows Dorsey to utilize his unique skill set to the fullest extent. Playing outside of him in the DE/OLB role will most likely be Tamba Hali, who on most snaps will solely be rushing the passer. He mainly will be left one-on-one with the left tackle and is expected to be able to beat him on most snaps, especially given he will start from a two point stance most of the time. With Hali occupying the left tackle, and nose tackle Tank Tyler most likely double teamed by the center and right guard, Dorsey will be left one on one with the left guard. Dorsey left one-on-one with a guard is a match up I will take any day of the week. This combination of rare positions side by side will not only confuse the defenses, but will apply pressure on the quarterback's blindside from two different positions, causing even more chaos. Getting this kind of pressure from a defensive end in a 3-4(ish) scheme is very unique, and is sure to cause confusion for the opposing offensive line. Only the Cardinals have run this scheme before, and is still very new to the NFL. Hopefully the Chiefs will be able to exploit this new fad to the fullest, much like the "Wildcat" formation has done thus far. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...fense#comments
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B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9705405	According to that description Hali is playing the same role a 4-3 OLB would. LOLZ And I thought Kendrell Bell was limited in that role... The only real world difference up front between the defense described there and the one we ran last year is Dorsey is playing 3-technique instead of Tyler. The only real difference between that D and a typical 4-3 is the right defensive end stands up instead of putting his hand on the ground. That's all assuming we are in fact running the D described in that post. __________________ Who's decision was it to fire Romeo" - Coleman C Hunt: "It was my decision but it was one that Scott agreed with" LOL
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