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Hammock Parties · 11-19-2007, 11:23 PM

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Edwards defends conservative approach to offense

Given any other team’s offensive players, Herm Edwards might have tried harder to match Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts point for point.

Edwards is instead coaching the Chiefs, who are doing nothing consistently well when they’ve had the ball. That being the case, Edwards defended his decisions in Sunday’s 13-10 loss, saying the considerable offensive shortcomings leave him no realistic choice but to be what most fans consider ultra-conservative.

“There’s no room for error for us,” Edwards said Monday. “We have more three-and-outs than anybody in football. We have more negative plays than anybody in football. It’s hard playing that way. You put a lot of strain on the defense. So you’re trying to protect them, too. You don’t want your defense out there the whole game.

“Do I want to play that way? Heck, no. But we have to play that way. I’m trying to play the best way for the Chiefs to win the game.”

The subject obviously frustrated Edwards, who at times raised or lower his voice to make a point. He never wavered from his stance that an inability to make yards when running the ball or adequately protect the quarterback means the Chiefs are realistically squeezing every point possible from their offense.

“You have all of these great ideas that you want to use,” Edwards said. “There are a lot of things other teams are doing that we’d like to do. But we know what we are whether we like it or not. It’s been 10 weeks. You’re not going to all of a sudden evolve into something like New England. You’ve got to do what you feel you’re capable of doing.

“You know what you’re capable of doing and at the end of the day, you’re always trying to do things the players can be successful at. You can’t do things that won’t let your players be successful. You have to take some chances once in a while. I understand that. But there are (only) certain things we’re capable of doing.

“Would we like to do some different things? Sure. But you have to play to the strengths of your players. It looks like we’re conservative at times.

“We’re doing things in a way we feel we’re capable of doing them. As a staff, we’ve been with these players every day. We coach them every day. We know what they’re capable of doing. Whether everybody else believes that, it doesn’t matter. It might look conservative, but it’s a way of playing football that gives us the best opportunity to win.”

The Chiefs may have been able to squeeze more points near the end of the first half.

They took over at their 23 with 1 minute, 15 seconds and three timeouts left. The score was 3-3.

The Chiefs ran out the clock rather than try for points. Edwards ordered quarterback Brodie Croyle to hand the ball twice to Kolby Smith, once for 4 yards and the next for 5, rather than attempt a pass.

“We decided we were going to run the ball on the first play,” Edwards said. “If we got a first down, if we got 15 yards or so, then we were going to go for it. But that didn’t happen. And at that point I didn’t want to give (the Colts) momentum. They had two timeouts left. If we had taken almost no time off the clock with three incomplete passes and then we punted, we would have given the ball back to Peyton Manning with two timeouts.

“Then they get the ball back to start the third quarter. I’m not giving them two shots at me without us having even one. That makes no sense to me. I’m looking at all of that and saying, ‘Wait a minute.’ We survived the first half.

“Yeah, I was playing it conservative at that point. I guess people think we should take a chance because we were 14-point underdogs. But I’m trying to win the game. We were backed up. It was noisy. There were too many variables in that one.

“If I’m somebody else, then maybe I do it differently. But I know what I am right now.”

Against the Colts, Croyle made his first start in place of Damon Huard. Edwards made the change in part because of Croyle’s superior passing skills.

But the Chiefs declined to use those skills. His longest completion of the game was 19 yards, not counting the lateral on the game’s last play that gave him a statistical 21-yard gain.

Edwards indicated the Chiefs might try to throw more down the field in Sunday’s game against Oakland at Arrowhead Stadium.

“(The Colts) play a lot of cover 2,” Edwards said. “They’re not going to let you throw the ball down the field. They’ve only given up 10 plays of 20 yards passing. They don’t give up those plays.

“You’ll see the ball go down the field more against Oakland because they play more man to man. If we can get some one-on-one matchups we like, we’ll do it. That’s the next thing you try to do the next six weeks. This was his first game, and we had to get a feel for him emotionally and where he’s going to be. Now we can build on that.”

Mecca · 11-20-2007, 12:28 AM

No one is going to be forgiving of a coach that thinks a 6 point lead is enough to win against a team like GB, when we all see the Pats and Cowboys and even the Packers step on teams when they lead, no one is going to be forgiving about it these days.

KCJohnny · 11-20-2007, 12:29 AM

Herm's going to bring in a boatload of young players over the summer. We are about to get MUCH younger on offense.

Hammock Parties · 11-20-2007, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

No one is going to be forgiving of a coach that thinks a 6 point lead is enough to win against a team like GB.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh.....

We had a six point lead and then the defense blew it. We never had the ball with a six-point lead against Green Bay.

Mecca · 11-20-2007, 12:33 AM

Who thinks it's a good idea for Donnie Edwards to cover a slot WR running a seam?

Hammock Parties · 11-20-2007, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Who thinks it's a good idea for Donnie Edwards to cover a slot WR running a seam?

Shit happens. The Chiefs were in Cover 2. It took a PERFECT throw to beat it.

**Dylan** · 11-20-2007, 01:31 AM

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Given any other team’s offensive players, Herm Edwards might have tried harder to match Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts point for point.

I only wish that there was some way for this paragragh to be used in journalism classes as an example of what not to do if you are serious about a professional career in newspaper industry.

I know the statement is a nice dream, but a dream with research is worth exploring.

kcxiv · 11-20-2007, 01:35 AM

Hmm.. he doesnt want to put the Defense out on the field and put pressure on them if we turn the ball over. Ok, we turned it over once. Played Hermball, yet the Defense still had all kinds of pressure on them. Ok. Thx Herm.

**Dylan** · 11-20-2007, 01:37 AM

Herm -- throwing the team under the bus.

kcxiv · 11-20-2007, 01:40 AM

He contradicts his self so much it kind of makes me sick.

When you have the Superbowl champs tied in the 4th quarter, you try to go for the throat. I can understand him not going for it right before halftime. I actually agree'd with that call. In the 4th quarter we played scared towards the end. What the **** does he think? that Payton Manning isnt going to eventually score? this was the first game they were held to under 20 points. A score was GOING to happen.

I know Herm wants to beleive in his defense, but he has to be ****ing realistic here.

kcxiv · 11-20-2007, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Herm's going to bring in a boatload of young players over the summer. We are about to get MUCH younger on offense.

Only on the line. We may get a blocking TE, but thats it.

mrub4 · 11-20-2007, 01:42 AM

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http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/368858.html

Given any other team’s offensive players, Herm Edwards might have tried harder to match Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts point for point.

BS!! If Herm were head coach of the Patriots and he'd still be running his patented runrunpasspunt offense and Brady would have as many TDs total at this point in the season as he does in one game with Bellicheat

kcxiv · 11-20-2007, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Zouk

Actually we lost the most important game of the year (Broncos at home) by giving the opposition 14 quick points off our passing game. In other words, by taking a risk.

Yep, by having Huard in there. I knwo Terry blew the tackle, but Huards will was destroyed by then. Just by watching him on the sideline. He was done. He had no desire to play the game of football at that point.

RedThat · 11-20-2007, 01:56 AM

Wow...If I was a player I would never want to play for Herm. NEVER!

He summed himself up really really bad in this article. And yes Im really reading into it a lot.

**007** · 11-20-2007, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

One thing is clear: Herm will never be a popular coach. Regardless of whether he ends up winning a game here and there, his methods are absolutely maddening. I've never been as close to throwing something through my new HDTV as I was last weekend.

Maybe you had better give that TV to me. I have grown immune to the Chiefs of late and the urge the throw things never comes into play anymore.

kcxiv · 11-20-2007, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru

Maybe you had better give that TV to me. I have grown immune to the Chiefs of late and the urge the throw things never comes into play anymore.

I just laugh now and flip Herm off when they show him on tv. lol I just cant beleive we are now the 2006 Raiders on offense.

Its sad, but i can laugh.

11-19-2007, 11:23 PM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $1030478	Herm defends run run pass punt http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...ry/368858.html Edwards defends conservative approach to offense Given any other team’s offensive players, Herm Edwards might have tried harder to match Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts point for point. Edwards is instead coaching the Chiefs, who are doing nothing consistently well when they’ve had the ball. That being the case, Edwards defended his decisions in Sunday’s 13-10 loss, saying the considerable offensive shortcomings leave him no realistic choice but to be what most fans consider ultra-conservative. “There’s no room for error for us,” Edwards said Monday. “We have more three-and-outs than anybody in football. We have more negative plays than anybody in football. It’s hard playing that way. You put a lot of strain on the defense. So you’re trying to protect them, too. You don’t want your defense out there the whole game. “Do I want to play that way? Heck, no. But we have to play that way. I’m trying to play the best way for the Chiefs to win the game.” The subject obviously frustrated Edwards, who at times raised or lower his voice to make a point. He never wavered from his stance that an inability to make yards when running the ball or adequately protect the quarterback means the Chiefs are realistically squeezing every point possible from their offense. “You have all of these great ideas that you want to use,” Edwards said. “There are a lot of things other teams are doing that we’d like to do. But we know what we are whether we like it or not. It’s been 10 weeks. You’re not going to all of a sudden evolve into something like New England. You’ve got to do what you feel you’re capable of doing. “You know what you’re capable of doing and at the end of the day, you’re always trying to do things the players can be successful at. You can’t do things that won’t let your players be successful. You have to take some chances once in a while. I understand that. But there are (only) certain things we’re capable of doing. “Would we like to do some different things? Sure. But you have to play to the strengths of your players. It looks like we’re conservative at times. “We’re doing things in a way we feel we’re capable of doing them. As a staff, we’ve been with these players every day. We coach them every day. We know what they’re capable of doing. Whether everybody else believes that, it doesn’t matter. It might look conservative, but it’s a way of playing football that gives us the best opportunity to win.” The Chiefs may have been able to squeeze more points near the end of the first half. They took over at their 23 with 1 minute, 15 seconds and three timeouts left. The score was 3-3. The Chiefs ran out the clock rather than try for points. Edwards ordered quarterback Brodie Croyle to hand the ball twice to Kolby Smith, once for 4 yards and the next for 5, rather than attempt a pass. “We decided we were going to run the ball on the first play,” Edwards said. “If we got a first down, if we got 15 yards or so, then we were going to go for it. But that didn’t happen. And at that point I didn’t want to give (the Colts) momentum. They had two timeouts left. If we had taken almost no time off the clock with three incomplete passes and then we punted, we would have given the ball back to Peyton Manning with two timeouts. “Then they get the ball back to start the third quarter. I’m not giving them two shots at me without us having even one. That makes no sense to me. I’m looking at all of that and saying, ‘Wait a minute.’ We survived the first half. “Yeah, I was playing it conservative at that point. I guess people think we should take a chance because we were 14-point underdogs. But I’m trying to win the game. We were backed up. It was noisy. There were too many variables in that one. “If I’m somebody else, then maybe I do it differently. But I know what I am right now.” Against the Colts, Croyle made his first start in place of Damon Huard. Edwards made the change in part because of Croyle’s superior passing skills. But the Chiefs declined to use those skills. His longest completion of the game was 19 yards, not counting the lateral on the game’s last play that gave him a statistical 21-yard gain. Edwards indicated the Chiefs might try to throw more down the field in Sunday’s game against Oakland at Arrowhead Stadium. “(The Colts) play a lot of cover 2,” Edwards said. “They’re not going to let you throw the ball down the field. They’ve only given up 10 plays of 20 yards passing. They don’t give up those plays. “You’ll see the ball go down the field more against Oakland because they play more man to man. If we can get some one-on-one matchups we like, we’ll do it. That’s the next thing you try to do the next six weeks. This was his first game, and we had to get a feel for him emotionally and where he’s going to be. Now we can build on that.”
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kcxiv In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Central Valley, Cali Casino cash: $8697996	Hmm.. he doesnt want to put the Defense out on the field and put pressure on them if we turn the ball over. Ok, we turned it over once. Played Hermball, yet the Defense still had all kinds of pressure on them. Ok. Thx Herm.
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11-20-2007, 01:40 AM	#69
kcxiv In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Central Valley, Cali Casino cash: $8697996	He contradicts his self so much it kind of makes me sick. When you have the Superbowl champs tied in the 4th quarter, you try to go for the throat. I can understand him not going for it right before halftime. I actually agree'd with that call. In the 4th quarter we played scared towards the end. What the ** does he think? that Payton Manning isnt going to eventually score? this was the first game they were held to under 20 points. A score was GOING to happen. I know Herm wants to beleive in his defense, but he has to be **ing realistic here.
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11-20-2007, 01:56 AM	#73
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	Wow...If I was a player I would never want to play for Herm. NEVER! He summed himself up really really bad in this article. And yes Im really reading into it a lot.
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