Jeezuz folks get some perspective - Page 5

Dr. Johnny Fever · 08-25-2007, 05:35 PM

It isn't the end of the world that an unproven, inexperience QB didn't win the starting job right now. Earlier today I looked up at the sky and it is definately still up there. Hasn't fallen a bit.

Brodie isn't ready. It's that simple. He doesn't even have his mechanics down. He rushes things. He makes bad descisons. And he's got his whole career ahead of him. Don't you think maybe this will be a bit of a wake up call to him to get his shit together? Don't you think it will make him work even harder to be the guy we all hope he can be when the time comes? Isn't it better to let a guy who obviously isn't ready, sit back, get some perspective himself and come in once the O-line is (hopefully) a little more stable and LJ has found his stride?

Huard isn't great but he was solid last year and anyone who disputes that isn't looking at the big picture. Yes he had some issues. He was also the second rated passer in the NFL and lead us to the playoffs. It certainly wasn't his fault we didn't win once we were there. We know he can handle being the starter. Croyle.... not so much.

Excuse Herm and Carl and the whole organization for trying to put the best players on the field to start a season and maybe... just maybe trying to win a game or two. Many of us have little hope for a good season... no matter who plays QB. I'm glad the people who run the team don't have that same degree of low or no expectations. I mean how dare they try to compete with players who've proven they can.

Brodie will get his chance...probably even this year. I for one thank Herm and Carl for not handing the team over to a guy who may just get his ass and his confidence broken in two right from the start. Brodie will be a better QB later... when he's ready... for not having to try to sail a potentially sinkng ship now.

And who knows... we may not even be that bad.

TEX · 08-26-2007, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Where did all this "mechanics" crap come from?

I know the coaching staff hasn't said a word about his mechanics being poor. He comes over the top with the ball, and has a lightning quick release.

The whole "throwing off his back foot" shit is completely overblown.

Every starting QB in the NFL this year will throw off his back foot at some time, if not multiple times during the year.

Period.

Jesus Christ....Brett Favre made a LIVING out of it.

And they were no more READY than Croyle. You have to PLAY to have that questioned answered.

Yeah, but Brodie throws off it far too often and it usuallu leads to disaster. How would you explain his "happy feet" - sling -motion-throws - off his back foot when he has plenty of time to throw? I'd say poor mechanics is accurate. Just go back and watch the throw he made against the fins that was picked in the endzone. It was aweful.

**the Talking Can** · 08-26-2007, 02:02 PM

"win now"

"window of opportunity"

"Croyle will gain experience by not playing"

"add cream to a butter sauce to keep it from breaking"

TEX · 08-26-2007, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Explain to me what

Pollard
Page
Svitek
our Right T (pick one)
or our #2 WR (pick one)

has done to earn a job.

Don't forget Medlock...

TEX · 08-26-2007, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

Carl is making you reeruned

What's your excuse? Denile?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-26-2007, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

Tom Brady came in and lit it up right away.

In the REGULAR SEASON.

In the preseason, he didn't "show enough" to start over Drew Bledsoe.

Even outstanding coaching staffs can make mistakes.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 08-26-2007, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Yeah, but Brodie throws off it far too often and it usuallu leads to disaster. How would you explain his "happy feet" - sling -motion-throws - off his back foot when he has plenty of time to throw? I'd say poor mechanics is accurate. Just go back and watch the throw he made against the fins that was picked in the endzone. It was aweful.

That was the worst play I've even seen a QB make. No pressure on him... no one in his face... wide open WR... so he falls back and throws it right to the DB. Yea, he's ready.

Hydrae · 08-26-2007, 02:04 PM

I am surprised. I have been reading a few of the Huard/Croyle threads here today and I have yet to see one person point out what I feel is the biggest issue for Croyle at this point in time. Namely, the speed of the game. It looks to me like he still has not caught up to the speed at this level and the game is moving quickly around him. This will always lead to bad decisions and the attendant issues such as INTs.

The only way this issue gets resolved is playing in the games. Practice can not simulate gametime situations, game film can not give you a feel for how many more microseconds you have to get rid of the ball before getting smacked. Again, the only way to get the game on the field to slow down for you is to experience it.

There is no way to know when this transition will occur either. One day, in the middle of a game most likely, it will kick in. Then we will truely see what this young man is capable of at this level. But sitting on the bench will never allow his brain to make the needed transition that will lead to possible greatness.

**the Talking Can** · 08-26-2007, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

What's your excuse? Denile?

danilo?

my excuse is I hate 9-7

you have no excuse

Hydrae · 08-26-2007, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Don't forget Medlock...

Don't even get me started on Medlock. I see nothing to show me that he is any better than Tynes.

**Skip Towne** · 08-26-2007, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

Atleast Printers has some physical skills. I can't point to one thing other than the arm that brodie has. Can't escape the pocket, has to find lanes to throw because he is so short, and is injury prone.

Short? Croyle is 6'3".

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-26-2007, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Yeah, but Brodie throws off it far too often and it usuallu leads to disaster. How would you explain his "happy feet" - sling -motion-throws - off his back foot when he has plenty of time to throw? I'd say poor mechanics is accurate. Just go back and watch the throw he made against the fins that was picked in the endzone. It was aweful.

That was ONE throw. You act like this is a regular occurance. It's not.

You're looking for something that isn't there.

He's made 2 bad throws off his back foot.

Otherwise, he's stepping into the throw and firing it.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 08-26-2007, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

"win now"

"window of opportunity"

"Croyle will gain experience by not playing"

"add cream to a butter sauce to keep it from breaking"

A. Who said this team is going to win now?

B. The window has closed for the time being no matter who the QB is.

C. At least he can learn that dreaded "mechanics" word in practice and continue trying to EARN the job

D. I'll have a salad

**cdcox** · 08-26-2007, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Yeah, but Brodie throws off it far too often and it usuallu leads to disaster. How would you explain his "happy feet" - sling -motion-throws - off his back foot when he has plenty of time to throw? I'd say poor mechanics is accurate. Just go back and watch the throw he made against the fins that was picked in the endzone. It was aweful.

That was one pass and that is the only one anyone has named when they say he "throws off his back foot". One pass.

Misreading the defense caused that INT. He should not have even thrown that ball in that direction. It was a bad decision more than bad mechanics. If the read was right (man to man where the WR had beaten his man) that is a TD, even off his back foot.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-26-2007, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hydrae

I am surprised. I have been reading a few of the Huard/Croyle threads here today and I have yet to see one person point out what I feel is the biggest issue for Croyle at this point in time. Namely, the speed of the game. It looks to me like he still has not caught up to the speed at this level and the game is moving quickly around him. This will always lead to bad decisions and the attendant issues such as INTs.

The only way this issue gets resolved is playing in the games. Practice can not simulate gametime situations, game film can not give you a feel for how many more microseconds you have to get rid of the ball before getting smacked. Again, the only way to get the game on the field to slow down for you is to experience it.

There is no way to know when this transition will occur either. One day, in the middle of a game most likely, it will kick in. Then we will truely see what this young man is capable of at this level. But sitting on the bench will never allow his brain to make the needed transition that will lead to possible greatness.

Thank you.

That is the point I've been trying to make with my comments about there being no substitute for game experience. I just did a bad job getting my point across.

That comment has been stuck in my head, ever since a SB MVP mentioned it to me at a charity event.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 08-26-2007, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

danilo?

my excuse is I hate 9-7

you have no excuse

It'll be 7-9 at best anyway.

08-25-2007, 05:35 PM
Dr. Johnny Fever stax of wax Join Date: Feb 2004 Casino cash: $10004900	Jeezuz folks get some perspective It isn't the end of the world that an unproven, inexperience QB didn't win the starting job right now. Earlier today I looked up at the sky and it is definately still up there. Hasn't fallen a bit. Brodie isn't ready. It's that simple. He doesn't even have his mechanics down. He rushes things. He makes bad descisons. And he's got his whole career ahead of him. Don't you think maybe this will be a bit of a wake up call to him to get his shit together? Don't you think it will make him work even harder to be the guy we all hope he can be when the time comes? Isn't it better to let a guy who obviously isn't ready, sit back, get some perspective himself and come in once the O-line is (hopefully) a little more stable and LJ has found his stride? Huard isn't great but he was solid last year and anyone who disputes that isn't looking at the big picture. Yes he had some issues. He was also the second rated passer in the NFL and lead us to the playoffs. It certainly wasn't his fault we didn't win once we were there. We know he can handle being the starter. Croyle.... not so much. Excuse Herm and Carl and the whole organization for trying to put the best players on the field to start a season and maybe... just maybe trying to win a game or two. Many of us have little hope for a good season... no matter who plays QB. I'm glad the people who run the team don't have that same degree of low or no expectations. I mean how dare they try to compete with players who've proven they can. Brodie will get his chance...probably even this year. I for one thank Herm and Carl for not handing the team over to a guy who may just get his ass and his confidence broken in two right from the start. Brodie will be a better QB later... when he's ready... for not having to try to sail a potentially sinkng ship now. And who knows... we may not even be that bad.
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08-26-2007, 02:04 PM	#67
Hydrae MVP Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Newport, Or Casino cash: $-933000	I am surprised. I have been reading a few of the Huard/Croyle threads here today and I have yet to see one person point out what I feel is the biggest issue for Croyle at this point in time. Namely, the speed of the game. It looks to me like he still has not caught up to the speed at this level and the game is moving quickly around him. This will always lead to bad decisions and the attendant issues such as INTs. The only way this issue gets resolved is playing in the games. Practice can not simulate gametime situations, game film can not give you a feel for how many more microseconds you have to get rid of the ball before getting smacked. Again, the only way to get the game on the field to slow down for you is to experience it. There is no way to know when this transition will occur either. One day, in the middle of a game most likely, it will kick in. Then we will truely see what this young man is capable of at this level. But sitting on the bench will never allow his brain to make the needed transition that will lead to possible greatness.
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