Football Lamar Jackson wasn't, isn't, and never will be better than Patrick Mahomes - Page 5

Wallcrawler · 10:50 AM

This "Lamar Jackson is in the same league as Mahomes" nonsense on every football related show I see needs to stop.

Lamar Jackson, on the biggest stage, has now shit down his leg in both opportunities. Lamar is a player who has to have everything around him working perfectly to have success. Put him down 2 scores and ask him to carry the team, he cannot answer the bell.

There's a big difference between a running quarterback, and a quarterback who can run. Lamar Jackson and The Ravens ran 88 plays and put up 12 points.

Jackson attempted 59 passes, only threw one touchdown, but also threw two picks and lost a fumble. 12 points on 59 pass attempts should tell you all you need to know about Lamar as a QB when the lights are the brightest.

Nobody would bat an eye if before the game, soneone told us Pat would put the ball up 59 times. Matter of fact, id be pretty excited to see how many points and yards he would put up in that span of plays.

When things got bad for both QBs, you saw the odds on favorite to win the MVP this year get visible frustrated, press, and ultimately fold. He was nowhere to be seen trying to work out what was happening, rallying his team, he simply pouted on the sideline as his team fell further behind.

The reigning MVP had literally no quit. Its one thing to say after the fact, that we had faith all along, its quite another for that to be true.

Down 24, think about that for a moment. 24. Mahomes is captured, in that moment on the sideline saying we have everything we want. Everyones already counted us the **** out, so go do something special.

Then, to walk the walk after talking the talk, leading the team to 7 straight touchdowns and 8 scoring drives, throwing 5 touchdown passes, and displaying a fiery emotion that if you dont feel anything when you see this kid going nuts after a huge play, call the coroner, because youre already dead.

The two qbs could not be further apart. Jackson cannot hold Mahomes jock when it comes to putting the team on his back.

Lamar should consider signing with KC as a running back. Its the only way barring injury to Mahomes, that hes ever getting a ring.

Mahomes is the MVP. Its not even close. Lamar is a running back executing the halfback pass play about 20-25 times a game.

Jacksons first two years have ended with dud playoff performances.

Mahomes first two years as a starter sees his team hosting back to back AFC title games for a frachise that in its entire history never hosted a single one before he arrived.

Halfcan · 01-16-2020, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

Also not sure about leadership qualities. Mahomes has proven in back to back playoff games that he can rally the troops and make a very strong charge with his back against the wall.

*31 effing points in the 2nd half on a Belichick defense that gave up only 3 points in 4 quarters to a Rams offense that scored 30 per game on everyone else.

*51-7 domination after being down 24-0 to a Texans team that features the supposedly super clutch Deshaun Watson.

A huge difference between them is, Mahomes looks at the Ipad checking on what he did wrong after a mistake, getting coaching, talking to Andy so he can file it in his computer how the defense beat him.

Lamar sat alone pouting. He went out and just did the same sandlot antics over and over. That is all he knows. Either he can't be coached up at this point or thinks he doesn't need it.

Wallcrawler · 01-16-2020, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

Also not sure about leadership qualities. Mahomes has proven in back to back playoff games that he can rally the troops and make a very strong charge with his back against the wall.

*31 effing points in the 2nd half on a Belichick defense that gave up only 3 points in 4 quarters to a Rams offense that scored 30 per game on everyone else.

*51-7 domination after being down 24-0 to a Texans team that features the supposedly super clutch Deshaun Watson.

Mahomes just has that swagger. The fact that hes done it repeatedly, and now most recently literally destroyed a 24 point deficit in 9 minutes of game time means that when this guy talks, the team listens, and responds.

When he scored the first TD, he went nuts like It was the score to take the lead. That fire is infectious. The Arrowhead crowd certainly responded.

He never lost his cool, never got pissed off, even when his teamates were BADLY letting him down.
Never pointed any fingers, just took on the challenge and he rallied the troops and blew the ****ing doors off the Texans with 41 unanswered points.

Lamar cant hold Mahomes' jock.

-King- · 01-16-2020, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

Really, I am making up a narrative that the NFL media has been hanging off Jackson's jock all year?

Have you been under a rock on game day? Did you not see all the hype after the Ravens steamrolled the Rams?

Credit to the Ravens to put a system around Lamar to bring out his strengths as a play-action runner- but he is not the Michael Jordan of the NFL or a pure QB by any stretch.

Of course the media was on his jock the whole year. He scored 43 ****ing touchdowns. The highest in the league. He was the biggest playmaker in the NFL this season. Why wouldn't they be on his jock?

Hammock Parties · 01-16-2020, 11:48 AM

The rest of the team elevates their play because of Mahomes.

It's the same effect Montana had on this team.

They know if they set him up with a fumble on one possession, he can go 90 on the next.

When you believe with your whole heart, mind, body and soul, you play harder and more focused. Period.

-King- · 01-16-2020, 11:48 AM

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https://foxsportsradio.iheart.com/co...trick-mahomes/

Well that's 1. And we can all agree he's an idiot right?

DRM08 · 01-16-2020, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Mahomes just has that swagger. The fact that hes done it repeatedly, and now most recently literally destroyed a 24 point deficit in 9 minutes of game time means that when this guy talks, the team listens, and responds.

When he scored the first TD, he went nuts like It was the score to take the lead. That fire is infectious. The Arrowhead crowd certainly responded.

He never lost his cool, never got pissed off, even when his teamates were BADLY letting him down.
Never pointed any fingers, just took on the challenge and he rallied the troops and blew the ****ing doors off the Texans with 41 unanswered points.

Lamar cant hold Mahomes' jock.

Neither can Deshaun. I guarantee Mahomes would not allow his team to lose by 20 points after being up 24-0. He would fight like hell and at least make sure it’s a shootout in the 4th quarter.

Eleazar · 01-16-2020, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

A huge difference between them is, Mahomes looks at the Ipad checking on what he did wrong after a mistake, getting coaching, talking to Andy so he can file it in his computer how the defense beat him.

Lamar sat alone pouting. He went out and just did the same sandlot antics over and over. That is all he knows. Either he can't be coached up at this point or thinks he doesn't need it.

I'm not sure why teams fall in love with these guys who have beaten people with athleticism all their lives and don't truly know how to play the QB position.

The 'sandlot antics' aren't going to work at the NFL level. Do you think you can teach a guy to play QB all of a sudden? No. When has that ever happened? Do guys like this ultimately fail in the NFL? Ask Kaepernick, RG3, Vick, etc. (And there are plenty of other guys who didn't even enjoy the modicum of success that those guys did.) Bottle them up, make them beat you with their arm. You'll be fine.

You need a real passer in the NFL, unless you are just interested in selling jerseys and beating the bottom half of the league.

FringeNC · 01-16-2020, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

The rest of the team elevates their play because of Mahomes.

It's the same effect Montana had on this team.

They know if they set him up with a fumble on one possession, he can go 90 on the next.

When you believe with your whole heart, mind, body and soul, you play harder and more focused. Period.

That's a solid point. The Patriots last year deserve all the credit in the world for dominating our offense in the first half last year. It's going to be so hard for the Titans to win without dominating our offensive line like the Pats did for a half.

Halfcan · 01-16-2020, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Of course the media was on his jock the whole year. He scored 43 ****ing touchdowns. The highest in the league. He was the biggest playmaker in the NFL this season. Why wouldn't they be on his jock?

You just said I was making up a narrative about Lamar getting hyped up- now you are agreeing he was getting tons of attention?

43 TD's is still far less than Mahomes and we won't even talk about passing yards between the two.

O.city · 01-16-2020, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleazar

I'm not sure why teams fall in love with these guys who have beaten people with athleticism all their lives and don't truly know how to play the QB position.

The 'sandlot antics' aren't going to work at the NFL level. Do you think you can teach a guy to play QB all of a sudden? No. When has that ever happened? Do guys like this ultimately fail in the NFL? Ask Kaepernick, RG3, Vick, etc. (And there are plenty of other guys who didn't even enjoy the modicum of success that those guys did.) Bottle them up, make them beat you with their arm. You'll be fine.

You need a real passer in the NFL, unless you are just interested in selling jerseys and beating the bottom half of the league.

Well, to be fair, Mahomes wasn't exactly a polished pocket passer coming into the league.

But I do agree with the overall tenor of the argument for the most part. You can win with those guys and win in the playoffs as we've seen. But it's tough, you need breaks and at some point, you've gotta win from the pocket.

O.city · 01-16-2020, 11:58 AM

Lamar isn't Mahomes, but that's ok. He's still a young exciting player. People kind of forget, he's only 23. He's got time to develop.

I don't think guys can develop accuracy, I think it's an either or, but we will see how it goes for him. He won't ever be Drew Brees, but if he can get it up a tick or so, he'll be fine.

It's ok that he's not Mahomes. He seems like a good kid and wants to improve.

Eleazar · 01-16-2020, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Well, to be fair, Mahomes wasn't exactly a polished pocket passer coming into the league.

But I do agree with the overall tenor of the argument for the most part. You can win with those guys and win in the playoffs as we've seen. But it's tough, you need breaks and at some point, you've gotta win from the pocket.

Yeah, my overall point is - you don't win a super bowl with a guy like that. If you look down the list of Super Bowl winning QBs, they are almost all passers who don't need to run to be productive, or who use mobility to extend plays so they can throw.

DRM08 · 01-16-2020, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleazar

I'm not sure why teams fall in love with these guys who have beaten people with athleticism all their lives and don't truly know how to play the QB position.

The 'sandlot antics' aren't going to work at the NFL level. Do you think you can teach a guy to play QB all of a sudden? No. When has that ever happened? Do guys like this ultimately fail in the NFL? Ask Kaepernick, RG3, Vick, etc. (And there are plenty of other guys who didn't even enjoy the modicum of success that those guys did.) Bottle them up, make them beat you with their arm. You'll be fine.

You need a real passer in the NFL, unless you are just interested in selling jerseys and beating the bottom half of the league.

Funny enough, a lot of the supposed experts had the same opinion about Mahomes leading into the 2017 draft. Not surprising that 3 of the best QB coaches (Reid, Payton, Arians) all really wanted him despite the naysayers.

Eleazar · 01-16-2020, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

Funny enough, a lot of the supposed experts had the same opinion about Mahomes leading into the 2017 draft. Not surprising that 3 of the best QB coaches (Reid, Payton, Arians) all really wanted him despite the naysayers.

There's a huge difference between "a passer who needs to improve" and "an athlete playing QB"

Halfcan · 01-16-2020, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Well, to be fair, Mahomes wasn't exactly a polished pocket passer coming into the league.

But I do agree with the overall tenor of the argument for the most part. You can win with those guys and win in the playoffs as we've seen. But it's tough, you need breaks and at some point, you've gotta win from the pocket.

Mahomes is a highly accurate, pure passer with a strong arm- who is elusive in the pocket and can beat you with his legs on occasion.

Lamar is greased lightning back there- he can beat you with a good pass a few times a game.

They are not even the same.

01-16-2020, 09:14 AM
Wallcrawler How tall is this thing? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ground 0 for enema of US. Casino cash: $3712912	Lamar Jackson wasn't, isn't, and never will be better than Patrick Mahomes This "Lamar Jackson is in the same league as Mahomes" nonsense on every football related show I see needs to stop. Lamar Jackson, on the biggest stage, has now shit down his leg in both opportunities. Lamar is a player who has to have everything around him working perfectly to have success. Put him down 2 scores and ask him to carry the team, he cannot answer the bell. There's a big difference between a running quarterback, and a quarterback who can run. Lamar Jackson and The Ravens ran 88 plays and put up 12 points. Jackson attempted 59 passes, only threw one touchdown, but also threw two picks and lost a fumble. 12 points on 59 pass attempts should tell you all you need to know about Lamar as a QB when the lights are the brightest. Nobody would bat an eye if before the game, soneone told us Pat would put the ball up 59 times. Matter of fact, id be pretty excited to see how many points and yards he would put up in that span of plays. When things got bad for both QBs, you saw the odds on favorite to win the MVP this year get visible frustrated, press, and ultimately fold. He was nowhere to be seen trying to work out what was happening, rallying his team, he simply pouted on the sideline as his team fell further behind. The reigning MVP had literally no quit. Its one thing to say after the fact, that we had faith all along, its quite another for that to be true. Down 24, think about that for a moment. 24. Mahomes is captured, in that moment on the sideline saying we have everything we want. Everyones already counted us the **** out, so go do something special. Then, to walk the walk after talking the talk, leading the team to 7 straight touchdowns and 8 scoring drives, throwing 5 touchdown passes, and displaying a fiery emotion that if you dont feel anything when you see this kid going nuts after a huge play, call the coroner, because youre already dead. The two qbs could not be further apart. Jackson cannot hold Mahomes jock when it comes to putting the team on his back. Lamar should consider signing with KC as a running back. Its the only way barring injury to Mahomes, that hes ever getting a ring. Mahomes is the MVP. Its not even close. Lamar is a running back executing the halfback pass play about 20-25 times a game. Jacksons first two years have ended with dud playoff performances. Mahomes first two years as a starter sees his team hosting back to back AFC title games for a frachise that in its entire history never hosted a single one before he arrived. Last edited by Wallcrawler; 01-16-2020 at 10:50 AM..
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $1104064	Lamar isn't Mahomes, but that's ok. He's still a young exciting player. People kind of forget, he's only 23. He's got time to develop. I don't think guys can develop accuracy, I think it's an either or, but we will see how it goes for him. He won't ever be Drew Brees, but if he can get it up a tick or so, he'll be fine. It's ok that he's not Mahomes. He seems like a good kid and wants to improve.
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