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[O.city]

He's done it 1 time. It's hilarious that Bronco fans can't figure out they got played for a boatload of money.

[ThrobProng]

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

He out-recruited Mike Shanahan for Tony Romo and attempted to trade for Romo, who was still a backup at the time, after taking the Saints job.

Then he decided to sign Drew Brees instead of using the #2 overall pick on Vince Young, Matt Leinart, or Jay Cutler.

Not only does Sean Payton know QBs, he knows how to get the most out of them as well:

Spoiler!

Drew Brees' stats pre and post-Payton (4 years each, I didn't count his rookie year):

Starts: 58 (64)
Comp/Att: 1,110/1,782 (62%) (1,572/2,355 (66%))
Yards: 12,127 (18,298)
Yards Per Game: 209 (285)
Yards Per Att: 6.8 (7.7)
TD's: 79 (122)
TD's Per Game: 1.36 (1.9)
INT's : 53 (57)
INT's Per Game: .91 (.89)
QB Rating: 84 (97)

He did nothing with Russell Wilson.

[RunKC]

Hilarious how Knowmo blows Sean Payton for finding Tony Romo despite him not being the HC or GM but hand waves Veach finding Mahomes despite him not being the HC or GM, even with Andy, Albert Breer and Mahomes own agent confirming that it was Veach the whole time

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Hilarious how Knowmo blows Sean Payton for finding Tony Romo despite him not being the HC or GM but hand waves Veach finding Mahomes despite him not being the HC or GM, even with Andy, Albert Breer and Mahomes own agent confirming that it was Veach the whole time

I knew it was a matter of time before he brought up Romo and his hypocrisy would be on full display.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by ThrobProng

He did nothing with Russell Wilson.

Sorry, but that's just inaccurate:

Russell w/Payton improved in most of the categories that matter.


Completion% went from 60.5/66.4
TDs/INTs went from 16/11 to 26/8
TDs% from 3.3/5.8
INT% from 2.3/1.8
Success% from 36.2/43.3
Passer Rating from 84.4/98.0
QBR from 38.7/50.7


And just FYI, he did the same thing for Brees. Brees had a rocky start to his career in SD, but eventually showed his potential in year 4 of his career, followed by another decent season in year 5, though his Passer Rating, TD%, Y/A all fell off some, while his INT% rose from 1.8 to 3.0.

With Payton, well the numbers speak for themselves, but the short version is that Brees was consistently one of the most efficient QBs of all time.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Oregon coach Dan Lanning, Kansas City native, on Bo Nix being drafted by #Broncos: “I immediately had nightmare thoughts of John Elway. I’m a Chiefs fan."

— Chris Tomasson (@christomasson) May 9, 2024

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

Oregon coach Dan Lanning, Kansas City native, on Bo Nix being drafted by #Broncos: “I immediately had nightmare thoughts of John Elway. I’m a Chiefs fan."

— Chris Tomasson (@christomasson) May 9, 2024

A less athletic John Elway that throws the majority of his passes behind the line of scrimmage? Sounds scary.

[ThrobProng]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Sorry, but that's just inaccurate:

Russell w/Payton improved in most of the categories that matter.


Completion% went from 60.5/66.4
TDs/INTs went from 16/11 to 26/8
TDs% from 3.3/5.8
INT% from 2.3/1.8
Success% from 36.2/43.3
Passer Rating from 84.4/98.0
QBR from 38.7/50.7


And just FYI, he did the same thing for Brees. Brees had a rocky start to his career in SD, but eventually showed his potential in year 4 of his career, followed by another decent season in year 5, though his Passer Rating, TD%, Y/A all fell off some, while his INT% rose from 1.8 to 3.0.

With Payton, well the numbers speak for themselves, but the short version is that Brees was consistently one of the most efficient QBs of all time.

So he improved from god-awful shit to regular awful shit. Payton must be a genius.

[ptlyon]

The same John Elway that cried like a bitch that Arrowhead was too loud?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

Oregon coach Dan Lanning, Kansas City native, on Bo Nix being drafted by #Broncos: “I immediately had nightmare thoughts of John Elway. I’m a Chiefs fan."

— Chris Tomasson (@christomasson) May 9, 2024

You mean to tell me his college HC said this? Shocker! God you're pathetic.

Care to address your blatant hypocrisy with Veach/Mahomes and Payton/Romo, dipshit?

[ptlyon]

BTW Chris looks like a bundle of sticks

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

From Breer’s mailbag:

From CHStormTracker (@CHSStormTracker): Are the Broncos, Sean Payton in particular, really as sold on Bo Nix as they claim to be? Or is this all a show, and they just took the QB they had to take because the Falcons took Penix?

Spoiler!

No, Storm. They had Nix as third among the quarterbacks. They would’ve taken him over Drake Maye, J.J. McCarthy and Michael Penix Jr. And since it’s Payton making this call, I think it really is worth paying attention to.

Payton saw in Nix an efficient quarterback who played faster, and more mistake-free, than any other quarterback in the class. The Denver Broncos also saw, after witnessing him in person, a physically sturdier player—with big hands and a big lower half—than some made him out to be and with a stronger arm than most thought.

We’ll see, of course, whether Payton is right. But I wouldn’t doubt his conviction.

(Or his ability to evaluate quarterbacks.)

https://www.si.com/nfl/nfl-headlines...s-01hxctcvg9e4

If you don't buy the stories about Veach pounding the table for Mahomes, why do you buy this?

Assuming it's true, how has Payton given us any reason to think he's better than anyone else at spotting QB talent?

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

Paton had a terrible offseason in 2022, but only rival fans were criticizing the moves he made at the time. The vast majority of people would've made the exact same decision if they were in Denver's situation. The Broncos had three choices:

1. Stick with Drew Lock
2. Draft Kenny Picket
3. Take a swing at one of the two 9x Pro Bowl QBs who were rumored to be available.

I don't like the result of the Russ trade, but the decision made perfect sense at the time, and in the end, it might've been the best thing that ever happened because it led us to Sean Payton and Bo Nix.

I forgot that Paton also has the Nat Hackett hire on his resume

Thanks for reminding me!

[JohnnyHammersticks]

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

Veach's first pick in every draft:

Breeland Speaks - Legitimately awful
Mecole Hardman - Under-performed, product of the system, did nothing in NY
CEH- Bust. Six Pro Bowlers were selected in the following 21 picks.
Nick Bolton - Hit
McDuffie - Hit
Felix Anudike-Uzomah - I hate to label anyone a bust after their rookie season, but the Chiefs had him inactive for the playoffs and gave him 10 or fewer snaps in every game after week 5, except for week 18 where they rested their starters.

A 2/6 hit rate on the highest picks in each draft doesn't seem very impressive.

Meanwhile, despite missing three first round picks and three second round picks, the General's troops still managed to execute a perfect pincer movement to bring down Mahitler at the Battle of Mile High.

pic.twitter.com/SLelTfMSue

— @ (@Denclips) October 31, 2023

Veach has found more high-quality starters since 2018 in rounds 4-7 than Paton has found in all rounds during in his entire laughable tenure in Donkville. Might be why we've won 3 Super Bowls during that time and you losers haven't even sniffed a Wild Card playoff game.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by ThrobProng

So he improved from god-awful shit to regular awful shit. Payton must be a genius.

Maybe. Facts are facts though, and the facts are quite simply that Payton took a QB that most considered completely washed and was statistically the worst QB in the league the previous season, and made him serviceable. In fact, those improvements are comparable to his better seasons in SEA.