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I don't think many would disagree that Elway was up there in terms of talent/arm strength. But in terms of production? He just wasn't consistently there with the other top QBs. And if he wasn't as productive/efficient as several others in his era, I don't think it makes sense to automatically rank him higher than greats from other eras, including the thousands of QBs you've never even seen play. There are a ton of wildly talented QBs who aren't high on a lot of people's all-time lists for one reason or another. Vick was insanely talented, but various circumstances kept him from having a long and productive career. Same w/ Randall Cunningham. Marino probably had top 5 all time talent but few rank him there because he didn't win a SB. Otto Graham isn't high on a lot of people's lists because they didn't see him play, but he dominated his era like no QB ever has. Unitas was putting up better numbers than Elway in the 50s and won several championships. Elway had more physical talent than Tom Brady or Montana, but not near the production. How do you sort sit it all out? Elway's not the only QB who wasn't always in the perfect situation. And on the flipside, few QBs in history have had it as good as Elway in his last several seasons. A lot of QBs could have won SBs on those teams. And having a conservative coach shouldn't cause a QB to throw way more INTs than his peers. |
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Denvers draft is why they're so awful. They pass on a true blue chip players like Bowers, Latu, Turner, Worthy for a mid QB. Sean Payton doesn't understand value, he's an ego manic. Nix is gonna get destroyed in this division.
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Boy all these stories about how his teammates kind of hated his guts...
Russ and now this? Maybe Horseface had it right. Just pick as inoffensive a QB as possible as long as he can run a huddle and work for cheap |
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There's usually a big difference between how fans react to draft picks when they're made and how they react to them later. Here's how some Bronco fans reacted when the pick was made:
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Lots of fans hate the picks until later.. there were KC fans that hated the Mahomes pick. That quickly changed, I’m sure.
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The reason I posted the video was because we've been talking about Nix and his prospects as a #1 QB. It seems pretty clear that he was a reach at #12 so, personally speaking, I think he's more likely to be a bust than a franchise QB. I think the Bronco fans with high expectations are trying to convince themselves of high prospects more than they are trying to convince us.
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Link to any of these? Googled because this sounds like fun but I'm not finding anything.
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Bo Nix? No. I can give you article after article that say just the opposite.
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Saw a post in this thread about it? Not sure. Is that speculative? Sure, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make for the team!
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We're not really looking for proof. I'm happy to enjoy the allegations.
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