Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 478

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

**gblowfish** · 07-16-2013, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

By the way Hosmer and Moose are at the Lake of the Ozarks right now.
Posted via Mobile Device

"Hey Moose, life jackets are optional...."

Raiderhater · 07-16-2013, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish

"Hey Moose, life jackets are optional...."

You are in rare form tonight.

**Shogun** · 07-16-2013, 09:38 PM

George you're killing it tonight

GloryDayz · 07-17-2013, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish

"Hey Moose, life jackets are optional...."

I found something he can use. While not a Coast Guard-approved life vest, it'll work for the intended purpose.

sedated · 07-17-2013, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Did they really boo him (Cano) again? How bad?

I heard someone mention it in post-game (I didn't watch the HR derby), but they didn't go into detail. Something like "for the 2nd year in a row, Cano was booed". I was shocked that they didn't say more about it, considering the bashing KC fans took last year when it happened. I even did a google search, the only results were articles about last year.

Of course last year we all said "if that happened in Boston or NY, no one would say anything about it". Turns out that was exactly the case.

duncan_idaho · 07-17-2013, 08:29 PM

Royals get the No. 5 pick in the competitive balance lottery. If they hold on to Santana all season and get a competitive balance pick, they will have three picks in the top 35 and likely 4 in the top 45 or so. Right now, they'd have the 12th pick in the draft. Would work out something like this:

No. 12
No. 28-32 (Santana comp. pick - depending on how many teams sign Type A FA)
No. 37 (competitive balance)
No. 50 (second round pick)

GloryDayz · 07-17-2013, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sedated

I heard someone mention it in post-game (I didn't watch the HR derby), but they didn't go into detail. Something like "for the 2nd year in a row, Cano was booed". I was shocked that they didn't say more about it, considering the bashing KC fans took last year when it happened. I even did a google search, the only results were articles about last year.

Of course last year we all said "if that happened in Boston or NY, no one would say anything about it". Turns out that was exactly the case.

You know what it's about????? Dalla signs!

Prison Bitch · 07-17-2013, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish

"Hey Moose, life jackets are optional...."

"From what I hear, you couldn't hit water if you fell outta a f---- boat." - crash Davis

Deberg_1990 · 07-17-2013, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Royals get the No. 5 pick in the competitive balance lottery. If they hold on to Santana all season and get a competitive balance pick, they will have three picks in the top 35 and likely 4 in the top 45 or so. Right now, they'd have the 12th pick in the draft. Would work out something like this:

No. 12
No. 28-32 (Santana comp. pick - depending on how many teams sign Type A FA)
No. 37 (competitive balance)
No. 50 (second round pick)

Busts

BlackHelicopters · 07-18-2013, 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish

"Hey Moose, life jackets are optional...."

Alcohol and no life jacket. Perfect.

BlackHelicopters · 07-18-2013, 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

"From what I hear, you couldn't hit water if you fell outta a f---- boat." - crash Davis

" Women get weary"

BlackHelicopters · 07-18-2013, 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Royals get the No. 5 pick in the competitive balance lottery. If they hold on to Santana all season and get a competitive balance pick, they will have three picks in the top 35 and likely 4 in the top 45 or so. Right now, they'd have the 12th pick in the draft. Would work out something like this:

No. 12
No. 28-32 (Santana comp. pick - depending on how many teams sign Type A FA)
No. 37 (competitive balance)
No. 50 (second round pick)

Our player development department will turn these picks into perrinnial (sp?) All Stars.

duncan_idaho · 07-18-2013, 07:33 AM

I hate people who get the words wrong...

BTW, the competitive balance pick is tradeable. So if they DO move Santana at the deadline and the team they're trading with is leery about including what KC wants because it doesn't receive compensation back if Santana walks at year's end, the balance pick could be included to sweeten the pot.

It's an interesting idea that no one has really pulled off yet. But it would be the equivalent of trading Santana and a Top 75-100 prospect, which should return a pretty good haul.

Prison Bitch · 07-18-2013, 08:19 AM

To my knowledge the Royals have never made 1 good trade deadline deal. So I'll assume they won't this year either.

duncan_idaho · 07-18-2013, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

To my knowledge the Royals have never made 1 good trade deadline deal. So I'll assume they won't this year either.

Rick Ankiel/Kyle Farnsworth for Tim Collins (other pieces don't matter) was pretty solid, even though Collins has struggled this year.

Jon Broxton for Donnie Joseph is going to pay off as well.

Santana is also - by far - the best piece the Royals have moved at the deadline.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1879692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1879692	Royals get the No. 5 pick in the competitive balance lottery. If they hold on to Santana all season and get a competitive balance pick, they will have three picks in the top 35 and likely 4 in the top 45 or so. Right now, they'd have the 12th pick in the draft. Would work out something like this: No. 12 No. 28-32 (Santana comp. pick - depending on how many teams sign Type A FA) No. 37 (competitive balance) No. 50 (second round pick) __________________ "You gotta love livin', cause dying is a pain in the ass." ---- Sinatra
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duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1879692	I hate people who get the words wrong... BTW, the competitive balance pick is tradeable. So if they DO move Santana at the deadline and the team they're trading with is leery about including what KC wants because it doesn't receive compensation back if Santana walks at year's end, the balance pick could be included to sweeten the pot. It's an interesting idea that no one has really pulled off yet. But it would be the equivalent of trading Santana and a Top 75-100 prospect, which should return a pretty good haul. __________________ "You gotta love livin', cause dying is a pain in the ass." ---- Sinatra
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