New Conference re-alignment thread

[Saulbadguy]

The old one has AIDS.

Anyways, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com reports OU may apply to the Pac-12 by the end of the month.

Oklahoma will apply for membership to the Pac-12 before the end of the month, and Oklahoma State is expected to follow suit, a source close to OU's administration told Orangebloods.com.

Even though Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday the Pac-12 was not interested in expansion at this time, OU's board of regents is fed up with the instability in the Big 12, the source said.

The OU board of regents will meet within two weeks to formalize plans to apply for membership to the Pac-12, the source said.

Messages left Sunday night with OU athletic director Joe Castiglione and Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder were not immediately returned.

If OU follows through with what appears to be a unanimous sentiment on the seven-member Oklahoma board of regents to leave the Big 12, realignment in college athletics could be heating back up. OU's application would be matched by an application from Oklahoma State, the source said, even though OSU president Burns Hargis and mega-booster Boone Pickens both voiced their support for the Big 12 last Thursday.

There is differing sentiment about if the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors are ready to expand again after bringing in Colorado and Utah last year and landing $3 billion TV contracts from Fox and ESPN. Colorado president Bruce Benson told reporters last week CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12.

Currently, there are north and south divisions in the Pac-12. If OU and OSU were to join, Larry Scott would have to get creative.

Scott's orginal plan last summer was to bring in Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and put them in an eastern division with Arizona and Arizona State. The old Pac-8 schools (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) were to be in the west division.

Colorado made the move in June 2010, but when Texas A&M was not on board to go west, the Big 12 came back together with the help of its television partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox).

If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were accepted into the Pac-12, there would undoubtedly be a hope by Larry Scott that Texas would join the league. But Texas sources have indicated UT is determined to hang onto the Longhorn Network, which would not be permissible in the Pac-12 in its current form.

Texas sources continue to indicate to Orangebloods.com that if the Big 12 falls apart, the Longhorns would consider "all options."

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call 10 days ago with league presidents excluding Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M and asked the other league presidents to "work on Texas" because Beebe didn't think the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma without Texas.

Now, it appears OU is willing to take its chances with the Pac-12 with or without Texas.

There seemed to be a temporary pause in any possible shifting of the college athletics' landscape when Baylor led a charge to tie up Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference in legal red tape. BU refused to waive its right to sue the SEC over A&M's departure from the Big 12, and the SEC said it would not admit Texas A&M until it had been cleared of any potential lawsuits.

Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State have indicated they will not waive their right to sue the SEC.

It's unclear if an application by OU to the Pac-12 would draw the same threats of litigation against the Pac-12 from those Big 12 schools.

Stay tuned.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by notorious

Yep, the smaller towns have to pay for the service.

That makes it doable. I used to travel that territory a lot, when Air-MidWest had all those towns. Holy crap, Wichita to Garden City was incredible, like $900 round trip or something like that.

I just drove about 45k a year instead.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Stewie

You're way out of the loop and it's obvious.

You're correct - all I know about aircraft is that they take me places I need to be. In fact, I have no knowledge of the airline industry whatsoever.

{breaks down sobbing}

Then again, I'm not the one jerking myself off over irrelevant tangents to the thread, so I'm not exactly heartbroken over this sad truth.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I was coming home from KDWH the other night and it was all I could do to say awake...

Auto pilot was on, passengers were asleep, if it wasnt for diverting into KADS for weather, I would of been in a coma...

Props were sync'd just right, nice quiet radio....... ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

The worst for me is when the sun comes up. I just want to go into sleepy land.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Then again, I'm not the one jerking myself off over irrelevant tangents to the thread, .

Isn't Mizzou an irrelevant tangent? (runs and hides)


I Kid, I kid.

[Stewie]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'm sorry, but your occupation is wholly irrelevant to this thread.

But I'm excited to see that you've found a way to contribute because your football and/or conference realignment takes thus far have been really, truly terrible.

Is there anything else we could talk about that might make you more useful? We're all-inclusive here on CP and I hate to see anyone left out. How about the merits of Chicken vs. Fish during intercontinental travel? Would that give you a semi?

Sorry that you spent so much time on my posts. MU belongs in the hillbilly conference. It's been quite apparent that when the Big 10 snubbed MU and Texas was a big bully that the tiggers would tuck tail and run. Now you can get a major in whittlin' and rockin'!

[KC native]

Originally Posted by notorious

I think that they will compete, but beating the big teams week in and week out is a whole different ball game.


BTW, I am happy as hell to have TCU in the 12. :thumbsup:

Yes, we will compete and have a really good year here and there. Patterson is a great coach and recruiter. I'd much rather have 2-4 loss seasons in the Big 12 as opposed to going undefeated or nearly undefeated in the Mountain West.

[KC native]

Originally Posted by Jerm

You beat Wisconsin...stop it.

and Oklahoma, and just about every other Big 12 team we've faced. Just admit it, you don't know jack shit about our program.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by KC native

Yes, we will compete and have a really good year here and there. Patterson is a great coach and recruiter. I'd much rather have 2-4 loss seasons in the Big 12 as opposed to going undefeated or nearly undefeated in the Mountain West.

Uh-Oh, you just reinforced Mizzou's stance.


BTW, Patterson should be a Wildcat.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Stewie

Sorry that you spent so much time on my posts. MU belongs in the hillbilly conference. It's been quite apparent that when the Big 10 snubbed MU and Texas was a big bully that the tiggers would tuck tail and run. Now you can get a major in whittlin' and rockin'!

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Stewie

Sorry that you spent so much time on my posts. MU belongs in the hillbilly conference. It's been quite apparent that when the Big 10 snubbed MU and Texas was a big bully that the tiggers would tuck tail and run. Now you can get a major in whittlin' and rockin'!

And the circle completes itself.

How could I have been so foolish? Of course the airline chatter was just a way to lure me into your fiendish trap.

How could I have walked into the "The SEC is full of Hillbillies" slam, so deviously disguised behind the meandering prattling on of a vacuous shitheel?

I have brought shame on my house.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by notorious

Isn't Mizzou an irrelevant tangent? (runs and hides)


I Kid, I kid.

(Nicely done; not as good as "Ballsack?", but nicely done nontheless)

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by notorious

The worst for me is when the sun comes up. I just want to go into sleepy land.

the worse for us is spring break when we are chasing the sun to CO in the evening on our 9th hour of flight of the day...

Knowing once you get your Pax's to Eagle or Grand Junction, you still have that 2 hour flight home...

[KC native]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

TCU is not going to out-recruit Texas A&M in Texas. Not on a consistent basis. This is a great move for the Horned Frogs, who are going to recruit better in Texas now, but if you follow Texas recruiting closely, you'd know that Texas A&M is the favorite for any kid who doesn't pick OU or UT.

More money. More tradition. Better facilities.

Where TCU is going to do better is recruiting against the likes of oSu and Baylor and Texas Tech and Missouri and Arkansas and LSU. They'll win more of those battles (though they've won a lot of them, regardless).

I won't argue that there won't be kids from Texas that choose someone else over Missouri. But I will argue that it's being vastly overstated. Also, Missouri will have much better secondary recruiting areas after Missouri/Texas (LA, FLA, GA), which it will have to use to make up the gap).

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

They could, actually.

TCU is right there in Dallas; it's in a great spot. It won't start out-recruiting A&M over night, but as the rivalry between the Aggies and Longhorns starts to diminish (and it will; as will MU/KU), the kids that get turned down by UT won't be so eager to go to A&M and 'show them what they missed'.

In fact, TCU could end up that destination school.

TCU has made a HUGE move to get into the IIX. I think they're absolutely poised to become a viable replacement for A&M in Texas. They'll likely never come as close to a national championship as they did last season (really just one or two breaks and they're in that title game), but they'll have better teams and a better program (hmmmm...sound familiar?)

And yeah, they'll make recruiting Texas a little bit harder for the folks that already did well down there.

Good thing we're going to have some new recruiting grounds to sniff around in

TCU has been making tremendous improvements in recruiting prior to the Big 12 move. That's only going to get better.

Patterson has been an expert at going to top recruits and saying, "You could go to UT and be maybe 3rd, 4th on the depth chart and who knows who'll they'll get next year. Or, you can come to TCU and compete to start from your first year."

[|Zach|]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So by all means, enlighten us.

Rivals says they've done a fantastic job this season in recruiting. You clearly have some keen insight to suggest otherwise.

So please, good sir, show us all just how badly damaged A&M has been by this whole thing.

You are an absolute joke.

Did Stewie ever drop these of nuggets of wisdom. I did some serious skimming.

[KC native]

Originally Posted by notorious

Uh-Oh, you just reinforced Mizzou's stance.


BTW, Patterson should be a Wildcat.

I have no problem with Mizzou bolting. It would have been nice if they would have stayed because I have a lot of friends back home that I would have enjoyed talking trash to.

But, Patterson isn't going anywhere. He's getting $3 million a year at TCU and whatever he wants from boosters. Plus, his wife is from Fort Worth. So Patterson is staying. I'm actually happy about the move because that will kill those Patterson to K State rumors that come up every couple of years.