****Our Wide Receivers Suck- Official Thread****

[Sofa King]

They can’t get open, they drop passes in their hands, their jet sweeps are slow and terrible. These guys are not good.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by blake5676

100% on board with this. Championships are forever. Bust rates of draft picks, albeit not what the prospect bust rate is in baseball, is a 50/50 proposition.

And we get Toney for another few years so whatever extra production may come is just an added bonus.

Anybody regret getting Cueto and Zobrist back in 2015? Pretty sure we traded a bunch of lefty farm arms that felt somewhat painful at the time but didn't amount to shit in the long run. Same thinking here...the cliche "Flags Fly Forever" is absolutely true.

I'm not sure the success rate is THAT high. See: Patriot's 2022 draft.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

What? We all agree the offense is not as good as last year. The only real changes were really EB and JuJu, and we upgraded our tackles. These changes were addressed and nobody is throwing anyone "under a bus" other than the anti-WR crowd. Nagy is good, Rashee Rice is good, and the tackles are better than what we had last year but it takes time to mesh. Mahomes, the coaches and the players are mid season and we are seeing some improvement and I expect that to continue. This has been any rational persons stance since the beginning.

"Nobody" is being thrown under the bus except that people are saying nagy sucks and are claiming WRs are flying open everywhere but mahomes is missing them. Of course these guys need to be better but a lot of it is casually deflecting blame. Obviously there is more going on than just replacing juju. Defenses adapted to us and arguably we doubled down on the same strategy which is to have WRs create after they get the ball. When we ignore that mahomes and Reid are putting round pegs in square holes and insist that our WRs are fine that is shouldering all the blame on everyone else. If we insist that last year is the baseline then the onku explanation is that mahomes and Reid are making it worse. So yeah some of us think we should just call a spade a spade to just admit whar we have in the wr room and accept that in the short term we just need to ask our other guys to do a little extra and grind through it

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by O.city

I kinda think they've gone this route though recently right?

Rice, MVS, and Watson have been the majority of the snaps. I don't have a clue what's going with Toney, in my opinion he should be up there as well.

MVS and Watson should never be played together though. No, I'm not smarter than Reid/Nagy, but it's pretty damn obvious that Watson and MVS are pretty much the same guy and having those both see starting reps at the same time isn't going to lead to a good outcome most of the time, it's wasted reps.

The top 3 should be Rice, Watson, and probably Toney.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

It won't be, outside of maybe MVS. Guys on rookie contracts will be back, as they should be.

Probably will, dunno if it should be.

[O.city]

Again....when the QB is making what he's making, there's only so much to go around.

They didn't prioritize what some wanted and those guys are making victory laps that the organization made the wrong decisions, when teh same organization is sitting at 7-2 and currently has the 1 seed in the AFC and a bye.

If they were gonna prioritize weapons, they shouldn't have traded the best weapon in the league. They did and went a different direction. Is the WR room an elite unit? **** no.

Is it good enough? I'd argue yes, if the QB plays like we've seen him in the past.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by O.city

Probably will, dunno if it should be.

Absolutely should be, given the importance of such cost-controlled assets. As others have noted, "Again....when the QB is making what he's making, there's only so much to go around."

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Absolutely should be, given the importance of such cost-controlled assets. As others have noted, "Again....when the QB is making what he's making, there's only so much to go around."

Cost controlled does no good when they suck.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

You are spoiled.

I'll trade a 3rd/6th every time its possible if that player makes a game changing momentum play in the SB and we win another SB.

How was it game changing? Chiefs had already taken the lead by that point and were doing whatever they wanted offensively. They would have scored with or without that return.

You can say it was a big play and you're happy about it without trying to make it seem like some pivotal play that would have lost us the game if it didn't happen.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by -King-

How was it game changing? Chiefs had already taken the lead by that point and were doing whatever they wanted offensively. They would have scored with or without that return.

You can say it was a big play and you're happy about it without trying to make it seem like some pivotal play that would have lost us the game if it didn't happen.

There's absolutely no guarantee that the Chiefs win without it, and it was the biggest PR in SB history.

You could say the Chiefs might not have needed it, but no need to downplay how big of a play it was, or to just assume they win without it. It was a ****ing 1 point game.

[Chris Meck]

Guys, the problem with the OP and many trumpeting that line of thought is that it is overly simplistic to the point of being inaccurate.

We're seeing lots of things happening. It's a little bit inconsistency from the WR's, it's a little bit Mahomes, it's a little bit bizarre play calling - it's several things creating an inconsistent offense.

Look at the scripted 15 in Germany. That's what this offense is capable of, when everyone is doing their jobs correctly.

Script or no, if talent is the problem, those two TD drives don't look like that.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

The Chiefs are probably flying a Super Bowl banner because of Toney's punt return.

So perhaps they didn't make a mistake and will fly a banner.

We may not have been in the SB without Skyy's punt return against the Bungles.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Guys, the problem with the OP and many trumpeting that line of thought is that it is overly simplistic to the point of being inaccurate.

We're seeing lots of things happening. It's a little bit inconsistency from the WR's, it's a little bit Mahomes, it's a little bit bizarre play calling - it's several things creating an inconsistent offense.

Look at the scripted 15 in Germany. That's what this offense is capable of, when everyone is doing their jobs correctly.

Script or no, if talent is the problem, those two TD drives don't look like that.

Eh, even no talent shit teams can score on script.

Once you're off, the lack of talent would show more.

I'd love to have more talent at WR for sure. But sometimes, shit just doesn't work out. If this doesn't, they'll pivot.

[MahomesMagic]

There are only so many plays you can run that are scripted for a reason.

You can't run money plays all game because there are only so many of them.


The WR's need to make plays even when they aren't getting schemed wide open. If you could just script plays to get scrubs open all game no NFL team would pay WR's.


But that hasn't happened yet so stop pretending it can work all game.

[O.city]

Andy's done that his whole career.

Most guys are schemed open.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by O.city

Andy's done that his whole career.

Most guys are schemed open.

Not with these guys.

26th in the NFL EPA when Mahomes is throwing to his WR's.