Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs

[Rain Man]

The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.



Original post: You can ignore this now.

Spoiler!

Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.

The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.

Here's how the game will work.

Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)


Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.

Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".

Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.

Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.

Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs

If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.

There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.

I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.

So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.


Teams As Of Post #113:


Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259)

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.)

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.)

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Cardinals waived OG Dorian Johnson.

Johnson was a highly ranked prospect who fell to the fourth round of this year's draft simply because of medical concerns, so it is surprising to see him on the cut list. The Cardinals likely hope he will slip through waivers and to their practice squad.

Stashed on practice squad. This ****s me pretty hard. Now I might have to accept the Chiefs trade for Cam Erving... Yuck.

Not the only one I took it up the ass on this week. Chargers waived Josh Perry then put him on IR after he cleared waivers and the Browns cut Rashard Higgins after they made 5 waiver claims.

I might have 3 roster slots taken up by guys on IR already (Perry, Nelson, Ware) and I'm waiting to make a decision at WR until I see if Higgins gets picked up. If he isn't by Wednesday night and decide to hang onto him, I could be saving a roster spot for nothing... grrr.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by kccrow

What do we do about the recent trades? Can we accept them or deny them?



Also want to clarify that we only lose FA's and not guys the Chiefs decide to waive (for instance if we had Maclin and Howard and wish to continue to retain them, can we).

If you have a guy on your roster who was traded, you can accept or reject the trade.

And yes, you only lose free agents who leave the Chiefs. You can keep Maclin or Howard if you want, or anyone else who was outright cut. You only lose people if they leave in free agency.

The latter gives you a long-term incentive to not draft Chiefs, since for convenience you won't lose a non-Chief if he leaves his drafted team. It would be nice if we lost anyone who moved via free agency, but early on we were worried that it would be hard to track everyone. So it's a bit of an advantage to us compared to real NFL GM's, but we also face some disadvantages too, in that we can't force our guy into the lineup.

[Rain Man]

Man, I thought Dorian Johnson was going to help me, and not only is he a practice squadder, but the Vikings cut Alex Boone at my other guard position.

The funny thing is that I needed a guard and center last year, so I drafted Cody Whitehair at guard and Evan Boehm at center. Whitehair moved to center and is starting, and Boehm was recently moved to guard and is now starting. So that worked out. And Boehm is starting at the spot where Dorian Johnson is competing, so I've got that going for me.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

If you have a guy on your roster who was traded, you can accept or reject the trade.

And yes, you only lose free agents who leave the Chiefs. You can keep Maclin or Howard if you want, or anyone else who was outright cut. You only lose people if they leave in free agency.

The latter gives you a long-term incentive to not draft Chiefs, since for convenience you won't lose a non-Chief if he leaves his drafted team. It would be nice if we lost anyone who moved via free agency, but early on we were worried that it would be hard to track everyone. So it's a bit of an advantage to us compared to real NFL GM's, but we also face some disadvantages too, in that we can't force our guy into the lineup.

Are we allowed to accept the trades for Ragland and Erving with the picks given up for them? Or are we basically just kind of screwed.

We don't get the luxury of adding free agents/waivers or trading for players like NFL GMs, so at least being able to accept traded for players would be nice.

Very important in my roster development.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Are we allowed to accept the trades for Ragland and Erving with the picks given up for them? Or are we basically just kind of screwed.

We don't get the luxury of adding free agents/waivers or trading for players like NFL GMs, so at least being able to accept traded for players would be nice.

Very important in my roster development.

You can accept those trades if you possess the exact thing that was traded (draft pick or player). We'll just go on the honor system to remember in the upcoming drafts if we made the trades or not.

[Rain Man]

Ha. The Cardinals just signed Alex Boone. I now have three Arizona guards on my roster. I'm at least guaranteed to have at least one starter out of that group.

[Rain Man]

Here are the trades.

If you've never cut David King, you can accept the trade with the Titans for a conditional 2018 7th round pick. Your other option is to reject the trade and make him one of your 53.

You can trade a conditional 5th round pick in 2018 for Cameron Erving, or you can reject the trade.

You can trade a conditional 4th round pick in 2019 for Reggie Ragland, or you can reject the trade.

If DJ Alexander is on your current training camp roster, you can trade him for Kevin Pierre-Louis. Alternately, you can reject the trade and keep Alexander on your roster or cut him.


Your final 53 can include any of the following:

Players traded for (within the rules above).
Players on the current Chiefs roster that you've never cut, excluding players the Chiefs drafted (and you didn't) and players the Chiefs traded for (and you didn't).
Players who were waived by the Chiefs since the Super Bowl, as long as you've never cut that player from your team.

You cannot include players that left the Chiefs via free agency, or any player that you've ever cut from your team, unless the Chiefs also waived them and then brought them back.

I think I've got that all correct.

The easier way to put it is that you can keep...

Players who were on the roster when you started playing, as long as you've never cut them.
Players you've drafted.
Free agents signed by the Chiefs since your last roster cutdown.
Traded players if you accepted the trade.

[Rain Man]

I'm pretty pleased with my team coming into the year, because I had to cut several players that I wish I could keep.

First off, the trades.

David King is not on our roster, so his trade is void.

We reject the trade of a conditional 5th round pick in 2018 for Cameron Erving.

We will give up a conditional 4th round pick in 2019 for Reggie Ragland.

DJ Alexander is not on our roster, so there will be no trade for Kevin Pierre-Louis.

Here's my 53-man roster. Rookies are in red.

QB
Russell Wilson (Seahawks)
Brett Hundley (Packers)
Nathan Peterman (Bills)

Youth and talent here. I like this group.

RB
Alvin Kamara (Saints)
Samaje Perine (Redskins)
Jamaal Charles (former Chiefs)
C.J. Spiller. (Bills/Saints/Chiefs)

We're going young here as our workhorses, with a couple of veterans getting spot duty. Overall, I like this group even though it's unproven at the top.

WR
Jeremy Maclin (Chiefs/Ravens)
Donte Moncrief (Colts)
Kendall Wright (Titans/Bears)
Albert Wilson (Chiefs)
Malachi Dupre (Packers)

Not big names, but productive. Definitely a workable group if not stars.

TE
Travis Kelce (Chiefs)
Ben Koyack (Jaguars)
Anthony Fasano (Titans/Dolphins)

Kelce's a star, and the other two are reasonable backups. I'm fine here.

OT
Mitchell Schwartz (Browns/Chiefs)
Morgan Moses (Redskins)
Menelik Watson (Raiders/Broncos)
Corey Robinson (Lions)

Schwartz has to move to LT, but he can do it and Moses is strong at RT. This is a reasonable group. I've been trying for years to find a true LT, and it's hard to do.

G
Evan Boehm (Cardinals)
Alex Boone (49ers)
Christian Westerman (Bengals)
Dorian Johnson (Cardinals)

Boehm surprised and pleased me by moving to guard and winning the starting job, and Boone is a longtime starter who can fill the other spot. I've got two young guys at the backup roles who I hope will ascend. For some reason this has become a hard position to fill, but I'm ... okay, I guess. Maybe adequate.

C
Cody Whitehair (Bears )

Great shape here. Whitehair is a rising star.

K
Cairo Santos, K

Best in the league.

P
Dustin Colquitt

Best in the league.

LS
James Winchester

Best in the league.

FS
Jordan Poyer (Eagles/Browns/Bills)
Desmond King (Chargers)

Poyer is now a starter at FS for the Bills, and King is looking really good as a rookie. Not a standout group, but adequate.

SS
Reshad Jones (Dolphins)
Miles Killebrew (Lions)
Derron Smith (Bengals)

Jones is a star, and I've got two young backups. I'm good.

CB
Marcus Peters (Chiefs)
Steve Nelson (Chiefs)
Mitchell, Terrance (Chiefs)
Kendall Fuller (Redskins)
Kalan Reed (Titans)

We're strong and young here, I think. All of these players are ascending, and I've got one spot locked down with Peters.

OLB
AJ Klein (Panthers/Saints)
Taco Charlton (Cowboys)
Tamba Hali (Chiefs)
Ejuan Price (Rams)

Klein has emerged strong as a Saint. I'm transitioning to a 4-3, but this year Charlton will play as the primary pass rusher in a 3-4. He can do that well. Tamba is on his last hurrah and is hurt, and Price is a rookie backup.

ILB
Derrick Johnson (Chiefs)
Zach Brown (Titans)
Reggie Ragland (Chiefs)
Scooby Wright (Browns)

This unit could be good, but it's not stable. I'm relying on DJ to be back all year, and for Zach Brown to continue his resurgence. Ragland and Wright are speculative. I need my old veterans to come through.

DE
Star Lotulelei (Panthers)
Andrew Billings (Bengals)
Nate Orchard (Browns)
Michael Bennett (Jaguars)
Ifeadi Odenigbo (Vikings)

This is a makeshift group. I'm transitioning from a 3-4 to a 4-3 over time, but at the moment I'll stay in a 3-4 and move two defensive tackles out to the end spots. Orchard is moving from OLB and will be more valuable after my transition. It's not an ideal situation since they'll generate no pass rush.

NT
Brandon Williams (Ravens)
Bennie Logan (Chiefs)
Caleb Brantley (Browns)

I'm really deep here at NT because I'm building talent for my future transition to a 4-3. Right now, Williams will start as a top-notch NT with good depth behind him.

Aside from the camp fodder guys, here are our notable cuts.

Relatively easy cuts

Cyrus Kouandjio (Bills/Lions)
Damien Mama
Denard Robinson (Jaguars)
Devine Redding
Gehrig Dieter
Jah Reid
Justin March
Marcus Kemp
Marcus Rush
Nick Williams
Okine, Earl LB
Orson Charles
Person, Mike
Rey Maualuga (Bengals)
Rod Streater (Bills)
Stave, Joel
TJ Clemmings (Vikings/Redskins)

Kouandjio was a 2nd-round draft pick for me, so he kind of busted, but that's life. A few other guys are backups around the league.

Moderately difficult cuts
Daniel McCullers (Steelers)
Geno Smith (Jets)
Kenneth Acker
Nick Foles
Roy Miller (Chiefs)

These guys are all role players who could help a roster, but I didn't have room for them.

Toughest cuts
Harlan Miller (Cardinals)
Jarvis Jenkins (Chiefs)
Tyvon Branch (Cardinals)

Jenkins looked good last year, and I'm giving up on Miller early due to depth at the position. Tyvon Branch was my 54th player, but I have a very strong starter and two ascending backups. Age cost him his job.

[Rain Man]

I think next year I'm going to draft nothing but linebackers.

[kccrow]

To preface... I'm trading my 2019 4th for Reggie Ragland because I just need warm bodies at ILB. I had David King on my roster, so I'm trading him to TEN for the 7th rounder. Despite my need for an O-lineman, I'm going to roll with only 7 and decline trading for Cam Erving because I just don't see the value there. I can't trade for Kevin Pierre-Louis because I cut Alexander last season. Running trade tab noted.

2017 SUPERIOR YETIS ROSTER

Offense (QB 2, RB 4, FB 1, WR 7, TE 3, OL 7 = 24)
QB Alex Smith
QB Patrick Mahomes II (#1-10/17, KC)

RB Spencer Ware
RB Aaron Jones (#5-180/17, GB)
RB Christopher Carson (#7-245/17, SEA)
RB Charcandrick West

FB Anthony Sherman

WR Jeremy Maclin (BAL)
WR Chris Conley
WR Tyler Boyd (#2-37/16, CIN)
WR Stacy Coley (#6-218/17, MIN)
WR Albert Wilson
WR Rashard Higgins (#5-162/16, CLE-PS)
WR De'Anthony Thomas

TE Travis Kelce
TE Demetrius Harris
TE Ross Travis

OL Eric Fisher
OL Mitchell Schwartz
OL Laurent Duvernay-Tardif
OL Dorian Johnson (#3-104/17, ARZ-PS)
OL Connor McGovern (#4-126/16, DEN)
OL Mitch Morse
OL Zach Fulton

Defense (DL 5, OLB 5, ILB 5, DB 11 = 26)
DL Allen Bailey
DL Carlos Watkins (#4-132/17, HOU)
DL Jarvis Jenkins (FA/17, KC)
DL Rakeem Nunez-Roches
DL Bennie Logan (FA/17, KC)

OLB Justin Houston
OLB Tamba Hali
OLB Dee Ford
OLB Matt Judon (#4-129/16, BAL)
OLB/DL Tanoh Kpassagnon (#2-59/17, KC)

ILB Derrick Johnson
ILB Reggie Ragland (f/BUF 2019 4th)
ILB Joshua Perry (#4-99/16, IR-LAC)
ILB Blair Brown (#5-148/17, JAX)
ILB Justin March-Lillard (MIA)

DB Marcus Peters
DB Terrance Mitchell (FA/17)
DB Phillip Gaines
DB Steven Nelson (IR-KC)
DB D.J. White (#6-178/16, KC)
DB KeiVarae Russell (#3-74/16, CIN)
DB Kalan Reed (#7-250/16, TEN)
DB Kenneth Acker (f/SF 2018 7th)
DB Eric Berry
DB Ron Parker
DB Daniel Sorensen

Special Teams (3)
K Zane Gonzalez (#7-222/17, CLE)
P Dustin Colquitt
LS James Winchester


Traded Draft Picks (Running Tab)
2016 - CB Kenneth Acker f/SF 2018 7th
2017 - DL David King to TEN 2018 7th
2017 - LB Reggie Ragland f/BUF 2019 4th
2017 - Draft Trade f/BUF 2018 1st

2017 Cuts
K Cairo Santos
OL Fahn Cooper (#5-165/16, cut by IND)
ILB Sam Barrington (IR-BUF)
DL Jaye Howard (cut by CHI)
DL Nick Williams (cut by MIA)
DL Roy Miller (on roster)

2016 Cuts (for reference)
QB Tyler Bray (on roster)
OT Bryan Witzmann (on roster)
OT Jah Reid (cut by KC)
OLB Frank Zombo (on roster)
ILB D.J. Alexander (traded to SEA for Kevin Pierre-Louis)

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I think next year I'm going to draft nothing but linebackers.

I hear you. I'm okay at OLB with my pick of Judon last year. He'll start this season in Baltimore. I'll probably have to address depth again.

ILB is a nightmare for me. I'm hoping Blair Brown pans out and becomes a starter next season or I'm gonna be drafting ILBs high.

O-Line is abysmal for me as well at this point. McGovern still isn't starting, but at least he's on the active roster this year as the reserve C/G, and Johnson going to PS really hurts. Fahn Cooper already flamed out for me. I might have to go high next year at G.

No 1st round pick for me might mean I'm grasping at straws to fill in the holes.

[The Franchise]

Can we put players on the IR if they're on the IR in the real world?

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Can we put players on the IR if they're on the IR in the real world?

Nope. You get 53 players only. If someone's on real-life IR, you can keep them, but you have to give them a roster spot.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I hear you. I'm okay at OLB with my pick of Judon last year. He'll start this season in Baltimore. I'll probably have to address depth again.

ILB is a nightmare for me. I'm hoping Blair Brown pans out and becomes a starter next season or I'm gonna be drafting ILBs high.

O-Line is abysmal for me as well at this point. McGovern still isn't starting, but at least he's on the active roster this year as the reserve C/G, and Johnson going to PS really hurts. Fahn Cooper already flamed out for me. I might have to go high next year at G.

No 1st round pick for me might mean I'm grasping at straws to fill in the holes.

I don't know why, but some positions just seem hard to fill. One lesson I'm learning is that a lot of non-first-round left tackles end up at right tackle, and late-round linebackers seldom become starters.

[The Franchise]

1. Didn't have David King so that trade doesn't happen.
2. I accept the trade for Reggie Ragland.
3. I accept the trade of D.J. Alexander for Kevin Pierre-Louis.
4. I accept the trade for Cameron Erving.

Final Roster (53)

Offense (25)

QB
Alex Smith
Pat Mahomes II
Tyler Bray

RB
Spencer Ware
C.J. Spiller
Charcandrick West
Marlon Mack

FB
Anthony Sherman

WR
Jeremy Maclin
Chris Conley
Albert Wilson
De'Anthony Thomas
Seantavius Jones
Jehu Chesson

TE
Travis Kelce
Demetrius Harris
Ross Travis

OT
Eric Fisher
Mitchell Schwartz
Kyle Murphy
Cameron Erving

OG
LDT
Zach Fulton
Christian Westerman

OC
Mitch Morse

Defense (25)

DE
Allen Bailey
Tanoh Kpassagnon
Rakeem Nunez-Rochez
Jarvis Jenkins

NT
Bennie Logan
Andrew Billings

OLB
Justin Houston
Tamba Hali
Dee Ford
Keion Adams

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Myles Jack
Reggie Ragland
Kevin Pierre-Louis
Ukeme Eligwe

CB
Marcus Peters
Phillip Gaines
Steven Nelson
KeiVarae Russell
Kenneth Acker
Terrance Mitchell

S
Eric Berry
Ron Parker
K.J. Dillon
Daniel Sorensen

Specialists (3)

K
Cairos Santos

P
Dustin Colquitt

LS
James Winchester